Point guards
R.Rondo--$10 million
B.Jennings--$10 million
G.Vasquez--$7 million
M.Chalmers--$7 million
N.Cole--$5 million
DJ Augustine--$4 million
R.Sessions--$4 million
J.Bayless--$3 million

Shooting guards
B.Beal--Not sure what he's gonna get paid so you tell me?
K.Bazemaore--$9 million
G.Henderson--$7 million
J.Crawford--$6 million
D.Waiters--$6 million
J.Dudley--$5 million

Small forwards
J.Green--$9 million
E.Turner--$5 million

Power forwards
R.Anderson--$10 million
E.Ilyasova--$9 million
Marvin Williams--$8 million
J.Noah--$8 million
N.Hilario--$7 million
T.Jones--$6 million

So you have $15 million to spend and remember we are bringing everyone back so D.Williams, L.Thomas, L.Galloway and A.Afflalo will be back. I wasn't gonna list any small forwards but the two i listed can come in for small ball and even play some at the SG spot if needed or when Melo is resting. I also don't think that K.Seraphin or L.Amundson will be back with us next season. I'm also not sure what B.Beal will be getting but i myself don't think he's a max guy so if you wanna predict what he's gonna get and use him as your signing then go ahead but not if you think he's a max guy. I left a lot of players off the list obviously and just added some of the bigger names that aren't gonna get maxed out so if you have any URFA you'd like to add then please do.

I will be honest if we don't trade Jose before the Deadline Chalmers would be the most realistic PG for the triangle available. Another perk to Chalmers is he might accept a 2 year deal which means the Knicks can still hunt for a superstar PG in 2017.

The reason I also chose Evan Turner is that he is the 2nd best point forward to Batum in this FA (aka a big SG)He could offensively provide that skillset to the triangle even if he isn't a great defender or shooter. If he can get a semi reliable 3 like D-Will he would get minutes with the second unit.

wargames wrote:Mario Chalmers and Evan Turner and then let the rest carry over.

I will be honest if we don't trade Jose before the Deadline Chalmers would be the most realistic PG for the triangle available. Another perk to Chalmers is he might accept a 2 year deal which means the Knicks can still hunt for a superstar PG in 2017.

The reason I also chose Evan Turner is that he is the 2nd best point forward to Batum in this FA (aka a big SG)He could offensively provide that skillset to the triangle even if he isn't a great defender or shooter. If he can get a semi reliable 3 like D-Will he would get minutes with the second unit.

Caseloads wrote:noah and beal are getting 17 mil per at least

I can see Beal getting that even though i don't think he's worth it and which is why i left his salary spot open but no way does J.Noah get $17 mil per.

wargames wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

wargames wrote:Mario Chalmers and Evan Turner and then let the rest carry over.

I will be honest if we don't trade Jose before the Deadline Chalmers would be the most realistic PG for the triangle available. Another perk to Chalmers is he might accept a 2 year deal which means the Knicks can still hunt for a superstar PG in 2017.

The reason I also chose Evan Turner is that he is the 2nd best point forward to Batum in this FA (aka a big SG)He could offensively provide that skillset to the triangle even if he isn't a great defender or shooter. If he can get a semi reliable 3 like D-Will he would get minutes with the second unit.

I like Chalmers but E.Turner is so inconsistent and we already have L.Thomas and D.Williams who both can play a combo forward for us. If we sign Chalmers to a two year contract then we won't be able to sign one of the PG's available in 2017 cause we'd have Chalmers signed for 2017 so we'd have to sign a PG on a one year contract for that. It would probably have to be J.Crawford who can play either guard spot.

Your right my math was wrong about Chalmers. Also I picked Turner as much to do with the 15 mil in cap space as anything Else. I would of preferred a Chalmers/Bazemore back court more than anything but it went above the 15 mil limit.

A little off topic but Batum has been injured for weeks now I don't think he gets a Max offer and might settle for around 15. Same for Beal. I have both guys around the 15 mil mark right now.

I really think the reason the knicks were interested in Teague was he comes off the cap in 2017. The same reason the Knicks legit might got after a SG (Batum, Beal, Bazemore) in 2016 and suffer through another year of Jose. Its such a good PG FA All Star PG's are going to be teams 4 and 5th options to chase.

Both Beal and Batum are injured a lot so to add anyone on a significant contract like 15/17 mil per would be tough for me cause we're already gonna be dealing with our top guy in Melo missing games. I'd rather have M.Conley over either of those two but this thread is more about if we re-sign DW, LT and AA then we're not gonna be able to afford a max guy or near max guy so this thread is about what do we do if we don't sign a max guy.

Knicks1969 wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:I'm gonna make a list of some of the players that are URFA's in the off season (no RFA's) that we could use and i'm gonna go by what they got paid last year to come up with what i think they deserve next year. I'm not gonna list any of the max guys or near max guys like Durant, Conley, Batum or Horford or others cause i just wanna see what kind of team we can put together if we added like 2 or 3 players instead of one max guy. I'm also gonna just assume that DW opts out and we re-sign LT and i'm gonna take $5 mil out of the projected $20 mil we're gonna have to divide between the two of them and i'm gonna assume that A.Afflalo will not opt out because i don't feel like he's worth any more than the $8 mil he's already guaranteed and if he does i'd have no problem letting him go and using that $8 mil elsewhere. I know all the numbers i listed might not be correct and some of the numbers i predict free agents will get might not be correct but just go with it.

Point guards
R.Rondo--$10 million
B.Jennings--$10 million
G.Vasquez--$7 million
M.Chalmers--$7 million
N.Cole--$5 million
DJ Augustine--$4 million
R.Sessions--$4 million
J.Bayless--$3 million

Shooting guards
B.Beal--Not sure what he's gonna get paid so you tell me?
K.Bazemaore--$9 million
G.Henderson--$7 million
J.Crawford--$6 million
D.Waiters--$6 million
J.Dudley--$5 million

Small forwards
J.Green--$9 million
E.Turner--$5 million

Power forwards
R.Anderson--$10 million
E.Ilyasova--$9 million
Marvin Williams--$8 million
J.Noah--$8 million
N.Hilario--$7 million
T.Jones--$6 million

So you have $15 million to spend and remember we are bringing everyone back so D.Williams, L.Thomas, L.Galloway and A.Afflalo will be back. I wasn't gonna list any small forwards but the two i listed can come in for small ball and even play some at the SG spot if needed or when Melo is resting. I also don't think that K.Seraphin or L.Amundson will be back with us next season. I'm also not sure what B.Beal will be getting but i myself don't think he's a max guy so if you wanna predict what he's gonna get and use him as your signing then go ahead but not if you think he's a max guy. I left a lot of players off the list obviously and just added some of the bigger names that aren't gonna get maxed out so if you have any URFA you'd like to add then please do.

You spend the money on Rondo and Noah and add a couple of pure shooters. Keep: DW,LANCE, GALLO

The only two FAs I like on that list are Noah and Ilyasova. Both have injury issues though. The best I would do is a 2yr deal with a team option on both of their deals.

The cap is going to ~$90M. Every team has space. I would multiply the salaries above by 1.5 or even 2 in some cases.

DeMarre Carroll got 4yrs/$60M in a $70M cap and he's 29 and had one good season. Bazemore is 26 - I think he'll get at least $15M per year, if not more.

I've said this a million times, but I would target Batum or Conley. Knicks can afford one of those guys. I'd take Conley, try to move Jose for a second round pick (remember every team will have cap room and Jose is a servicable point guard on a one year $7M deal - reasonable).

Knicks can go over the cap to give raises to Lance, Galloway, DWill, Afflalo - I'd look to keep most of those guys if the numbers are reasonable.

This might be the last time Knicks have big cap room to make a move for a while - I'd swing for the fences and try to get a borderline all-star like Batum or Conley. We need the talent, but we need that talent to fit our scheme. Both guys fit what we do really well.

Failing those two, I do like Bazemore - but do we really want to pay him $12-15M per year? That's what it's gonna take.

I like Jennings a lot, too. But that's $12M-$15M per, easy. And I'm not 100% sure he fits our team.

newyorker4ever wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Those salary numbers are all too low. They're based on maybe a $60M cap world. EVERY SINGLE TEAM WILL HAVE $20M or more in cap space.

The cap is going to ~$90M. Every team has space. I would multiply the salaries above by 1.5 or even 2 in some cases.

DeMarre Carroll got 4yrs/$60M in a $70M cap and he's 29 and had one good season. Bazemore is 26 - I think he'll get at least $15M per year, if not more.

I've said this a million times, but I would target Batum or Conley. Knicks can afford one of those guys. I'd take Conley, try to move Jose for a second round pick (remember every team will have cap room and Jose is a servicable point guard on a one year $7M deal - reasonable).

Knicks can go over the cap to give raises to Lance, Galloway, DWill, Afflalo - I'd look to keep most of those guys if the numbers are reasonable.

This might be the last time Knicks have big cap room to make a move for a while - I'd swing for the fences and try to get a borderline all-star like Batum or Conley. We need the talent, but we need that talent to fit our scheme. Both guys fit what we do really well.

Failing those two, I do like Bazemore - but do we really want to pay him $12-15M per year? That's what it's gonna take.

I like Jennings a lot, too. But that's $12M-$15M per, easy. And I'm not 100% sure he fits our team.

If Bazemore will get at least $15 mil then Conley or Batum would be worth more right?? If so then how would we sign one of them when we'll only have about $15 mil after we pay D.Williams and L.Thomas their pay raises which both will be getting and even A.Afflalo could be getting more if he opts out so your numbers aren't gonna work. Just because the cap is going up it doesn't mean all players will automatically be getting more money. That's just you assuming that that's gonna happen.

Its really hard to say where these guys will end up. In a normal year, Hell even last year I would say not one person in the 2016 FA outside of Durant deserved 18+ based on prior ability and future potential. Now though who really knows? Wes Matthews and Demarre Carroll got paid way to much and you still don't hear about those being bad deals.......

Damn near anyone could get hot post all star and into the playoffs and walk away with 10 - 20 mil deals.