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fishmike
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12/20/2015  11:04 AM
I expect more ups and downs but at 14-14 and 30ish games in we are seeing a couple things that will critical to this making the playoffs in a very deep East where its prob going to take 45 wins to get in, and it could be higher.

1) Melo is 31 years young. Im not an NBA player, but Ive had a major knee reconstruction and played sports from 21-39. If an age sticks out at me as my best it was 31.... I still had the leftovers of 20's athleticism but the start of my 30's maturity. A perfect mix. We have heard the quotes and stories about Melo changing his game after his long time off and that's nice... some nights we have seen it more than others. The most promising thing was the bouncy athleticism Melo showed last night. On the 2nd night of a b2b (soft one, granted) he was beating good defenders like Butler right off the dribble for layups. He was showing that great 2nd leap, which was once one of the best in the league. An alley oop? Those are some huge signs for this team, because that is the Melo that can carry a team for month while the team goes 12-4. That's that POTM Melo, that we last saw two years ago when he almost single handedly turned that season around to get that team into the post season.

2) KP is tough. Of all the wonderful things we have seen from this player the one that tells me most is when he rips down a board in traffic and moves those arms as to say if you want to try and rip this ball out of my grip your arms are coming out of their sockets. Durability has yet to be addressed but he certainly knows how to translate his length and quickness into physical play. He TODAY possess bot a power game and a finesse game.

What we have seen the last 4 games is the rest of the team feeding off this dynamic duo. KOQ is cleaning up. Galloway is flying around doing his thing and AA has the deep skill set to take advantage of the space those two are creating.

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12/20/2015  11:19 AM
If Melo can start to finish like he did in the recent past he would be ooutrageously good. Most nights he seems rushed because he seems fearful of his shot getting blocked.

I also hope his dribbling is starting to get better. Not being able to handle the ball and tighten up his craft as a dribbler probably hurt his game a lot.

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12/20/2015  11:38 AM
That's probably what it's going to take to get the 8th seed
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12/20/2015  11:42 AM
Great Knicks WIN lastnite vs Bulls !!!!!
Our record stands at 14-14
Home 7-7
Away 7-7

Our next scheduled 10 games will be against playoff teams with records above .500
How we make out on our next 10 games? Will evaluate our strategic hopes in making the playoffs, plus where we will be standing in wins at the end of the season, without trading Calderon (before deadline) to get a NBA starter PG.

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12/20/2015  11:54 AM
Also said 45 wins. Have no idea if that will be the case. Tough to get a bead on Fisher. Still appears to coach at times like he's playing Xbox. Thomas is no longer an experiment, Williams is settling into his role, Grant is getting his confidence back, but has to shoot with more conviction. Looks too tentative.

With the exception of this blowout last night, Lopez has made key plays in the closing moments of games, as soon as Fisher started letting him finish. Hopefully that will continue. KP is starting to use his midrange jumper more often which is awesome. Thought he was relying on tne 3 too much. AA is firing on all cylinders, the bench as a whole has its mojo back, Melo is back, things are looking up.

Im still concerned about how long AA can keep up the pace he's playing at right now, Melo staying healthy, Grant playing with more confidence, musical lineups, Galloway's inconsistency, Calderon at PG . I believe this team is capable of 45 wins, but it could easily go the other way. The stars really have to align to get to 45 wins.

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12/20/2015  12:06 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/20/2015  12:09 PM
As for the Players ....
Melo has to divorce the ISO-Melo symptom of making all his teammates stand around watching his individual performance, plus average 30 to 32 minute per game at age 31.
Afflalo has to pickup on his passing game n slashing game to keep us effective on offense.
Rolo are great asset to the team when he keep the ball above his head and start throwing quick passes to teammates.
KP.Zingis 7 foot raw talent deserve 24 to 30 minute playing time off the bench, in Big lineup KP, Serafin, D.Will.
Quinn are a 30 minute starter PF that can average 12 to 15 rebounds a game attacking the offensive glass.
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12/20/2015  12:12 PM
Kemet wrote:KP.Zingis 7 foot raw talent deserve 24 to 30 minute playing time off the bench, in Big lineup KP, Serafin, D.Will.
Quinn are a 30 minute starter PF that can average 12 to 15 rebounds a game attacking the offensive glass.

Ummmmmmm…what?

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12/20/2015  12:35 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/20/2015  12:38 PM
bigbasketballs wrote:
Kemet wrote:KP.Zingis 7 foot raw talent deserve 24 to 30 minute playing time off the bench, in Big lineup KP, Serafin, D.Will.
Quinn are a 30 minute starter PF that can average 12 to 15 rebounds a game attacking the offensive glass.

Ummmmmmm…what?

Stop acting like KP got 2 or 3 yrs experience under his belt .. he dont!
KP should be getting the majority of his playing time taking advantage over our opponents bench players while gelling with our young core players .. KP, Serafin, D.Will, Galloway, Grant.
After Galloway's performance last season, Fisher should've had Gallo as the backup PG, making Grant a slasher-passer SG.

Fisher experimenting the he doing will guide KP into getting injured in midseason games when teams start playing ROUGH for the win.

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12/20/2015  1:09 PM
Kemet wrote:
bigbasketballs wrote:
Kemet wrote:KP.Zingis 7 foot raw talent deserve 24 to 30 minute playing time off the bench, in Big lineup KP, Serafin, D.Will.
Quinn are a 30 minute starter PF that can average 12 to 15 rebounds a game attacking the offensive glass.

Ummmmmmm…what?

Stop acting like KP got 2 or 3 yrs experience under his belt .. he dont!
KP should be getting the majority of his playing time taking advantage over our opponents bench players while gelling with our young core players .. KP, Serafin, D.Will, Galloway, Grant.
After Galloway's performance last season, Fisher should've had Gallo as the backup PG, making Grant a slasher-passer SG.

Fisher experimenting the he doing will guide KP into getting injured in midseason games when teams start playing ROUGH for the win.


One of the things the broadcasters keep pointing out is that KP has been allowed to be just a rookie by playing with Melo, Afflalo, Lopez etc. I think it has worked well for him and his development. He and mElo have great chemistry together. The bench Seems to have found their chemistry again. I am not sure why you would shake that up.
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12/20/2015  1:23 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
Kemet wrote:
bigbasketballs wrote:
Kemet wrote:KP.Zingis 7 foot raw talent deserve 24 to 30 minute playing time off the bench, in Big lineup KP, Serafin, D.Will.
Quinn are a 30 minute starter PF that can average 12 to 15 rebounds a game attacking the offensive glass.

Ummmmmmm…what?

Stop acting like KP got 2 or 3 yrs experience under his belt .. he dont!
KP should be getting the majority of his playing time taking advantage over our opponents bench players while gelling with our young core players .. KP, Serafin, D.Will, Galloway, Grant.
After Galloway's performance last season, Fisher should've had Gallo as the backup PG, making Grant a slasher-passer SG.

Fisher experimenting the he doing will guide KP into getting injured in midseason games when teams start playing ROUGH for the win.


One of the things the broadcasters keep pointing out is that KP has been allowed to be just a rookie by playing with Melo, Afflalo, Lopez etc. I think it has worked well for him and his development. He and mElo have great chemistry together. The bench Seems to have found their chemistry again. I am not sure why you would shake that up.
I saw everything I needed to know in one play... I honestly forgot the game, but KP was having one of those stretches where he's hot and hitting everything. Melo had the lead in transition and could have attacked but instead he passed it behind him to the trailing KP and yelled 3! KP pulled for a transition 3 which he missed, but the point was simply Melo was not only feeding the kid but he was thoroughly enjoying it. KP is in such a good spot to succeed here, and we don't need a ton from him. Hey... if he just boxes out and plays D for 30 minutes a game its a PLUS. The offense comes and goes... he's a rook, but that fine, especially with AA playing so well less pressure to score. He can feast when its there. High IQ
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12/20/2015  1:29 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/20/2015  1:29 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:That's probably what it's going to take to get the 8th seed

45 wins (?) Seems a very good guess . . .
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12/20/2015  1:30 PM
fishmike wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Kemet wrote:
bigbasketballs wrote:
Kemet wrote:KP.Zingis 7 foot raw talent deserve 24 to 30 minute playing time off the bench, in Big lineup KP, Serafin, D.Will.
Quinn are a 30 minute starter PF that can average 12 to 15 rebounds a game attacking the offensive glass.

Ummmmmmm…what?

Stop acting like KP got 2 or 3 yrs experience under his belt .. he dont!
KP should be getting the majority of his playing time taking advantage over our opponents bench players while gelling with our young core players .. KP, Serafin, D.Will, Galloway, Grant.
After Galloway's performance last season, Fisher should've had Gallo as the backup PG, making Grant a slasher-passer SG.

Fisher experimenting the he doing will guide KP into getting injured in midseason games when teams start playing ROUGH for the win.


One of the things the broadcasters keep pointing out is that KP has been allowed to be just a rookie by playing with Melo, Afflalo, Lopez etc. I think it has worked well for him and his development. He and mElo have great chemistry together. The bench Seems to have found their chemistry again. I am not sure why you would shake that up.
I saw everything I needed to know in one play... I honestly forgot the game, but KP was having one of those stretches where he's hot and hitting everything. Melo had the lead in transition and could have attacked but instead he passed it behind him to the trailing KP and yelled 3! KP pulled for a transition 3 which he missed, but the point was simply Melo was not only feeding the kid but he was thoroughly enjoying it. KP is in such a good spot to succeed here, and we don't need a ton from him. Hey... if he just boxes out and plays D for 30 minutes a game its a PLUS. The offense comes and goes... he's a rook, but that fine, especially with AA playing so well less pressure to score. He can feast when its there. High IQ

I missed that play but the real point is that Melo yelled 3! to distract KP so he would miss.

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12/20/2015  1:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/20/2015  1:47 PM
They're 14-14 but they've played at a level that projects closer to 39 wins I'd guess. They've been slightly outscored by their opponents and have had an easier than average schedule so far (opponent winning% .473). That's the 4th easiest schedule in the league right now.
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12/20/2015  4:08 PM
fishmike wrote:I expect more ups and downs but at 14-14 and 30ish games in we are seeing a couple things that will critical to this making the playoffs in a very deep East where its prob going to take 45 wins to get in, and it could be higher.

1) Melo is 31 years young. Im not an NBA player, but Ive had a major knee reconstruction and played sports from 21-39. If an age sticks out at me as my best it was 31.... I still had the leftovers of 20's athleticism but the start of my 30's maturity. A perfect mix. We have heard the quotes and stories about Melo changing his game after his long time off and that's nice... some nights we have seen it more than others. The most promising thing was the bouncy athleticism Melo showed last night. On the 2nd night of a b2b (soft one, granted) he was beating good defenders like Butler right off the dribble for layups. He was showing that great 2nd leap, which was once one of the best in the league. An alley oop? Those are some huge signs for this team, because that is the Melo that can carry a team for month while the team goes 12-4. That's that POTM Melo, that we last saw two years ago when he almost single handedly turned that season around to get that team into the post season.

2) KP is tough. Of all the wonderful things we have seen from this player the one that tells me most is when he rips down a board in traffic and moves those arms as to say if you want to try and rip this ball out of my grip your arms are coming out of their sockets. Durability has yet to be addressed but he certainly knows how to translate his length and quickness into physical play. He TODAY possess bot a power game and a finesse game.

What we have seen the last 4 games is the rest of the team feeding off this dynamic duo. KOQ is cleaning up. Galloway is flying around doing his thing and AA has the deep skill set to take advantage of the space those two are creating.

why is making the playoffs that important?

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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12/20/2015  4:45 PM
dk7th wrote:
fishmike wrote:I expect more ups and downs but at 14-14 and 30ish games in we are seeing a couple things that will critical to this making the playoffs in a very deep East where its prob going to take 45 wins to get in, and it could be higher.

1) Melo is 31 years young. Im not an NBA player, but Ive had a major knee reconstruction and played sports from 21-39. If an age sticks out at me as my best it was 31.... I still had the leftovers of 20's athleticism but the start of my 30's maturity. A perfect mix. We have heard the quotes and stories about Melo changing his game after his long time off and that's nice... some nights we have seen it more than others. The most promising thing was the bouncy athleticism Melo showed last night. On the 2nd night of a b2b (soft one, granted) he was beating good defenders like Butler right off the dribble for layups. He was showing that great 2nd leap, which was once one of the best in the league. An alley oop? Those are some huge signs for this team, because that is the Melo that can carry a team for month while the team goes 12-4. That's that POTM Melo, that we last saw two years ago when he almost single handedly turned that season around to get that team into the post season.

2) KP is tough. Of all the wonderful things we have seen from this player the one that tells me most is when he rips down a board in traffic and moves those arms as to say if you want to try and rip this ball out of my grip your arms are coming out of their sockets. Durability has yet to be addressed but he certainly knows how to translate his length and quickness into physical play. He TODAY possess bot a power game and a finesse game.

What we have seen the last 4 games is the rest of the team feeding off this dynamic duo. KOQ is cleaning up. Galloway is flying around doing his thing and AA has the deep skill set to take advantage of the space those two are creating.

why is making the playoffs that important?

I think trying to make the playoffs is very important for the players. I am sure that the team has goals and making the playoffs is one of them.
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12/20/2015  5:04 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
fishmike wrote:I expect more ups and downs but at 14-14 and 30ish games in we are seeing a couple things that will critical to this making the playoffs in a very deep East where its prob going to take 45 wins to get in, and it could be higher.

1) Melo is 31 years young. Im not an NBA player, but Ive had a major knee reconstruction and played sports from 21-39. If an age sticks out at me as my best it was 31.... I still had the leftovers of 20's athleticism but the start of my 30's maturity. A perfect mix. We have heard the quotes and stories about Melo changing his game after his long time off and that's nice... some nights we have seen it more than others. The most promising thing was the bouncy athleticism Melo showed last night. On the 2nd night of a b2b (soft one, granted) he was beating good defenders like Butler right off the dribble for layups. He was showing that great 2nd leap, which was once one of the best in the league. An alley oop? Those are some huge signs for this team, because that is the Melo that can carry a team for month while the team goes 12-4. That's that POTM Melo, that we last saw two years ago when he almost single handedly turned that season around to get that team into the post season.

2) KP is tough. Of all the wonderful things we have seen from this player the one that tells me most is when he rips down a board in traffic and moves those arms as to say if you want to try and rip this ball out of my grip your arms are coming out of their sockets. Durability has yet to be addressed but he certainly knows how to translate his length and quickness into physical play. He TODAY possess bot a power game and a finesse game.

What we have seen the last 4 games is the rest of the team feeding off this dynamic duo. KOQ is cleaning up. Galloway is flying around doing his thing and AA has the deep skill set to take advantage of the space those two are creating.

why is making the playoffs that important?

I think trying to make the playoffs is very important for the players. I am sure that the team has goals and making the playoffs is one of them.

maybe the players, but not fisher and jackson. fisher has made it pretty clear that the goal is not how many wins they get but how the team plays and develops into a cohesive unit with a bedrock culture that will last for years and years. if it were not for kp6 i doubt the playoffs are even being discussed.

do you think we are in "win-now" mode? i cannot make an assessment of this team until it has played 50 games.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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12/20/2015  5:45 PM
A lot of players are playing well at the same time.

Galloway has been impressive lately with some really nice moves and high IQ plays. Affalo hits shots at times we need it. D.Williams and KOQ are getting back to pre season form being aggressive.

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12/20/2015  5:46 PM
dk7th wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
fishmike wrote:I expect more ups and downs but at 14-14 and 30ish games in we are seeing a couple things that will critical to this making the playoffs in a very deep East where its prob going to take 45 wins to get in, and it could be higher.

1) Melo is 31 years young. Im not an NBA player, but Ive had a major knee reconstruction and played sports from 21-39. If an age sticks out at me as my best it was 31.... I still had the leftovers of 20's athleticism but the start of my 30's maturity. A perfect mix. We have heard the quotes and stories about Melo changing his game after his long time off and that's nice... some nights we have seen it more than others. The most promising thing was the bouncy athleticism Melo showed last night. On the 2nd night of a b2b (soft one, granted) he was beating good defenders like Butler right off the dribble for layups. He was showing that great 2nd leap, which was once one of the best in the league. An alley oop? Those are some huge signs for this team, because that is the Melo that can carry a team for month while the team goes 12-4. That's that POTM Melo, that we last saw two years ago when he almost single handedly turned that season around to get that team into the post season.

2) KP is tough. Of all the wonderful things we have seen from this player the one that tells me most is when he rips down a board in traffic and moves those arms as to say if you want to try and rip this ball out of my grip your arms are coming out of their sockets. Durability has yet to be addressed but he certainly knows how to translate his length and quickness into physical play. He TODAY possess bot a power game and a finesse game.

What we have seen the last 4 games is the rest of the team feeding off this dynamic duo. KOQ is cleaning up. Galloway is flying around doing his thing and AA has the deep skill set to take advantage of the space those two are creating.

why is making the playoffs that important?

I think trying to make the playoffs is very important for the players. I am sure that the team has goals and making the playoffs is one of them.

maybe the players, but not fisher and jackson. fisher has made it pretty clear that the goal is not how many wins they get but how the team plays and develops into a cohesive unit with a bedrock culture that will last for years and years. if it were not for kp6 i doubt the playoffs are even being discussed.

do you think we are in "win-now" mode? i cannot make an assessment of this team until it has played 50 games.

You have spoken with Fisher and Jackson? Winning games is always the goal. Remember that's why we picked 4th and not first. Tell me what you see or have heard from Fisher or PHil for that matter that indicates there is any intention above winning as many games as they can. Crazy talk.. this is pro sports. We aren't Phili
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12/20/2015  5:55 PM
fishmike wrote:
dk7th wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
fishmike wrote:I expect more ups and downs but at 14-14 and 30ish games in we are seeing a couple things that will critical to this making the playoffs in a very deep East where its prob going to take 45 wins to get in, and it could be higher.

1) Melo is 31 years young. Im not an NBA player, but Ive had a major knee reconstruction and played sports from 21-39. If an age sticks out at me as my best it was 31.... I still had the leftovers of 20's athleticism but the start of my 30's maturity. A perfect mix. We have heard the quotes and stories about Melo changing his game after his long time off and that's nice... some nights we have seen it more than others. The most promising thing was the bouncy athleticism Melo showed last night. On the 2nd night of a b2b (soft one, granted) he was beating good defenders like Butler right off the dribble for layups. He was showing that great 2nd leap, which was once one of the best in the league. An alley oop? Those are some huge signs for this team, because that is the Melo that can carry a team for month while the team goes 12-4. That's that POTM Melo, that we last saw two years ago when he almost single handedly turned that season around to get that team into the post season.

2) KP is tough. Of all the wonderful things we have seen from this player the one that tells me most is when he rips down a board in traffic and moves those arms as to say if you want to try and rip this ball out of my grip your arms are coming out of their sockets. Durability has yet to be addressed but he certainly knows how to translate his length and quickness into physical play. He TODAY possess bot a power game and a finesse game.

What we have seen the last 4 games is the rest of the team feeding off this dynamic duo. KOQ is cleaning up. Galloway is flying around doing his thing and AA has the deep skill set to take advantage of the space those two are creating.

why is making the playoffs that important?

I think trying to make the playoffs is very important for the players. I am sure that the team has goals and making the playoffs is one of them.

maybe the players, but not fisher and jackson. fisher has made it pretty clear that the goal is not how many wins they get but how the team plays and develops into a cohesive unit with a bedrock culture that will last for years and years. if it were not for kp6 i doubt the playoffs are even being discussed.

do you think we are in "win-now" mode? i cannot make an assessment of this team until it has played 50 games.

You have spoken with Fisher and Jackson? Winning games is always the goal. Remember that's why we picked 4th and not first. Tell me what you see or have heard from Fisher or PHil for that matter that indicates there is any intention above winning as many games as they can. Crazy talk.. this is pro sports. We aren't Phili

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/17/sports/basketball/new-york-knicks-build-big-lead-over-minnesota-timberwolves-before-they-nearly-get-lulled-into-a-loss.html

“We just continue to reinforce the message that the score doesn’t really matter at the end of the day,” Coach Derek Fisher said. “It’s how you’re playing possession to possession. What decisions are you making? Are you still taking good shots?”

By inference, since the coach is reinforcing that the final score does not matter (no doubt he is on the same page as the president), then neither does the win-loss record.

Hard to spin this any other way but have at it

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
Im sticking with 45wins, and the physical status of our forwards are getting us there

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