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BRIGGS
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7/20/2004  8:58 PM
for Dujuan Wagner

we need a back up SG and they need a PF both have expiring contracts

Clev just acquired snow so they have to many little guys

we have 0 need for harrington

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7/20/2004  9:02 PM
i do that in a heartbeat, dajun wagner was a lottery pick not too long ago, great athlete, great upside, great scorer. downside to that trade is that it may limit our possiblity of landing some bigger name players.
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7/20/2004  9:03 PM
i'd do this trade in a heartbeat...but why do i feel like if someone else had suggested this trade, that you'd find some reasons why CLE would never agree to such a deal?
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7/20/2004  9:11 PM
I'd try several other trades first. I'd rather use Harrington to get Jamal or Dampier. Wagner's not going anywhere fast. We can afford to wait to see if we can get better players first.
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7/20/2004  9:12 PM
Sure lets give away an expiring deal for a unproven combo guard who will be lucky to get of our bench over FW. Dude have some patience, why not wate it out and see if we can land some better players like Dampier and Craw. If we can't, sure do the trade and hope Wanger somehow turns it around. And he can, he is young and all. Which makes me wonder why are the Cavs tradin a former lottery pick for garbage player like OH?
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7/20/2004  9:13 PM
Othello is easily a top 5 power forward in the league,
I would never do this deal

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Truthfully I would do any trade that involved him !!!


[Edited by - trueknicksfan on 07/20/2004 21:15:47]
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7/20/2004  9:15 PM
Posted by trueknicksfan:

Othello is easily a top 5 power forward in the league,
I would never do this deal

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[Edited by - trueknicksfan on 07/20/2004 21:14:30]
Othella wouldn't be a top 5 PF in the WNBA
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7/20/2004  9:18 PM
Othella wouldn't be a top 5 PF in the WNBA

I can just picture Othella in a Liberty jersey. We should really see if they are up for a trade.
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7/20/2004  9:20 PM
I bet he will get dunked on by Lisa Lesley lol.
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7/20/2004  9:40 PM
Posted by simrud:

Sure lets give away an expiring deal for a unproven combo guard who will be lucky to get of our bench over FW. Dude have some patience, why not wate it out and see if we can land some better players like Dampier and Craw. If we can't, sure do the trade and hope Wanger somehow turns it around. And he can, he is young and all. Which makes me wonder why are the Cavs tradin a former lottery pick for garbage player like OH?

you're sort of contradicting yourself in this post, since it's already been pointed out to you that both players have expiring contracts...& if he would be lucky to get off our bench over FW, then why would the Cavs then be hesitant to trade him

[Edited by - TMS on 07/20/2004 21:41:03]
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7/20/2004  9:45 PM
Harrington has more trade value than Wagner. Wagner is known around the league as an undersized 2 with the passing skills of Yinka Dare who can't shoot a good %.
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7/20/2004  10:41 PM
I would seriously consider a trade to move Othella for a can of malt beverage, preferably Coors. But, since Vinny may resign, I'd settle for an empty can of beer.
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7/20/2004  11:07 PM
Wagner would have trouble playin over FW because FW is that good, when given the mintues he was a nice player. Wagner when given the mintues stunk it up. However before the Snow trade, the competition at backup point for the Cavs was between Ollie and Wagner. You can pick up a better backup point from the CBA then Ollie. However all that said, OH is even worse. He is just pure garbage. He is a very bad post defender, turns the ball over to much, never passes, and is only an average rebounder. His only remeeing quality is a nice hookshot, but that's not gonna get you time on a contending team alone.
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7/20/2004  11:10 PM
this makes tremendous sense. Clev has NO PF and now has 4 small guards not including lebron. we have no back up 2G both contracts are expiring no commitment long term either way. harrington IN my book is underrated tough and skilled+ a vet with a no nonsense attitude and high character. we would be taking on the opposite with the hope of the high upside he still definitely possess


its a small trade we take on no crazy contracts and we get a need and so do they without disrupting salary structure.

i was thinking of something bigger with Kittles going to Denver Leonard and Nazr going to NJ with Skita and one of NJ's picks coming back to us--and move Skita into the back up PF behind Sweetney
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7/20/2004  11:13 PM
to me there is a distinctive differnce between the 2. FW=1 DW=2 thats what they are.
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7/20/2004  11:16 PM
wagner + starbury = one of the fastest backcourts in the league. that's where it starts and end. with wagner you are stuck playing the 2 with limited experience. a much better fit would be someone that plays 2/3 with rebounding skills. and that player is ricky davis, that has been coming off the bench since the trade with good results. i think case said, trade for davis while his value is down. I agree

starbury/fwill
h20/ricky davis
tt/penny
sweetney/harrington
nazr/deke
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7/20/2004  11:21 PM
Posted by Bobby:

wagner + starbury = one of the fastest backcourts in the league. that's where it starts and end. with wagner you are stuck playing the 2 with limited experience. a much better fit would be someone that plays 2/3 with rebounding skills. and that player is ricky davis, that has been coming off the bench since the trade with good results. i think case said, trade for davis while his value is down. I agree

starbury/fwill
h20/ricky davis
tt/penny
sweetney/harrington
nazr/deke

But he is a head case. Problematic player. May have talent but I don't think he would really help us. I'd maybe prefer staying put and creating a good chemestry and team atmosphere. Maybe some here would welcome him, but personally I don't think he really helps us.
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Posted by Knicksfan:
Posted by Bobby:

wagner + starbury = one of the fastest backcourts in the league. that's where it starts and end. with wagner you are stuck playing the 2 with limited experience. a much better fit would be someone that plays 2/3 with rebounding skills. and that player is ricky davis, that has been coming off the bench since the trade with good results. i think case said, trade for davis while his value is down. I agree

starbury/fwill
h20/ricky davis
tt/penny
sweetney/harrington
nazr/deke

But he is a head case. Problematic player. May have talent but I don't think he would really help us. I'd maybe prefer staying put and creating a good chemestry and team atmosphere. Maybe some here would welcome him, but personally I don't think he really helps us.

problematic player?...rodman, sheed, artest and look what they've done

the real problem is having 2 of 50 greatest nba players of all time on the same team without mentoring such cases
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7/20/2004  11:52 PM
if cleveland can absorb cap, i would trade othella + $3mil for a first round pick.
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7/21/2004  12:04 AM
Posted by Bobby:
Posted by Knicksfan:
Posted by Bobby:

wagner + starbury = one of the fastest backcourts in the league. that's where it starts and end. with wagner you are stuck playing the 2 with limited experience. a much better fit would be someone that plays 2/3 with rebounding skills. and that player is ricky davis, that has been coming off the bench since the trade with good results. i think case said, trade for davis while his value is down. I agree

starbury/fwill
h20/ricky davis
tt/penny
sweetney/harrington
nazr/deke

But he is a head case. Problematic player. May have talent but I don't think he would really help us. I'd maybe prefer staying put and creating a good chemestry and team atmosphere. Maybe some here would welcome him, but personally I don't think he really helps us.

problematic player?...rodman, sheed, artest and look what they've done

the real problem is having 2 of 50 greatest nba players of all time on the same team without mentoring such cases

I don't know. If it happens, well it happened. I just don't see NY really needing him or him really making NY so much better. The cases you mention its ok, but NY is not where Chicago was or where Detroit and Indiana are. Those players brought or bring something like unique to those teams that made them improve to another level. The Knicks are still a work in process. He could help a team that really needs him, but I don't think he is the missing link for NY. But thats just me...
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