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crzymdups
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It feels like the franchise is at a definite crossroads. The Fisher firing means that a lot of the progress of this season is called somewhat into question.

Personally my top choice would be to hire the best coach available, regardless of Triangle - maybe retain Rambis as an assistant to imbue Triangularity to the offense, but hire the best damn coach. There's no such thing as a Triangle defense and Thibs is the best defensive coach in the league. We have a young defensive superstar in KP - imagine how dominant our team defense could be?

My ideal would be to keep Melo, sign Thibs, sign Conley. Add a few more pieces here and there, particularly at SG.

I honestly think if we're going to keep tinkering with the Triangle and a coach with a career 20% winning percentage we might as well trade Melo.

What say y'all?

Win now, ditch Triangle - keep Melo, hire Thibs, try like hell to add Conley this summer
Full rebuild - trade Melo for young players and picks, keep trying to find a young coach to make the triangle work
Current mode - keep Melo, keep triangle stuff, hope for free agency pieces to add to Triangle and current roster
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jrodmc
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2/11/2016  3:02 PM
Other; keep Melo (we have no choice), sign the best coach available, keep Philangle-ing offensively and find some folks who can defend the effing three point line.
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Knixkik
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2/11/2016  3:06 PM
I don't understand what the crossroads is. We won 17 games last season, and we have dramatically improved. We won't make the playoffs, but are going to win at least twice the games we won last season. That is more progress than most teams can hope for year over year. Next year, the goal will be playoffs. The year after that, the goal will be deep playoff run. This is how things work. We were not going to transform overnight. Overhauling again is a waste. You stay the course, be happy that you are improving, and continue to build. No knee-jerk roster overhauls based on the last 10 games results. Before that we were a .500 team, one of the biggest surprise teams in the league. Now we came back down to earth a little bit, with injuries playing a big part in that. I think it is time to just relax and be realistic about what this team is compared to last season, and how far we have come.
Knicks1969
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2/11/2016  3:23 PM
I don't know why anyone think Thib is a great coach. What the hell has he won? Last I heard is that he overworked his players, and doesn't get along with frog office. I prefer Jackson who happens to have a much better track record
Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
ChuckBuck
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2/11/2016  4:53 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:I don't know why anyone think Thib is a great coach. What the hell has he won? Last I heard is that he overworked his players, and doesn't get along with frog office. I prefer Jackson who happens to have a much better track record

Jackson is Fisher-man part 2 without the "Mister Steal Yo Girl"-ing. All preacher man, no X and O's.

nixluva
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2/11/2016  4:58 PM
I still have some faith in Rambis to get things straightened out. I liked a lot of what I saw in his 1st game and I suspect when he has some practice time with the team he'll be able to really drill down on the areas that need to be tightened up. I like what he has in mind for KP and it already looked pretty good with only one practice.

If Phil can bring in any kind of guard help that could be just enough to get over the top. This team is not as far off as it might seem IMO. They can compete with other teams but not if we rely so much on Jose, Sasha, AA etc.

crzymdups
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2/11/2016  4:58 PM
Knixkik wrote:I don't understand what the crossroads is. We won 17 games last season, and we have dramatically improved. We won't make the playoffs, but are going to win at least twice the games we won last season. That is more progress than most teams can hope for year over year. Next year, the goal will be playoffs. The year after that, the goal will be deep playoff run. This is how things work. We were not going to transform overnight. Overhauling again is a waste. You stay the course, be happy that you are improving, and continue to build. No knee-jerk roster overhauls based on the last 10 games results. Before that we were a .500 team, one of the biggest surprise teams in the league. Now we came back down to earth a little bit, with injuries playing a big part in that. I think it is time to just relax and be realistic about what this team is compared to last season, and how far we have come.

It's a crossroads because the Fisher firing is a major setback to the supposed culture Phil was trying to build here - both with high character individuals and with the Triangle.

It's a crossroads because no one really believes Rambis is the best coach to go forward with and we have to pick a new path forward.

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ChuckBuck
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2/11/2016  5:04 PM
If Phil at least interviews Thibs, I have total and complete faith the marriage of Phil and Thibs can get it done.

If he totally bypasses Thibs and just interviews the likes of Walton and Shaw or other unproven Triangle disciples, I think I'm off the Phil triangle train. He'll be in LA's front office with Jeanie in no time flat.

crzymdups
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2/11/2016  5:10 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:If Phil at least interviews Thibs, I have total and complete faith the marriage of Phil and Thibs can get it done.

If he totally bypasses Thibs and just interviews the likes of Walton and Shaw or other unproven Triangle disciples, I think I'm off the Phil triangle train. He'll be in LA's front office with Jeanie in no time flat.

This is sort of where I'm at. If he doesn't even consider Thibs, he needs to go.

Phil says he wants a system coach - Thibs is a system coach. Not the same exact system, but he ran Triangle sets in some of what Chicago did.

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2/11/2016  5:14 PM
The road is long, with many a winding turn......
Knicks1969
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2/11/2016  5:18 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:I don't know why anyone think Thib is a great coach. What the hell has he won? Last I heard is that he overworked his players, and doesn't get along with frog office. I prefer Jackson who happens to have a much better track record

Jackson is Fisher-man part 2 without the "Mister Steal Yo Girl"-ing. All preacher man, no X and O's.

What was his record with the warriors??

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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2/11/2016  5:32 PM
GustavBahler wrote:The road is long, with many a winding turn......

FILLED WITH POT HOLES AND FORKS EVEN SOME SPOONS, BUT ITS HOW U NAVIGATE IT. I HONESTLY THINK WE WILL BE OK. IF DOLAN AND ISIAH WERE CONSPIRING MAYBE BUT PHIL DOESNT MAKE TO MANY HASTY HALF ASS DECISIONS

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2/11/2016  5:35 PM
dacash wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:The road is long, with many a winding turn......

FILLED WITH POT HOLES AND FORKS EVEN SOME SPOONS, BUT ITS HOW U NAVIGATE IT. I HONESTLY THINK WE WILL BE OK. IF DOLAN AND ISIAH WERE CONSPIRING MAYBE BUT PHIL DOESNT MAKE TO MANY HASTY HALF ASS DECISIONS

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2/11/2016  5:52 PM
GustavBahler wrote:The road is long, with many a winding turn......

...That leads us to who knows where
Who knows where

But I'm strong
Strong enough to carry him
He ain't heavy, he's my brother

So on we go
His welfare is of my concern
No burden is he to bear
We'll get there

For I know
He would not encumber me
He ain't heavy, he's my brother

If I'm laden at all
I'm laden with sadness
That everyone's heart
Isn't filled with the gladness
Of love for one another

It's a long, long road
From which there is no return
While we're on the way to there
Why not share

And the load
Doesn't weigh me down at all
He ain't heavy he's my brother

He's my brother
He ain't heavy, he's my brother
He ain't heavy, he's my brother

Read more: Hollies - He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother Lyrics | MetroLyrics

EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
nixluva
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2/11/2016  6:13 PM
crzymdups wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:If Phil at least interviews Thibs, I have total and complete faith the marriage of Phil and Thibs can get it done.

If he totally bypasses Thibs and just interviews the likes of Walton and Shaw or other unproven Triangle disciples, I think I'm off the Phil triangle train. He'll be in LA's front office with Jeanie in no time flat.

This is sort of where I'm at. If he doesn't even consider Thibs, he needs to go.

Phil says he wants a system coach - Thibs is a system coach. Not the same exact system, but he ran Triangle sets in some of what Chicago did.


I don't think Phil has any problem with Thibs. He just wants to give Rambis a shot and didn't want to suggest that he's actively looking for another head coach right this moment while Rambis is trying to prove he's the man for the job. I believe Phil would sit with Thibs if Rambis is a disaster.
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2/11/2016  6:18 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/11/2016  6:20 PM
nixluva wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:If Phil at least interviews Thibs, I have total and complete faith the marriage of Phil and Thibs can get it done.

If he totally bypasses Thibs and just interviews the likes of Walton and Shaw or other unproven Triangle disciples, I think I'm off the Phil triangle train. He'll be in LA's front office with Jeanie in no time flat.

This is sort of where I'm at. If he doesn't even consider Thibs, he needs to go.

Phil says he wants a system coach - Thibs is a system coach. Not the same exact system, but he ran Triangle sets in some of what Chicago did.


I don't think Phil has any problem with Thibs. He just wants to give Rambis a shot and didn't want to suggest that he's actively looking for another head coach right this moment while Rambis is trying to prove he's the man for the job. I believe Phil would sit with Thibs if Rambis is a disaster.

Rambis's coaching record is 54-146 for a .270 winning percentage in 200 games coached.

Thibodeau's coaching record is 255-139 for .647 winning percentage in almost 400 games coached.

So basically if Rambis were to win his next 200 games in a row as a coach - he would not have as good a record as Thibodeau. Think about that for a second.

Slightly different situations, but one of the things touted about Phil's record is his winning percentage. So can he recognize a successful coach and see eye to eye. Hasn't Phil always emphasized defense? Thibs is one of the top defensive minds in the sport.

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nixluva
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2/11/2016  6:37 PM
crzymdups wrote:
nixluva wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:If Phil at least interviews Thibs, I have total and complete faith the marriage of Phil and Thibs can get it done.

If he totally bypasses Thibs and just interviews the likes of Walton and Shaw or other unproven Triangle disciples, I think I'm off the Phil triangle train. He'll be in LA's front office with Jeanie in no time flat.

This is sort of where I'm at. If he doesn't even consider Thibs, he needs to go.

Phil says he wants a system coach - Thibs is a system coach. Not the same exact system, but he ran Triangle sets in some of what Chicago did.


I don't think Phil has any problem with Thibs. He just wants to give Rambis a shot and didn't want to suggest that he's actively looking for another head coach right this moment while Rambis is trying to prove he's the man for the job. I believe Phil would sit with Thibs if Rambis is a disaster.

Rambis's coaching record is 54-146 for a .270 winning percentage in 200 games coached.

Thibodeau's coaching record is 255-139 for .647 winning percentage in almost 400 games coached.

So basically if Rambis were to win his next 200 games in a row as a coach - he would not have as good a record as Thibodeau. Think about that for a second.

Slightly different situations, but one of the things touted about Phil's record is his winning percentage. So can he recognize a successful coach and see eye to eye. Hasn't Phil always emphasized defense? Thibs is one of the top defensive minds in the sport.


Rambis had literally nothing to work with and I wouldn't base everything off his previous coaching record. We all know Thibs is a good coach but Rambis took over as Phil's Defensive Coach in 2008. They improved defensively and he won 2 Title's with Rambis as the defensive coach, so I wouldn't assume he can't coach defense as well.
GustavBahler
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2/11/2016  8:30 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:The road is long, with many a winding turn......

...That leads us to who knows where
Who knows where

But I'm strong
Strong enough to carry him
He ain't heavy, he's my brother

So on we go
His welfare is of my concern
No burden is he to bear
We'll get there

For I know
He would not encumber me
He ain't heavy, he's my brother

If I'm laden at all
I'm laden with sadness
That everyone's heart
Isn't filled with the gladness
Of love for one another

It's a long, long road
From which there is no return
While we're on the way to there
Why not share

And the load
Doesn't weigh me down at all
He ain't heavy he's my brother

He's my brother
He ain't heavy, he's my brother
He ain't heavy, he's my brother

Read more: Hollies - He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother Lyrics | MetroLyrics


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martin
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2/11/2016  8:53 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:The road is long, with many a winding turn......

...That leads us to who knows where
Who knows where

But I'm strong
Strong enough to carry him
He ain't heavy, he's my brother

So on we go
His welfare is of my concern
No burden is he to bear
We'll get there

For I know
He would not encumber me
He ain't heavy, he's my brother

If I'm laden at all
I'm laden with sadness
That everyone's heart
Isn't filled with the gladness
Of love for one another

It's a long, long road
From which there is no return
While we're on the way to there
Why not share

And the load
Doesn't weigh me down at all
He ain't heavy he's my brother

He's my brother
He ain't heavy, he's my brother
He ain't heavy, he's my brother

Read more: Hollies - He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother Lyrics | MetroLyrics


My favorite version...

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Paris907
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2/11/2016  9:36 PM
Choice D. Trade Melo and Calderon for either Rose and Portis OR Griffin and Stephenson, Hire Tibs. The other 3 way team Melo trade works as well as we would have credible backcourt that's young and OTTO.' With Melo out and the team younger without bad knees, Tibs could build a defensive squad and have an offensive coordinator to do the triable thing.
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2/11/2016  9:40 PM
Yo **** Conley that is all
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