peep this stat

he ranks # 24 in the league in
Efficiency Rating
and #9 in efficiency per 48 minutes

For those of you that dont know.. Effeciency rating is a very telling stat.... check out nba.com stats to see more about it but its basically all the positive stats you accumulate minus all the negative stats you have

Efficiency Formula: ((PTS + REB + AST + STL + BLK) - ((FGA - FGM) + (FTA - FTM) + TO)) / G

Dampier is a very very good player, Nazr + othella is a complete STEAL for him... who cares about the money we're never comin off the cap anywys, GET HIM IT!!!!!!!

FYI... Stats are misleading.

Furthermore, although Erick Dampier would be a viable solution for NY @ Center.. His game is marginal at best. Where in his career has he proven to be deemed a "very good player"????

This is a guy who played his best ball EVER in a contract year. The funny thing is everyone is wow'd by his stats.. he averaged what like a SUPERB (apologize for the sarcasm) 12ppg and 12 reb last year but for his career its like 9 ppg 7 reb!!!! He has a history of being lazy, why do you think Indiana traded him, It wasn't because they had Rik Smits (He was about to retire)

All this nonsense about him somehow coming to the East and dominating is crazy as well. First off all, he's likely to be facing the best two centers out East at least 4 times a night. Shaq and Ilgauskas... both of whom are legitimate 7ft'rs. Dampier is barely 6'11.. AND yes he may be strong.. but you gotta know that he can't contain either one of those boys. He is a step above Mark Blount.. (Another guy thats benefitting from the shortage on quality big men) These guys are not difference makers, YES they'd be great additions on an Eastern conference team.. but the truth of the matter they are really overhyped!

In terms of anyone debating whether the Knicks should get him, I agree with you that we should go hard after him and/or anyother big man; Not because he is so nice, or such an impact player but most simply because we dont have anyone over 6'9!!!!

I'd prefer Ilgauskas though (He wouldn't play a lick of D).. BUT at least his scoring prowess would keep Shaq honest. Dampier ain't gon stop Diesel nor score on him either!

[Edited by - JayNYC on 07/20/2004 20:18:20]

"Stats are misleading"
If you bother to read the dude's post, you would see that it is the effeciecny rating, which is about non-milseading as it will get. 12 12 and 2+ was not evne mentioned.

"I want big Z"
I want Shaq and Kobe too. He arent comign just cause you want him, so what the heck does what you want have to do with anything?

"He is barely 6 11"
Pure BS. He is a very solid 6 11 and 270 at that. So stop the crap by even suggesting he is undersized.

We don't have a center, do you understand, capish??? WE DO NOT HAVE A FREAKIN CENTER!!! Mohammed is a joke and he is truly undersized, more of a PF really. Gettin a real center makes us a top 4 team in the Eeat. Plain and simple.

i dont want dampier for seven years.....period. 5 years is max for him

NIMROD...

DO YOU EVEN KNOW ABOUT BASKETBALL!!!

First off, you played yourself.. STATS are not a credible source to dictate the worth of a player. How hard he plays. or whatever else you wanna claim they support.

Dampier IS NOT an allstar caliber center; HE NEVER WAS, HE NEVER WILL BE!!!.. He had one ONE decent year.. 12 12 and 2.. AND you are act'n like he's Shaq or somebody.

As far as Ilgauskas is concerned, YES i'd think he'd be the better fit for the Knicks, why??? because A)He has a low post game w/ his back to the basket, B) He is over 7ft and C)We have Mike Sweetney to bang downlow, like what Cleveland did w/ Boozer so in effect Z would just be a low post scoring threat. Sweetney takes the pressure off of him on the rebounding end.

FYI:Contrary to your belief he is attainable. Just not for what NY has to offer, which is the case for any trade scenario involving NYK!!! The opposing GM would have to be extremely gullable, and Isiah would have to be Crazy lucky!

****That comment about "He arent comign just cause you want him, so what the heck does what you want have to do with anything?

You act like Dampier is coming here too... Matter fact thats neither here nor there, before you suggest that my opinions don't matter, take into account that yours WONT MATTER EVER, especially if you have a spelling deficiency. People cant relate to what they generally don't understand Nimrod!!!!

What were you talkin about???.. If I took the time to read his post??? Is that ya man or something.. why are you responding on his behalf. Thats really borderline homo 4 real..

"We don't have a center, do you understand, capish??? WE DO NOT HAVE A FREAKIN CENTER!!! Mohammed is a joke and he is truly undersized, more of a PF really. Gettin a real center makes us a top 4 team in the Eeat. Plain and simple."

Gettin a real center... c'mon clown you cant be serious right now. I clearly said I wouldn't be opposed to NY acquiring Dampier, or any other big man over 6'9.. That being said IF we did get him.. I wouldn't be ecstatic; because I know that he is either overhyped or an underacheiver.. either case wont bring significant change to our center position.

one ya self 4 real!!!!


[Edited by - JayNYC on 07/21/2004 20:12:43]

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/erick_dampier/index.html?nav=page

Why are yall act'n like I don't know what Im talking about..

Dampier has a career avg of 26min per game... He gets burn, he just didn't produce until last season.. Which wouldn't you know it was in a contract year. Im telling yall, don't be fooled by the shortage of big men in the NBA.. Next yall will be sayin Mark Blount is an allstar caliber. Thats crazy.

Dampier is mediocre at best.. maybe in the current scheme of the NBA "marginal centers" are commodity because of the lack there of... BUT the truth is.. If he was such an overwhelming presence in the league, why didn't he dominate in the middle for The Warriors. They aint have no body else.. J-Rich wasn't gettin the rock, Nick Van Exel & Troy Murphy was hurt, They had Dunleavy playin point so he deferred the ball on most occasions... That 12 ppg should have been at least 18ppg considering that a majority of there featured players were on the IR. Where is the proof that Dampier is so good???

I agree w/ you DJ.. and I've been saying that as well. He'd certainly upgrade our center position, If for nothing more "him being over 6'9"

My argument is based on this belief that "most" tend to claim he is a top tier center. THATS ABSURD! Again, Im not opposed to getting him, but really he won't be that much of an upgrade over K.Thomas IMO. Thats why I'd prefer we take a run at Ilgauskas, ONE Cleveland is in the market for a power forward & we have plenty that are expendible... TWO, Ilgauskas ain't no defensive specialist thats gonna shut down Shaq, but who is???? The NBA's best attack on Shaq is make him tired, you do that by matching him up with an offensively capable center. Thats why players like Divac and Yao have done well against him. Dampier cant score.. and he cant D Shaq either so what would truly justify paying him close to 80 mil for 6 yrs???? Absolutely nothing, I'd rather pay Big Z that money.. he's younger and has a better offensive game.

ill take Dampier for the MLE but anyone who wants to put him on all-star caliber status--go break out a game of Ewing Robinson Hakeem Moses Malone and it's a joke. Just because basketball is watered down now doesnt make him an all-star. Guys like Chris Mihm and Dan Gadzurik have similar stats over 48 minutes.

were not going to have to pay dampier more than the MLE because he will either get a sign and trade offer from another team[not our crp] that will be acceptible to GS or he will sign with Atlanta. Any way you look at it, its MLE or no Dampier. Philly has a much better offer with Big Dog and Korver +they both expire.

Dampier is a guy who will always tease you, the way I measure a player is not by stats only, which is important to an extent, but I also watch a lot of games on satellite and I look at the effect a player has on his team, Dampier had basically his best year as a pro, great for dampier and his checkbook in a contract year, but how much better did the warriors get? Were the warriors much better? I don't think so, the fact is Dampier is a average player, will he help the knicks? I am sure he would, how much I don't know and I don't want to find out at the tune of 7 years and 65 million..

Posted by simrud:

Jay you don't know sh**t. Dampier is no allstar but he is a good center. He is a shotblocker and a great rebounder. He is 6 11 and 270 with great size. He can finish too, so he is no Deke.

Here is the problem I have. Dampier shows great potential and all the things you said above are true for last year. But it was only last year which was his contract year. All through his career he has been a pretty lazy underachiever and the year that decides his contract he breaks out? Thats the only part that turns me off.

Since that part is shady, I dont want him on a 7 year deal. A 5 year MLE kinda scares me too. If the knicks get him and he plays hard, I will be very very happy but I just dont think it will happen. I would rather stay clear of Dampier this year and see what else if anything we can pull of.

yall are crazy dampier is all u could want in a CENTER unless u got someone like shaq which is one and a million dampier plays the roll and he gets it done in the middle`1