BRIGGS wrote:to compete seriously with good teams who try.

Also besides KP we dont have another young player I can truly see developing into a high quality NBA player. I dont think Grant is fast enough skilled enough nor does he play with outstanding energy.

I would trade Carmelo in the RIGHT trade i.e something like trading Carmelo to Chicago--Rose and Noah to Boston and we get Portis Lee Bradley and both Brooklyn #1's.

100 % need a pg which I think will happen by the trade deadline. I don't see Melo waving his no trade . We will never win vs good coached teams with fish as our head coach... One adjustment by the opposition and fish is completely lost... Again this could be from our lack of pg play and once we get a real pg, that should be the final straw for fish if he still can't get it done with a good pg.

fitzfarm wrote:I think if Melo did waive his no trade clause, Phil would jump at moving him. The other way is to make Melo feel unwanted and I don't see Phil creating that atmosphere for Melo.

It would have to be a lucrative package back.

BRIGGS wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:I think if Melo did waive his no trade clause, Phil would jump at moving him. The other way is to make Melo feel unwanted and I don't see Phil creating that atmosphere for Melo.

It would have to be a lucrative package back.

The only chance of getting another star player is Melo being on this team. It's not Melo it is the players around him. You think just by trading Melo we get great teams players back. Look KP is not looking that great and he might be fools gold. We need a point guard who can break down the defense of the other teams. I wonder how long it will take before Briggs will want to trade KP

BRIGGS wrote:to compete seriously with good teams who try.

Also besides KP we dont have another young player I can truly see developing into a high quality NBA player. I dont think Grant is fast enough skilled enough nor does he play with outstanding energy.

I would trade Carmelo in the RIGHT trade i.e something like trading Carmelo to Chicago--Rose and Noah to Boston and we get Portis Lee Bradley and both Brooklyn #1's.

Grant came into the NBA known as a pg that penetrates, and we saw it in SL and preseason. Every since Fisher told him he wanted him to run the offense instead of doing what he does best, he has lost all confidence and direction.

If grant was on Atlanta, he would have all the space in the world to get to the hole, and would be thriving in that offense. In the this triangle, he is force to give up the rock the second he passes half court.

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:to compete seriously with good teams who try.

Also besides KP we dont have another young player I can truly see developing into a high quality NBA player. I dont think Grant is fast enough skilled enough nor does he play with outstanding energy.

I would trade Carmelo in the RIGHT trade i.e something like trading Carmelo to Chicago--Rose and Noah to Boston and we get Portis Lee Bradley and both Brooklyn #1's.

Grant came into the NBA known as a pg that penetrates, and we saw it in SL and preseason. Every since Fisher told him he wanted him to run the offense instead of doing what he does best, he has lost all confidence and direction.

If grant was on Atlanta, he would have all the space in the world to get to the hole, and would be thriving in that offense. In the this triangle, he is force to give up the rock the second he passes half court.

Grant playing poorly is not the system!!! Did Fish make Jerian slip and fall going to the basket or miss a wide open layup or miss jumpers etc ? It's not Fish! Jerian is just facing the reality of the position at this level and he has to learn and improve. He isn't the 1st rookie guard to struggle at this level.

You know NOTHING about the Triangle if you think Jerian's only option is to give up the ball in this offense as soon as he crossed half court. If you really want to discuss all of the aspects of the guard spot in the Triangle lets do that but this isn't about Jerian being dragged down by the offense or the coach. Perfect example is Shved last year who THRIVED in the role. Jerian has to raise his level of play just the same.

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:to compete seriously with good teams who try.

Also besides KP we dont have another young player I can truly see developing into a high quality NBA player. I dont think Grant is fast enough skilled enough nor does he play with outstanding energy.

I would trade Carmelo in the RIGHT trade i.e something like trading Carmelo to Chicago--Rose and Noah to Boston and we get Portis Lee Bradley and both Brooklyn #1's.

Grant came into the NBA known as a pg that penetrates, and we saw it in SL and preseason. Every since Fisher told him he wanted him to run the offense instead of doing what he does best, he has lost all confidence and direction.

If grant was on Atlanta, he would have all the space in the world to get to the hole, and would be thriving in that offense. In the this triangle, he is force to give up the rock the second he passes half court.

Grant playing poorly is not the system!!! Did Fish make Jerian slip and fall going to the basket or miss a wide open layup or miss jumpers etc ? It's not Fish! Jerian is just facing the reality of the position at this level and he has to learn and improve. He isn't the 1st rookie guard to struggle at this level.

You know NOTHING about the Triangle if you think Jerian's only option is to give up the ball in this offense as soon as he crossed half court. If you really want to discuss all of the aspects of the guard spot in the Triangle lets do that but this isn't about Jerian being dragged down by the offense or the coach. Perfect example is Shved last year who THRIVED in the role. Jerian has to raise his level of play just the same.

nix - I think we're running a really bad offense for this group.

I'm watching and I have no idea what this team is trying to do on offense. We'd be better off with Melo Iso ball.

Yes, we don't have the skill or speed that we'd love to see, but I can't help but think we'd have a better record and better developed group if we were perhaps running a more traditional offense that better incorporated the talents we have.

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:to compete seriously with good teams who try.

Also besides KP we dont have another young player I can truly see developing into a high quality NBA player. I dont think Grant is fast enough skilled enough nor does he play with outstanding energy.

I would trade Carmelo in the RIGHT trade i.e something like trading Carmelo to Chicago--Rose and Noah to Boston and we get Portis Lee Bradley and both Brooklyn #1's.

Grant came into the NBA known as a pg that penetrates, and we saw it in SL and preseason. Every since Fisher told him he wanted him to run the offense instead of doing what he does best, he has lost all confidence and direction.

If grant was on Atlanta, he would have all the space in the world to get to the hole, and would be thriving in that offense. In the this triangle, he is force to give up the rock the second he passes half court.

We have some players we can beat the lower echlon teams but this is not set up to win big. Even if we are patient--Carmelo will be old by the time we are good IF he even fits in here?

To me KP at 5--we should sign a Kevin Mchale to work with him---go trade Carmelo now while you can bring back what I believe will still be major league assets--then use the rest of the season to do our best and figure out who stays who goes. I dont see enough guys who will be a on a great team here/

The problem with your strategy is that it is all built on assumptions. Your telling us we should use Lee Bradley and picks as the main building blocks? So Lee Bradley on the Sixes today would be a championship caliber team? Makes no sense. Why not go with a formula that gave us 54 wins just a couple of years ago?

BRIGGS wrote:

knickscity wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:to compete seriously with good teams who try.

Also besides KP we dont have another young player I can truly see developing into a high quality NBA player. I dont think Grant is fast enough skilled enough nor does he play with outstanding energy.

I would trade Carmelo in the RIGHT trade i.e something like trading Carmelo to Chicago--Rose and Noah to Boston and we get Portis Lee Bradley and both Brooklyn #1's.

Grant came into the NBA known as a pg that penetrates, and we saw it in SL and preseason. Every since Fisher told him he wanted him to run the offense instead of doing what he does best, he has lost all confidence and direction.

If grant was on Atlanta, he would have all the space in the world to get to the hole, and would be thriving in that offense. In the this triangle, he is force to give up the rock the second he passes half court.

We have some players we can beat the lower echlon teams but this is not set up to win big. Even if we are patient--Carmelo will be old by the time we are good IF he even fits in here?

To me KP at 5--we should sign a Kevin Mchale to work with him---go trade Carmelo now while you can bring back what I believe will still be major league assets--then use the rest of the season to do our best and figure out who stays who goes. I dont see enough guys who will be a on a great team here/

The problem with your strategy is that it is all built on assumptions. Your telling us we should use Lee Bradley and picks as the main building blocks? So Lee Bradley on the Sixes today would be a championship caliber team? Makes no sense. Why not go with a formula that gave us 54 wins just a couple of years ago?

I think he's really eyeing those BK #1 picks. Depending on the protections those might be very nice.

I was thinking 3 way and the assets were Portis Bradley and those two Brooklyn picks. Id be happy with that. Can a 3 way trade be made? Chicago Boston NY?

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:to compete seriously with good teams who try.

Also besides KP we dont have another young player I can truly see developing into a high quality NBA player. I dont think Grant is fast enough skilled enough nor does he play with outstanding energy.

I would trade Carmelo in the RIGHT trade i.e something like trading Carmelo to Chicago--Rose and Noah to Boston and we get Portis Lee Bradley and both Brooklyn #1's.

Grant came into the NBA known as a pg that penetrates, and we saw it in SL and preseason. Every since Fisher told him he wanted him to run the offense instead of doing what he does best, he has lost all confidence and direction.

If grant was on Atlanta, he would have all the space in the world to get to the hole, and would be thriving in that offense. In the this triangle, he is force to give up the rock the second he passes half court.

Grant playing poorly is not the system!!! Did Fish make Jerian slip and fall going to the basket or miss a wide open layup or miss jumpers etc ? It's not Fish! Jerian is just facing the reality of the position at this level and he has to learn and improve. He isn't the 1st rookie guard to struggle at this level.

You know NOTHING about the Triangle if you think Jerian's only option is to give up the ball in this offense as soon as he crossed half court. If you really want to discuss all of the aspects of the guard spot in the Triangle lets do that but this isn't about Jerian being dragged down by the offense or the coach. Perfect example is Shved last year who THRIVED in the role. Jerian has to raise his level of play just the same.

Dude we run a sloppy " were I'm suppose to be" triangle, or some simplistic version of it. I have heard shaq, kobe, and rick fox slam the knicks for thinking their running the triangle.

The stupidest part, by the time the 2nd half (especially the 4th qtr) we still run the same exact thing, and the defense has fully adjusted, and we have no plan B.

Shved ain't grant, so why the heck are you comparing the 2. Do you compare Gary payton to John Stockton, cmon nix, your smarter than that.

Fisher and his staff have no creativity and will stick to this plan until their Blue and Purple in the face.

Were down 10 and walking the ball up court, were turning the ball over and running the same play, were not getting to the line enough. What changes are they making to address these issues, not to mention the inconsistent to rotation.

But all you keep saying is give him time to figure it out, thats going to be to late