Sad really.

BRIGGS wrote:I don't know if anyone discussed it but I thought it was an ultra lame semi take off of the original. Princess Leah looked god awful the characters were lame except for the little droid it was lame darthvader would've killed fin with a light saber in 5 seconds and the girl in 10. I could go on and on but it was bad. I guess if you're 10 never saw Star Wars before it was good but I took it as cheesy when they had a good concept and just made brutal movie out of it. Only guy from the past that would've been acceptable was Luke

You can't compare Kylo Ren to Darth Vader. They were at different stages of their commitment to the dark side and their level of expertise in the force and lightsaber combat at the time their respective movies take place. While I believe you can't compare the 2 I believe that Kylo Ren should have still been able to take care of FN 2187 quickly.

I really don't understand what people were expecting. I really enjoyed it. Was a nice little adventure.

EnySpree wrote:

Clean wrote:

Dagger wrote:I thought the movie was good overall, but I think they really screwed up with the Kylo Ren character. He just came across as too weak and immature to the point where he didn't feel like a threat, and you have to wonder how this kid was really the best general the Empire could find... Like I get the girl Jedi was supposed to be strong with the force and whatever, but this guy has been trained and been in the military for some time at this point. The fact that he could be defeated by a novice is just embarrassing and raises questions about the severity of the danger the character represents.

I think Kylo Ren was purposely meant to be weak and immature in this episode. Remember when we saw Vader in the movies he was a seasoned vet at being evil. Kylo Ren is still a rookie. He did not even fully commit to the dark side until he finally killed his father near the end of the movie. I think this is where the genius is. We are witnessing the rise of Darth Vader. I would consider Kylo Ren in this episode to be in the awkward teenager phase.

I enjoyed that though. He was conflicted. He obviously was trained very well but he's still young. I thought they did a good job getting the point across.

Only thing I hated was when Luke flipped off his hood at the end, lol. They could have donev without that. He's Luke Skywalker not Zoolander.

I think a better ending would have been with just the back shot and him never turning around just his robotic hand clinching again and again.

Clean wrote:Major Spoilers in my post. If you don't want to see them please do not read.

I actually loved the movie. I agree that there was a lot of callbacks to the 1st Star Wars movie. I did not mind the callbacks because I see this movie as a passing of the torch to a new set of movies and new characters. The older characters making appearances in this movie was another symbol of them passing the torch.

I loved most of the new characters. The girl who is now the 1st female Jedi who is also proficient in the force with no training at all. I love the humanization of the storm troopers. I like how FN 2187 is not 100% a good guy. He will lie to you to get what he wants but will ultimately do the right thing in the in end.

The lightsaber battles seemed more gritty in this movie than ever before. You can tell they were really trying to kill the other person and it did not seem like they were just doing fight scene choreography. You have to also admit that freezing the blaster fire in mid air at the last second was awesome.

Some scenes were beautifully shot. The best example coming from the Kylo Ren/Han Solo scene. The ray of light coming from the window had dual symbolism. The light shined on the new characters showing that they were good people but also shined on Kylo Ren. Kylo Ren also always has that red light shining on his face. I believe it was there to show that Kylo Ren was still struggling with the light/dark side. Once the ray of light died out it showed that he finally picked which side he would go with permanently.

The next movie can't have all of these callbacks to the old movies. They now have a firm foundation to build off of. I want to see them come up with new and creative story lines for all of these characters.

i agree 100% about this post. the plot was completely take from episode 4 new hope (droid has plans to destroy yet another death star). repeating plots for future generations = is a common theme in anime and other genres. i have no problem with that

to my surprise the ACTING was great by the new heros. the girl was amazing, finn was funny and the pilot was cool. i look forward to their futures.

this was a passing of the torch movie. han was part of the old act but now he will be passed on to the new act

i didnt like kylo...reminded me of a bratty teenager but i appreciate his inner conflict. that should be interesting to watch.

lastly i agree...they used this movie to bridge to the next generation. so now i dont need to see leah, han, the stupid droidsagain.now lets focus on these new characters...where they came from and where theyre going

PS i really hope rey isnt simply the daughter of luke...jedis were supposed to be weird monks/hermits. it would be cool if she was some random girl who happens to be strong with the force

callmened wrote:

Clean wrote:Major Spoilers in my post. If you don't want to see them please do not read.

I actually loved the movie. I agree that there was a lot of callbacks to the 1st Star Wars movie. I did not mind the callbacks because I see this movie as a passing of the torch to a new set of movies and new characters. The older characters making appearances in this movie was another symbol of them passing the torch.

I loved most of the new characters. The girl who is now the 1st female Jedi who is also proficient in the force with no training at all. I love the humanization of the storm troopers. I like how FN 2187 is not 100% a good guy. He will lie to you to get what he wants but will ultimately do the right thing in the in end.

The lightsaber battles seemed more gritty in this movie than ever before. You can tell they were really trying to kill the other person and it did not seem like they were just doing fight scene choreography. You have to also admit that freezing the blaster fire in mid air at the last second was awesome.

Some scenes were beautifully shot. The best example coming from the Kylo Ren/Han Solo scene. The ray of light coming from the window had dual symbolism. The light shined on the new characters showing that they were good people but also shined on Kylo Ren. Kylo Ren also always has that red light shining on his face. I believe it was there to show that Kylo Ren was still struggling with the light/dark side. Once the ray of light died out it showed that he finally picked which side he would go with permanently.

The next movie can't have all of these callbacks to the old movies. They now have a firm foundation to build off of. I want to see them come up with new and creative story lines for all of these characters.

i agree 100% about this post. the plot was completely take from episode 4 new hope (droid has plans to destroy yet another death star). repeating plots for future generations = is a common theme in anime and other genres. i have no problem with that

to my surprise the ACTING was great by the new heros. the girl was amazing, finn was funny and the pilot was cool. i look forward to their futures.

this was a passing of the torch movie. han was part of the old act but now he will be passed on to the new act

i didnt like kylo...reminded me of a bratty teenager but i appreciate his inner conflict. that should be interesting to watch.

lastly i agree...they used this movie to bridge to the next generation. so now i dont need to see leah, han, the stupid droidsagain.now lets focus on these new characters...where they came from and where theyre going

PS i really hope rey isnt simply the daughter of luke...jedis were supposed to be weird monks/hermits. it would be cool if she was some random girl who happens to be strong with the force

the whole arc from 1-9 is about the skywalkers or so lucas and all the other folks involved have said. i hope she is his kid, they dropped enough hints that she was. i hope they dont go for some twist that she isnt.