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1/13/2016  11:47 PM
Through 22 games. That's pretty good seems to be rebounding well per minute as well. Maybe he is a version of scola?
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1/14/2016  1:14 AM
BRIGGS wrote:Through 22 games. That's pretty good seems to be rebounding well per minute as well. Maybe he is a version of scola?

Has he gotten much playing time? Anything more than 10MPG?

Just wondering, since someone around here had mentioned he wasn't playing many minutes.

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1/14/2016  2:17 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/14/2016  2:39 AM
WaltLongmire wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Through 22 games. That's pretty good seems to be rebounding well per minute as well. Maybe he is a version of scola?

Has he gotten much playing time? Anything more than 10MPG?

Just wondering, since someone around here had mentioned he wasn't playing many minutes.

Would be nice if he posted links when he gives data, eh?
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http://www.basketball-reference.com/euro/teams/real-madrid/2016.html
11.5 minutes, 5.5 pts, 66% FG (2nd highest on team), 62% FT, .3 STL, .5 BLK, 3.8 rebounds
per 36 minut, 17 pts, 1 STL, 1.7 BLK, 12 rebounds

Now, the per 36 probably doesn't translate directly, but this is VERY VERY promising. Many of us, including me, really liked the kid.

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1/14/2016  8:12 AM
noticed he was playing well.

As for his minutes KP had a good quote regarding that. He essentially said it really keeps you focused because you are a young guy taking a veteran's minutes who is a career pro you have to play well and execute well

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1/14/2016  10:01 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/14/2016  10:01 AM
I think they should change the way they do the field goal percentages cause they include layups in it and i don't think that should be how they do it cause that's a big reason why big men have good field goal percentages. They should do it for shots of 10 feet or better and then come up with a stat for layups or shots inside 10 feet.
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fishmike wrote:noticed he was playing well.

As for his minutes KP had a good quote regarding that. He essentially said it really keeps you focused because you are a young guy taking a veteran's minutes who is a career pro you have to play well and execute well

This. And every guy on the Knicks bench should hold that true and not come close to wanting to use the excuse that said player doesn't get consistent minute so he can't perform. At this point, for me, there is no excuse that KOQ, Seraphin, Sasha look so awful in the minutes they get. They should be razor sharp ready to bring their A games at any point they get scrap minutes.

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newyorker4ever wrote:I think they should change the way they do the field goal percentages cause they include layups in it and i don't think that should be how they do it cause that's a big reason why big men have good field goal percentages. They should do it for shots of 10 feet or better and then come up with a stat for layups or shots inside 10 feet.

Maybe breaking it down a bit would be nice. But why 10 feet? Is it not a shot from 9 feet? For me it is. And sometimes up close, like 3 foot away, it is just as hard as the defender is right there and you have to arch the shot.

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1/14/2016  11:51 AM
I get what you mean, but they already compile this kind of data breakdown as shot charts. Easy enough to find where someone makes the majority of his shots from.
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1/14/2016  12:04 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:I think they should change the way they do the field goal percentages cause they include layups in it and i don't think that should be how they do it cause that's a big reason why big men have good field goal percentages. They should do it for shots of 10 feet or better and then come up with a stat for layups or shots inside 10 feet.

If youre a Shaq and you can just drive buckets into the basket from close range--why shouldn't it count? He does look like a high efficiency scorer. If the cost is right this just lowers the bar on our salary cap for other assets. If the Knicks feel they can pencil him in for say 2mm per---not bad right?

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BRIGGS wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:I think they should change the way they do the field goal percentages cause they include layups in it and i don't think that should be how they do it cause that's a big reason why big men have good field goal percentages. They should do it for shots of 10 feet or better and then come up with a stat for layups or shots inside 10 feet.

If youre a Shaq and you can just drive buckets into the basket from close range--why shouldn't it count? He does look like a high efficiency scorer. If the cost is right this just lowers the bar on our salary cap for other assets. If the Knicks feel they can pencil him in for say 2mm per---not bad right?

He'd be a good addition. Definitely let Seraphin go. Might also eventually mean they can look into moving KOQ who doesn't seem like a fit for the style of play we're going these days.

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1/14/2016  1:49 PM
Euroleague has a different culture.

He is a very young player on a premiere team.

They just don't get a lot of minutes, no matter what.

Don't take his limited minutes as a commentary on this play. And I don't mean that to assume he's playing better than his minutes suggest, I'm just don't regard it as a significant consideration one way or another.
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1/14/2016  4:01 PM
briggs, weren't you killing this draft pick? Saying that we should have drafted justin anderson (or someone like that)?
so here is what phil is thinking ....
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1/14/2016  4:33 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/14/2016  4:34 PM
earthmansurfer wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:I think they should change the way they do the field goal percentages cause they include layups in it and i don't think that should be how they do it cause that's a big reason why big men have good field goal percentages. They should do it for shots of 10 feet or better and then come up with a stat for layups or shots inside 10 feet.

Maybe breaking it down a bit would be nice. But why 10 feet? Is it not a shot from 9 feet? For me it is. And sometimes up close, like 3 foot away, it is just as hard as the defender is right there and you have to arch the shot.


I was just coming up with a number to make the point so they should do 5 feet then. If you put the ball in the basket from inside 5 feet it shouldn't be considered a outside shot or count for your field goal percentage. They should just make another stat for shots (layups) within 5 feet.
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1/14/2016  4:41 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:I think they should change the way they do the field goal percentages cause they include layups in it and i don't think that should be how they do it cause that's a big reason why big men have good field goal percentages. They should do it for shots of 10 feet or better and then come up with a stat for layups or shots inside 10 feet.

If youre a Shaq and you can just drive buckets into the basket from close range--why shouldn't it count? He does look like a high efficiency scorer. If the cost is right this just lowers the bar on our salary cap for other assets. If the Knicks feel they can pencil him in for say 2mm per---not bad right?

I didn't say it shouldn't count at all, i was saying it shouldn't be considered a field goal when it's really a layup. I'm not gonna go back and forth on this cause it's something they'll never do anyway but i just don't think these big men who have high field goal percentages because 85% of their shots that are being considered field goals and raising their field goal percentages are really just layups so they should make a stat for shots inside 5 feet. These guards or forwards that are shooting most of their shots from outside of that 5 feet have worse field goal percentages than the big men cause they're actually shooting shots. Whatever now i'm confusing myself...lol
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1/14/2016  4:43 PM
mreinman wrote:briggs, weren't you killing this draft pick? Saying that we should have drafted justin anderson (or someone like that)?

It was J.Anderson that we kept hearing Briggs talking about until B.Portis started having some good games and then all we heard from him was how much he liked B.Portis but now Portis has gone quiet so i haven't heard him talk about him in a while.
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1/14/2016  7:51 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:I think they should change the way they do the field goal percentages cause they include layups in it and i don't think that should be how they do it cause that's a big reason why big men have good field goal percentages. They should do it for shots of 10 feet or better and then come up with a stat for layups or shots inside 10 feet.

and thats why everyone uses or should use TS. FG is a bloody mess.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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1/15/2016  1:56 AM
A top 5 pick for next year (If he decides to declare), with a great name- Dragan Bender- is averaging about 11 MPG playing in Israel, and I expect that guys around here will use this to explain why he should not be drafted above this or that American college player.

The European league teams don't consider themselves to be a farm system for the NBA...and they don't pander to players who are just passing through, like our universities do for our one and done kids, or the Chinese leagues.

If anything, fewer minutes means less wear and tear on Hernangomez...not a bad thing for the Knicks, IMO.

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1/15/2016  2:05 AM
markvmc wrote:I get what you mean, but they already compile this kind of data breakdown as shot charts. Easy enough to find where someone makes the majority of his shots from.

Yup.

I'm always looking at this stuff on BB Reference, and guys post those large shot charts, with the circles illustrating shot frequency...where a player shoots from and hits/misses, all the time around here.

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1/15/2016  6:57 AM
WaltLongmire wrote:A top 5 pick for next year (If he decides to declare), with a great name- Dragan Bender- is averaging about 11 MPG playing in Israel, and I expect that guys around here will use this to explain why he should not be drafted above this or that American college player.

The European league teams don't consider themselves to be a farm system for the NBA...and they don't pander to players who are just passing through, like our universities do for our one and done kids, or the Chinese leagues.

If anything, fewer minutes means less wear and tear on Hernangomez...not a bad thing for the Knicks, IMO.

That certainly is a nice thing, eh? The colleges here just want to make money off these kids. Pretty sick actually.

And yes again, less wear on Hernangomez as well as he is learning a lot from those vets there. This cat is real. We are gonna have an extremely nice team in the next couple of years imo.

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mreinman wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:I think they should change the way they do the field goal percentages cause they include layups in it and i don't think that should be how they do it cause that's a big reason why big men have good field goal percentages. They should do it for shots of 10 feet or better and then come up with a stat for layups or shots inside 10 feet.

and thats why everyone uses or should use TS. FG is a bloody mess.

TS corrects for the distance shots were made from?
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