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2/9/2016  10:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/9/2016  11:05 PM
We started slow once again, but it is because of our slow none-PG, and the slow footed Rolo. Our rotation was tighter, and we looked a lot better when Jose is not on the floor. I know the usual suspects are going to get on me, but I care less. Jose is not starting material, and I have been saying that all year. We can't afford to have him in the back court with Aflalo. We need to either trade or bring a capable PG from the Dleague, or stretch Jose out
Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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2/9/2016  10:53 PM
Well this game should add further proof of the need to replace Jose but I don't think Gallo is the answer either. I'm sure Phil is looking for someone better than Jose or Gallo. It doesn't make any sense otherwise. It has to be a clear upgrade over what we already have.
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2/9/2016  10:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/9/2016  10:59 PM
nixluva wrote:Well this game should add further proof of the need to replace Jose but I don't think Gallo is the answer either. I'm sure Phil is looking for someone better than Jose or Gallo. It doesn't make any sense otherwise. It has to be a clear upgrade over what we already have.

Rolo, Jose and Lance/Seraphin for MCW, Monroe, and a pick. We are not getting anything what so ever from Jose; What we can get from Monroe and MCW will benefit the Knicks. RoLo is not the much better than Monroe. The offense will certainly be quicker, but what we will get defensively from MCW will cancel out the little defense we would miss from RoLo

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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2/9/2016  10:59 PM
Tighter rotations.
More consistent offensive schemes.

Had Fish done this all season, we'd still not be a playoff team, but we'd be 3-4 wins better. That's all it is about. We should have finished this season out winning 38-42 games, and will likely fall 5-6 wins short of that.

I'm not expecting this team to win more than 10 games the rest of the season. However, so long as they execute consistently, I'll be happy. Many of these guys will be back next year with the same system and being young they can improve. Porzingis is 20, Galloway is 24, Williams is 24 and Seraphin is 26. Considering we have Grant as well, that's 5 guys that need the rest of these games to get some much needed playing time and understanding of what they need to do to keep getting better in the system.

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2/10/2016  1:37 AM
nyknickzingis wrote:Tighter rotations.
More consistent offensive schemes.

Had Fish done this all season, we'd still not be a playoff team, but we'd be 3-4 wins better. That's all it is about. We should have finished this season out winning 38-42 games, and will likely fall 5-6 wins short of that.

I'm not expecting this team to win more than 10 games the rest of the season. However, so long as they execute consistently, I'll be happy. Many of these guys will be back next year with the same system and being young they can improve. Porzingis is 20, Galloway is 24, Williams is 24 and Seraphin is 26. Considering we have Grant as well, that's 5 guys that need the rest of these games to get some much needed playing time and understanding of what they need to do to keep getting better in the system.

Things will look different with some rest and then preparation and hopefully and decent addition to the roster. I still believe this team can get back to playing well.

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2/10/2016  9:42 AM
nixluva wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:Tighter rotations.
More consistent offensive schemes.

Had Fish done this all season, we'd still not be a playoff team, but we'd be 3-4 wins better. That's all it is about. We should have finished this season out winning 38-42 games, and will likely fall 5-6 wins short of that.

I'm not expecting this team to win more than 10 games the rest of the season. However, so long as they execute consistently, I'll be happy. Many of these guys will be back next year with the same system and being young they can improve. Porzingis is 20, Galloway is 24, Williams is 24 and Seraphin is 26. Considering we have Grant as well, that's 5 guys that need the rest of these games to get some much needed playing time and understanding of what they need to do to keep getting better in the system.

Things will look different with some rest and then preparation and hopefully and decent addition to the roster. I still believe this team can get back to playing well.

I think so too. I believe we should definitely pull the trigger on a deal with the Bucks. I like Rolo, but I don't see anything he does that Monroe can't do. Monroe is much quicker with his decisions to attack the basket on offense and is a much better rebounder. He can space the floor with the range of his shots and is a good passer. MCW is not a good shooter and we all know that, but he is not slow and as terrible of a defender as Jose. I don't see why some are this reluctant when it comes to the two. Financially it makes sense, and talent wise we would be gaining. If we can coerce them to give us a pick, it would be even sweeter

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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2/10/2016  9:47 AM
I though Rambis called a professional game last night. He was sharp all night. I loved his rotations. We actually ran a few new sets out there. Sucks cuz I was trying to give Fisher a chance but there is a difference between a guy winging it and a guy that is a seasoned professional. I was happy the entire game from that aspect.
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2/10/2016  9:51 AM
EnySpree wrote:I though Rambis called a professional game last night. He was sharp all night. I loved his rotations. We actually ran a few new sets out there. Sucks cuz I was trying to give Fisher a chance but there is a difference between a guy winging it and a guy that is a seasoned professional. I was happy the entire game from that aspect.

Rambis did well. He was succinct with his message in the huddle. But his choice to ride Jose was questionable to me. However, he did say that he recognizes that Nose is an issue

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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2/10/2016  9:55 AM
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EnySpree wrote:I though Rambis called a professional game last night. He was sharp all night. I loved his rotations. We actually ran a few new sets out there. Sucks cuz I was trying to give Fisher a chance but there is a difference between a guy winging it and a guy that is a seasoned professional. I was happy the entire game from that aspect.

Rambis did well. He was succinct with his message in the huddle. But his choice to ride Jose was questionable to me. However, he did say that he recognizes that Nose is an iss


The problem is if he doesn't have Jose, he has no one to organize the offense. Calderon is the floor general. Galloway is 24, has about 1 year of NBA experience and isn't even a natural PG. Jose is the only PG we have on the roster that has NBA level experience. His defense sucks, he is awful when he doesn't hit his shots, but he is the guy telling guys where to go. This was Fisher's job on the Lakers, and Fisher's stats and production often sucked. The difference was the talent. Fish played with a star backcourt player, in Kobe. Jose plays with Afflalo.

So we either have to massively upgrade the SG position with a star shooting guard who can score 15-20 points a night as well as pass, or we have to massively upgrade the point guard position with a player that is a bigger scoring threat, better at pushing the ball up and better at defending.

Ideally next season we come back with 2 new starters in the backcourt. Won't be easy to accomplish this.

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2/10/2016  10:25 AM
We have to play Jose.... no getting around it. We can't get rid of him until the Knicks can get a better option from a physical standpoint.

Something will give. In Phil we trust

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2/10/2016  10:27 AM
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Knicks1969 wrote:
EnySpree wrote:I though Rambis called a professional game last night. He was sharp all night. I loved his rotations. We actually ran a few new sets out there. Sucks cuz I was trying to give Fisher a chance but there is a difference between a guy winging it and a guy that is a seasoned professional. I was happy the entire game from that aspect.

Rambis did well. He was succinct with his message in the huddle. But his choice to ride Jose was questionable to me. However, he did say that he recognizes that Nose is an iss


The problem is if he doesn't have Jose, he has no one to organize the offense. Calderon is the floor general. Galloway is 24, has about 1 year of NBA experience and isn't even a natural PG. Jose is the only PG we have on the roster that has NBA level experience. His defense sucks, he is awful when he doesn't hit his shots, but he is the guy telling guys where to go. This was Fisher's job on the Lakers, and Fisher's stats and production often sucked. The difference was the talent. Fish played with a star backcourt player, in Kobe. Jose plays with Afflalo.

So we either have to massively upgrade the SG position with a star shooting guard who can score 15-20 points a night as well as pass, or we have to massively upgrade the point guard position with a player that is a bigger scoring threat, better at pushing the ball up and better at defending.

Ideally next season we come back with 2 new starters in the backcourt. Won't be easy to accomplish this.

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2/10/2016  10:28 AM
EnySpree wrote:We have to play Jose.... no getting around it. We can't get rid of him until the Knicks can get a better option from a physical standpoint.

Something will give. In Phil we trust

I think we can win without Jose if we properly use our roster

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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2/10/2016  10:28 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/10/2016  10:44 AM
Post Fisher, to me, needs to involve the following:

• More Seraphin. Last night was a good start.

• Afflalo needs to get 15+ shots up at the basket every game. Needs to be established as a primary scorer along with Melo. He's fully capable of shooting his way out of this mini slump that he's been in. A fully engaged Afflalo on the offensive end only helps us imo.

• KP needs to get the ball primarily 15' and in. We need to devise schemes to get him open in this range -- and if there really isn't any play calling in this system, then the support players need to be patient and wait for the play to develop where he can get the ball in this range with a chance to score (same goes for Afflalo). Maybe this is part of the problem with this system -- maybe certain guys' numbers need to be called more... I'm OK with KP taking 3s as long as the looks are clean and he's in rhythm/comes in the flow but I don't want him camped out behind the arc and don't want him making decisions with the ball too far away from the goal. I think KP's in his office in the mid-range. We want him in his office, esp. when teams put smaller defenders on him--that needs to be counteracted immediately. I don't want him putting the ball on the floor 20-25' from the basket.

After that, Phil needs to be aggressive and do whatever's necessary to improve the guard play. The most realistic option involves acquiring and then actually playing one or two of the many talented DL guards that are out there. Acquiring a guy like Russ Smith and then never playing him does nothing for us. Bring one or two guys like this in here, get them up to speed and play them! Sorry if Jose/Sasha/Galloway's feelings get hurt. We're losing games because these 3 aren't any good.

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2/10/2016  10:39 AM
slow starts? We have to change the starting line up - something has to be tried.

Flame suit on - but:

I think I'd move Porzingas to the bench, with with Melo at the 4- maybe also send Calderon to the bench and go with Gallo & add Lance.

Then sub in Porzingas at the 5. Jose is my first guard off the bench and D Williams is my other sub.

Go with those 8, maybe with a touch of Grant & Seraphin/KOQ.

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2/10/2016  10:41 AM
Most of the game Rolo was battling two bigs alone under the boards and having to cover for a swiss cheese backcourt defense. We havent had a veteran big man in more than a decade as good as Lopez but some of you focus a lot more on his weaknesses than his strengths. Without Lopez in the paint we would be close to the same team we were last season, have no doubt about that.

We get a starting PG who can defend and penetrate and this team will be in very good shape.

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2/10/2016  10:48 AM
GustavBahler wrote:Most of the game Rolo was battling two bigs alone under the boards and having to cover for a swiss cheese backcourt defense. We havent had a veteran big man in more than a decade as good as Lopez but some of you focus a lot more on his weaknesses than his strengths. Without Lopez in the paint we would be close to the same team we were last season, have no doubt about that.

We get a starting PG who can defend and penetrate and this team will be in very good shape.

Those are fair points, Gus. I'm guilty with Lopez--I was talking about how slow and methodical he is with everything on the game thread last night but the dude really is a rock for us inside. He does a nice job overall, there's no doubt.

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2/10/2016  10:48 AM
For me last night was frustrating only from the standpoint that our guard situation is so bad! I think we're really good everywhere else right now. But the GUARDS??? Gallo is making progress and you can see he cares. Jose, AA and Sasha? They just don't match up with other NBA GUARDS!

Sometimes AA is at least a legit scorer but lacking in all other areas. Jose n Sasha should be low minute reserves at this point. Jerian is just not ready and that really hurt this year. It's clear they expected more from Jerian.
I still have some hope he can find his game. Maybe the break will give Rambis a chance to work with him cuz we need something from him.

Can Phil get a deal done? If not will he find guard help in the DL or a FA like Wroten? I'm willing to take a chance on a little of both. Just can't take watching what we have at this point. The Deadline can't come quick enough for me!

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2/10/2016  10:51 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/10/2016  10:51 AM
If want to avoid slow starts, may need an energizer off the bench to start right away.
To me the more obvious choice is to start Galloway at 2, and bring Afflalo in the 6th man role.
Afflalo can then pretty much play out the entire rest of the half when he comes in.

Of all the starters, I know this was early in the season, our record is least affected when Afflalo has been out. We were 4-4 with Sasha starting in place of him. And Sasha is not a starting 2, it just shows we won half of our games without Afflalo. In contrast when Melo is out we are 0-7. When Calderon was out we really lost our way on offense it was clear. When KP is out we can see the loss as well.

Afflalo hasn't made a big difference to our team on offense or defense. He can get real hot and score big, and he's been given tons of isolations under Fisher, but looks like that will change with Rambis. I like Afflalo as a bench player. A guy that can be the man on the 2nd unit. That's his role on a good basketball team. Longterm if we keep him (beyond this year) we should definitely move him to the bench.

Now that doesn't mean I think the Galloway/Calderon lineup will be great, but I could see them do better starts. More energy. More speed. More balance of passing/shooting. The type of team we are, we want players who are just as good a threat to shoot as they are to pass.

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2/10/2016  10:59 AM
The slow start falls squarely on Jose and RoLo. Entry passes are very slow, and when the ball reaches Rolo, he takes at least 6 seconds to finally take a shot. Think about it, Jose takes 6 seconds just to bring the ball past midcourt; trust me, I time him every game. Add the extra 6 seconds it takes RoLo to get into his move, all that equals to slow start
Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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2/10/2016  10:59 AM
Finestrg wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Most of the game Rolo was battling two bigs alone under the boards and having to cover for a swiss cheese backcourt defense. We havent had a veteran big man in more than a decade as good as Lopez but some of you focus a lot more on his weaknesses than his strengths. Without Lopez in the paint we would be close to the same team we were last season, have no doubt about that.

We get a starting PG who can defend and penetrate and this team will be in very good shape.

Those are fair points, Gus. I'm guilty with Lopez--I was talking about how slow and methodical he is with everything on the game thread last night but the dude really is a rock for us inside. He does a nice job overall, there's no doubt.

+1

Lopez can be frustrating to watch sometimes, but he solves more problems than he creates.

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