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BRIGGS
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2/26/2016  11:17 AM
Id take

Denzell Valentine at 10

Hope to get Grayson Allen at lets say 18

and would pursue BOTH Bryn Forbes and Kay Felder in rd 2 even giving up Willy G.

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2/26/2016  11:33 AM
BRIGGS wrote:Id take

Denzell Valentine at 10

Hope to get Grayson Allen at lets say 18

and would pursue BOTH Bryn Forbes and Kay Felder in rd 2 even giving up Willy G.

Valentine would be a must. Allen, Baldwin, or Hield as well(Hield unlikely to drop to 10 though.) We need to load up with shooters and back court pieces and hope to strike gold with one of them.
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2/26/2016  11:37 AM
Knixkik wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Id take

Denzell Valentine at 10

Hope to get Grayson Allen at lets say 18

and would pursue BOTH Bryn Forbes and Kay Felder in rd 2 even giving up Willy G.

Valentine would be a must. Allen, Baldwin, or Hield as well(Hield unlikely to drop to 10 though.) We need to load up with shooters and back court pieces and hope to strike gold with one of them.

With Lopez Kristaps and Oquinn we have the big guys--we can fit a few subs around them for cheap. But we need a full rebuild with guards. I dont want to just spend my cap money---I want a plan in place first--then see what makes sense.

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2/26/2016  11:45 AM
Definetly need some young guards. Grant can still be good if they ever decide to use him correctly
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2/26/2016  11:48 AM
I'm not trading Melo for two mid to late first round picks- atrocious negotiating.
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2/26/2016  11:49 AM
No to Grayson Allen. Don't need anymore dirtbags on the team.
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2/26/2016  11:50 AM
smackeddog wrote:I'm not trading Melo for two mid to late first round picks- atrocious negotiating.
you arent gonna get a huge haul at this point. He is almost 32, with knee issues, and a huge contract. Id be happy with a couple firsts and the cap space
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2/26/2016  11:53 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/26/2016  12:00 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:I'm not trading Melo for two mid to late first round picks- atrocious negotiating.
you arent gonna get a huge haul at this point. He is almost 32, with knee issues, and a huge contract. Id be happy with a couple firsts and the cap space

This is why I'm glad you won't be negotiating the deal

50 year old Garnet and Pierce landed basically 3 unprotected first rounders. Melo's contract becomes more reasonable after the cap boom. Only these boards regard 32 as old in the nba
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2/26/2016  11:55 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/26/2016  11:57 AM
smackeddog wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:I'm not trading Melo for two mid to late first round picks- atrocious negotiating.
you arent gonna get a huge haul at this point. He is almost 32, with knee issues, and a huge contract. Id be happy with a couple firsts and the cap space

This is why I'm glad you won't be negotiating the deal

that was just part of the trade dude. I was gonna add more..so you jumped the gun criticizing me. Keep in mind the nets were too stupid and desperate
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2/26/2016  12:09 PM
smackeddog wrote:I'm not trading Melo for two mid to late first round picks- atrocious negotiating.

Well I'd like to get higher picks but I'm not sure I want other players anyway. I don't see teams giving up pick 2 or something? But you ask for as much as possible
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2/26/2016  12:18 PM
smackeddog wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:I'm not trading Melo for two mid to late first round picks- atrocious negotiating.
you arent gonna get a huge haul at this point. He is almost 32, with knee issues, and a huge contract. Id be happy with a couple firsts and the cap space

This is why I'm glad you won't be negotiating the deal

50 year old Garnet and Pierce landed basically 3 unprotected first rounders. Melo's contract becomes more reasonable after the cap boom. Only these boards regard 32 as old in the nba

I don't think Billy King works in the NBA anymore though. Hard to find suckers nowadays.
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2/26/2016  12:20 PM
smackeddog wrote:I'm not trading Melo for two mid to late first round picks- atrocious negotiating.

Completely agree. I treat this thread as just a hypothetical, value of Melo aside. But if Melo waives his NTC and Boston wants to get involved, i am asking for both the Nets pick and the Dallas pick.
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2/26/2016  12:21 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/26/2016  12:23 PM
smackeddog wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:I'm not trading Melo for two mid to late first round picks- atrocious negotiating.
you arent gonna get a huge haul at this point. He is almost 32, with knee issues, and a huge contract. Id be happy with a couple firsts and the cap space

This is why I'm glad you won't be negotiating the deal

50 year old Garnet and Pierce landed basically 3 unprotected first rounders. Melo's contract becomes more reasonable after the cap boom. Only these boards regard 32 as old in the nba

Yeah, Ray Allen was traded to the Celtics for a lotto pick at 32. Just saying. Never underestimate GM's making bad deals. We're Knicks fans we should know this. I think it's possible we get a decent package for Carmelo. When the cap rises his contract won't be a big deal and as a 2nd or 3rd star on a contender he could be the missing piece. Especially with the new found emphasis on passing etc.
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2/26/2016  12:26 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:I'm not trading Melo for two mid to late first round picks- atrocious negotiating.
you arent gonna get a huge haul at this point. He is almost 32, with knee issues, and a huge contract. Id be happy with a couple firsts and the cap space

This is why I'm glad you won't be negotiating the deal

50 year old Garnet and Pierce landed basically 3 unprotected first rounders. Melo's contract becomes more reasonable after the cap boom. Only these boards regard 32 as old in the nba

I don't think Billy King works in the NBA anymore though. Hard to find suckers nowadays.

Ainge was ready to give up the farm (4 draft picks) to move up for Winslow. Not saying he's a sucker, he's a great GM, but if a team gets fixated on a guy, they will overpay. Negotiating is about timing and opportunity. Let's say Cleveland can't put it together this post season. They will naturally try to move Love and Melo would be a logical choice. Not saying he's the answer there, but with LeBron's influence and their desperation, they will move Love and additional compensation to get Melo. Love can likely be sent to Celtics, who are dying for a #1 guy, for their 2 best draft picks (definitely the Nets pick, plus either the Dallas or Boston pick). This is all very realistic. So you can't think of these opportunities as finding a sucker, it's about right place right time.
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2/26/2016  12:30 PM
Knixkik wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:I'm not trading Melo for two mid to late first round picks- atrocious negotiating.
you arent gonna get a huge haul at this point. He is almost 32, with knee issues, and a huge contract. Id be happy with a couple firsts and the cap space

This is why I'm glad you won't be negotiating the deal

50 year old Garnet and Pierce landed basically 3 unprotected first rounders. Melo's contract becomes more reasonable after the cap boom. Only these boards regard 32 as old in the nba

I don't think Billy King works in the NBA anymore though. Hard to find suckers nowadays.

Ainge was ready to give up the farm (4 draft picks) to move up for Winslow. Not saying he's a sucker, he's a great GM, but if a team gets fixated on a guy, they will overpay. Negotiating is about timing and opportunity. Let's say Cleveland can't put it together this post season. They will naturally try to move Love and Melo would be a logical choice. Not saying he's the answer there, but with LeBron's influence and their desperation, they will move Love and additional compensation to get Melo. Love can likely be sent to Celtics, who are dying for a #1 guy, for their 2 best draft picks (definitely the Nets pick, plus either the Dallas or Boston pick). This is all very realistic. So you can't think of these opportunities as finding a sucker, it's about right place right time.

You got a point. Any contending team desperate for that last piece may consider it. I'm all about the right package of picks if it comes to a trade for Melo, my main concern is worry of major injury happening and his trade value getting severely compromised.
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2/26/2016  12:33 PM
Knixkik wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:I'm not trading Melo for two mid to late first round picks- atrocious negotiating.
you arent gonna get a huge haul at this point. He is almost 32, with knee issues, and a huge contract. Id be happy with a couple firsts and the cap space

This is why I'm glad you won't be negotiating the deal

50 year old Garnet and Pierce landed basically 3 unprotected first rounders. Melo's contract becomes more reasonable after the cap boom. Only these boards regard 32 as old in the nba

I don't think Billy King works in the NBA anymore though. Hard to find suckers nowadays.

Ainge was ready to give up the farm (4 draft picks) to move up for Winslow. Not saying he's a sucker, he's a great GM, but if a team gets fixated on a guy, they will overpay. Negotiating is about timing and opportunity. Let's say Cleveland can't put it together this post season. They will naturally try to move Love and Melo would be a logical choice. Not saying he's the answer there, but with LeBron's influence and their desperation, they will move Love and additional compensation to get Melo. Love can likely be sent to Celtics, who are dying for a #1 guy, for their 2 best draft picks (definitely the Nets pick, plus either the Dallas or Boston pick). This is all very realistic. So you can't think of these opportunities as finding a sucker, it's about right place right time.

LAC for Blake would be another opportunity. They were 1 game away from advancing to Conference Finals and if they fluff out again, they will be ready for change IMHO

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2/26/2016  12:52 PM
I think that Melo still can get a high pick in return ala KLove.

The problem is that the longer this takes the less we get.

Phil has missed the boat in so many ways though its sacrilegious to go there.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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2/26/2016  12:56 PM
mreinman wrote:I think that Melo still can get a high pick in return ala KLove.

The problem is that the longer this takes the less we get.

Phil has missed the boat in so many ways though its sacrilegious to go there.

i agree. However in fairness to phil he is kinda handcuffed with the NTC. Also i still believe dolan played a huge part in the terms resigning. But i agree we arent gonna get nearly as much as we gave
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2/26/2016  1:04 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:I'm not trading Melo for two mid to late first round picks- atrocious negotiating.
you arent gonna get a huge haul at this point. He is almost 32, with knee issues, and a huge contract. Id be happy with a couple firsts and the cap space

This is why I'm glad you won't be negotiating the deal

50 year old Garnet and Pierce landed basically 3 unprotected first rounders. Melo's contract becomes more reasonable after the cap boom. Only these boards regard 32 as old in the nba

I don't think Billy King works in the NBA anymore though. Hard to find suckers nowadays.

Ainge was ready to give up the farm (4 draft picks) to move up for Winslow. Not saying he's a sucker, he's a great GM, but if a team gets fixated on a guy, they will overpay. Negotiating is about timing and opportunity. Let's say Cleveland can't put it together this post season. They will naturally try to move Love and Melo would be a logical choice. Not saying he's the answer there, but with LeBron's influence and their desperation, they will move Love and additional compensation to get Melo. Love can likely be sent to Celtics, who are dying for a #1 guy, for their 2 best draft picks (definitely the Nets pick, plus either the Dallas or Boston pick). This is all very realistic. So you can't think of these opportunities as finding a sucker, it's about right place right time.

You got a point. Any contending team desperate for that last piece may consider it. I'm all about the right package of picks if it comes to a trade for Melo, my main concern is worry of major injury happening and his trade value getting severely compromised.

That's always a concern with any player, not just Melo. It is the chance you take.
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2/26/2016  1:09 PM
didn't we already try this with Wilson and Danilo?
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