Knicks1969 wrote:I know some will want to kill me for saying this, but Calderon needs to replaced. We get beat every game by opposing PGs and that needs to stop. When the dude is not scoring the ball,he should not see the floor because he does nothing else. He is a nice guy, but we are in the business of winning games, and he is not helping. We need help ASAP

With whom? He is not helping? The road trip was a success. You have only concept to reason with.

Spurs are the 2nd best, or even best team in the league and we took them to task on their floor.
Of course they can improve but their is a way to it.

Nalod wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:I know some will want to kill me for saying this, but Calderon needs to replaced. We get beat every game by opposing PGs and that needs to stop. When the dude is not scoring the ball,he should not see the floor because he does nothing else. He is a nice guy, but we are in the business of winning games, and he is not helping. We need help ASAP

With whom? He is not helping? The road trip was a success. You have only concept to reason with.

Spurs are the 2nd best, or even best team in the league and we took them to task on their floor.
Of course they can improve but their is a way to it.

I am not bashing the dude based on tonight; it has been bad since last year. We have better talents that are making up for Jose's poor plays, but if we do have an ability to upgrade the position by trading him, we must do it

Knicks1969 wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:Calderon's about an identity the Knicks are trying to establish. Pass first, look for teammates before your own shot. I'm not a big fan, but I can't see Phil trade him. What the Knicks need is a scoring guard. Afflalo is inconsistent. I love AA as a role player but we're expecting or relying on him to give us 15-20 points a night and he just can't. He can do it a few nights, then not for a few games. We need someone in the backcourt to give balance to the scoring.

With Calderon/Galloway/Grant all capable to play at PG and different roles, the position I think is easier to upgrade and more plausible to help the team right away is shooting guard.

I am sorry, I disagree with you wholeheartedly. The position we MUST upgrade is the PG spot.

Congrats. The rest of us have been saying that for months while you were busy critiquing Melo's outfits.

crzymdups wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:Calderon's about an identity the Knicks are trying to establish. Pass first, look for teammates before your own shot. I'm not a big fan, but I can't see Phil trade him. What the Knicks need is a scoring guard. Afflalo is inconsistent. I love AA as a role player but we're expecting or relying on him to give us 15-20 points a night and he just can't. He can do it a few nights, then not for a few games. We need someone in the backcourt to give balance to the scoring.

With Calderon/Galloway/Grant all capable to play at PG and different roles, the position I think is easier to upgrade and more plausible to help the team right away is shooting guard.

I am sorry, I disagree with you wholeheartedly. The position we MUST upgrade is the PG spot.

Congrats. The rest of us have been saying that for months while you were busy critiquing Melo's outfits.

And don't forget the coach.....

The easy thing to do is say WHAT we need......

How about take on a bigger challenge and talk about the Hows?.....instead of the Whats?

It's an offense where the point guard is supposed to be a) ballhandler that brings the ball up to make the initiation pass b) cut into spots where he can launch 3's or jumpshots. Sometimes layups.

Majority of NBA point guards want to monopolize the ball and need it in their hands for longer than 3 seconds to get their game impact going. I don't know of many point guards who are good fits in the Triangle. There are some, but not that many. Finding a point guard that is better than Jose will be easy. Finding a point guard who would fit in better and make the offense run smoother not so easy. The key is the latter. We should definitely upgrade the point guard position. But it won't be easy and it is unlikely to happen this year. Brandon Jennings or guys like that won't fit in the Triangle.

You go back to Phil's Bulls and Lakers teams, there wasn't ever a ball dominant, heavy screen/roll running point guard on it.

crzymdups wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:Calderon's about an identity the Knicks are trying to establish. Pass first, look for teammates before your own shot. I'm not a big fan, but I can't see Phil trade him. What the Knicks need is a scoring guard. Afflalo is inconsistent. I love AA as a role player but we're expecting or relying on him to give us 15-20 points a night and he just can't. He can do it a few nights, then not for a few games. We need someone in the backcourt to give balance to the scoring.

With Calderon/Galloway/Grant all capable to play at PG and different roles, the position I think is easier to upgrade and more plausible to help the team right away is shooting guard.

I am sorry, I disagree with you wholeheartedly. The position we MUST upgrade is the PG spot.

Congrats. The rest of us have been saying that for months while you were busy critiquing Melo's outfits.

I beg ur pardon? I am not a Carmelo hater:::)))). U got the wrong guy

nyknickzingis wrote:A Point Guard in the Triangle isn't going to monopolize the ball like he would in a screen/roll heavy offense. The ball needs to leave everyone's hand within 3 seconds, in theory. How many good point guards like to just bring the ball up and make an initiation pass? Not many. Even point guards like Gary Payton didn't do well in the Triangle.

It's an offense where the point guard is supposed to be a) ballhandler that brings the ball up to make the initiation pass b) cut into spots where he can launch 3's or jumpshots. Sometimes layups.

Majority of NBA point guards want to monopolize the ball and need it in their hands for longer than 3 seconds to get their game impact going. I don't know of many point guards who are good fits in the Triangle. There are some, but not that many. Finding a point guard that is better than Jose will be easy. Finding a point guard who would fit in better and make the offense run smoother not so easy. The key is the latter. We should definitely upgrade the point guard position. But it won't be easy and it is unlikely to happen this year. Brandon Jennings or guys like that won't fit in the Triangle.

You go back to Phil's Bulls and Lakers teams, there wasn't ever a ball dominant, heavy screen/roll running point guard on it.

Have to remember that there technically isn't a PG in the Triangle but that just means you want COMBO guards. You want them to be more of a scoring threat with and without the ball! Not a PG that has to have the ball all the time in order to be effective!!!

So you really want Scoring guards that have a little PG skill more than a pure PG who is really only looking to set up his teammates. It's a strange role for many players. Jerian is finding it a tough adjustment and the only guard we had who understood it was Shved!!!

Knicks1969 wrote:

Malcolm wrote:IMO, Calderon isn't great but he's not as much of a problem as Grant at this time.

If Calderon could play 48 minutes, we'd be a better team than we have now.

So, I say do the easier thing first: get an upgrade for Grant . . .

That is not saying much. Grant is a much better defender.

Our offense is currently bottom 10.

Calderon (49% shooting) is helping offense more than he is hurting defense.

Grant (35% shooting) is hurting offense more than he is helping defense . . .

nixluva wrote:Have to remember that there technically isn't a PG in the Triangle but that just means you want COMBO guards. You want them to be more of a scoring threat with and without the ball! Not a PG that has to have the ball all the time in order to be effective!!!

So you really want Scoring guards that have a little PG skill more than a pure PG who is really only looking to set up his teammates. It's a strange role for many players. Jerian is finding it a tough adjustment and the only guard we had who understood it was Shved!!!

blkexec wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:A Point Guard in the Triangle isn't going to monopolize the ball like he would in a screen/roll heavy offense. The ball needs to leave everyone's hand within 3 seconds, in theory. How many good point guards like to just bring the ball up and make an initiation pass? Not many. Even point guards like Gary Payton didn't do well in the Triangle.

It's an offense where the point guard is supposed to be a) ballhandler that brings the ball up to make the initiation pass b) cut into spots where he can launch 3's or jumpshots. Sometimes layups.

Majority of NBA point guards want to monopolize the ball and need it in their hands for longer than 3 seconds to get their game impact going. I don't know of many point guards who are good fits in the Triangle. There are some, but not that many. Finding a point guard that is better than Jose will be easy. Finding a point guard who would fit in better and make the offense run smoother not so easy. The key is the latter. We should definitely upgrade the point guard position. But it won't be easy and it is unlikely to happen this year. Brandon Jennings or guys like that won't fit in the Triangle.

You go back to Phil's Bulls and Lakers teams, there wasn't ever a ball dominant, heavy screen/roll running point guard on it.

Finding a triangle PG that Phil likes should be easy.....They are usually undersized SG's, with high basketball IQ. Somebody from a Duke like program, that has the length and quickness to guard a PG. Duke had a PG like that, who got drafted and bounced around the league. Not sure where he's at now, but those guys are everywhere. They usually don't stick around long because they are tweeners. Gallo is similar to that type. Ron Harper was a tall PG for the bulls. At 6'6 he was quick enough to guard small PG's, had the defensive IQ to make up for his lack of speed and didn't need the ball to impact the game. Thats a typical PG for Phil. Grant has the physical tools, just lacking the IQ and jumper right now.