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martin
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11/30/2015  3:24 PM
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mreinman
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11/30/2015  3:25 PM
would love to hear the reasoning behind this and what went on in practice to facilitate this move.
so here is what phil is thinking ....
dk7th
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11/30/2015  3:27 PM
since he can't get minutes at msg he might as well be kept sharp elsewhere.
knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
fitzfarm
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11/30/2015  3:27 PM
Trade coming?
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11/30/2015  3:30 PM
fitzfarm wrote:Trade coming?

Don't think there is any scenario that an assignment to the D league helps/hurts/facilitates a trade.

Gotta be to get him minutes.

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11/30/2015  3:32 PM
Might be for a few games?
or is it.....

JIMMER TIME!!!!!
mreinman
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11/30/2015  3:34 PM
Nalod wrote:Might be for a few games?
or is it.....

JIMMER TIME!!!!!

cue the "why the phuque our coached is not playing Jimmer, a proven winner?" threads

so here is what phil is thinking ....
dk7th
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11/30/2015  3:39 PM
i didn't realize fredette was a knick. big club could use another shooter off the bench.
knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
mreinman
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11/30/2015  3:40 PM
dk7th wrote:i didn't realize fredette was a knick. big club could use another shooter off the bench.

we need a penetrator. Can he do that? Is he fast enough? Or do we just have a younger less efficient calderon?

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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11/30/2015  3:41 PM
Andrew wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:Trade coming?

Don't think there is any scenario that an assignment to the D league helps/hurts/facilitates a trade.

Gotta be to get him minutes.

He's stuck in a #s crunch.... this. Its only his 2nd year... this isnt earth shattering.
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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11/30/2015  3:43 PM
again with the "penetrator" thing???

Jimmer is penetrating just fine!
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11/30/2015  3:43 PM
i hope the idea is to get him more game time minutes.
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Knicks1969
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11/30/2015  3:47 PM
mreinman wrote:would love to hear the reasoning behind this and what went on in practice to facilitate this move.

The answer is: Sasha. I heard him and Fisher are roommates::))

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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11/30/2015  3:48 PM
mreinman wrote:
dk7th wrote:i didn't realize fredette was a knick. big club could use another shooter off the bench.

we need a penetrator. Can he do that? Is he fast enough? Or do we just have a younger less efficient calderon?

the putative point position in the triangle does not necessarily need the ability to break down defenses but should be able to make good entry passes to a post player and be able to hit the corner three. think about fisher's role in los angeles. think about the bulls guards before fisher. none had the ability to break down defenses. fisher made an entry pass and often was in the right corner in the triangle. he made a living hitting the corner three.

the bigger issue for fredette is can he defend at the nba levels against other bench guards. if fredette is called up i think he is going to eat into grant's minutes. i love grant's potential but he isn't triangle ready because he can't hit a corner three. he has three threes this season, one notable one last night, notable because they are so infrequent.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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11/30/2015  3:50 PM
Nalod wrote:again with the "penetrator" thing???

Jimmer is penetrating just fine!



Can we assume that her next book will be Life on the Down Low, or something similar?
EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
mreinman
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11/30/2015  3:52 PM
dk7th wrote:
mreinman wrote:
dk7th wrote:i didn't realize fredette was a knick. big club could use another shooter off the bench.

we need a penetrator. Can he do that? Is he fast enough? Or do we just have a younger less efficient calderon?

the putative point position in the triangle does not necessarily need the ability to break down defenses but should be able to make good entry passes to a post player and be able to hit the corner three. think about fisher's role in los angeles. think about the bulls guards before fisher. none had the ability to break down defenses. fisher made an entry pass and often was in the right corner in the triangle. he made a living hitting the corner three.

the bigger issue for fredette is can he defend at the nba levels against other bench guards. if fredette is called up i think he is going to eat into grant's minutes. i love grant's potential but he isn't triangle ready because he can't hit a corner three. he has three threes this season, one notable one last night, notable because they are so infrequent.

Fisher had Kobe and some damn good pick men too. You think that jose can't throw an entry pass? He has a very very high bball IQ. He can beat the pressure defense.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
dk7th
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11/30/2015  4:07 PM
mreinman wrote:
dk7th wrote:
mreinman wrote:
dk7th wrote:i didn't realize fredette was a knick. big club could use another shooter off the bench.

we need a penetrator. Can he do that? Is he fast enough? Or do we just have a younger less efficient calderon?

the putative point position in the triangle does not necessarily need the ability to break down defenses but should be able to make good entry passes to a post player and be able to hit the corner three. think about fisher's role in los angeles. think about the bulls guards before fisher. none had the ability to break down defenses. fisher made an entry pass and often was in the right corner in the triangle. he made a living hitting the corner three.

the bigger issue for fredette is can he defend at the nba levels against other bench guards. if fredette is called up i think he is going to eat into grant's minutes. i love grant's potential but he isn't triangle ready because he can't hit a corner three. he has three threes this season, one notable one last night, notable because they are so infrequent.

Fisher had Kobe and some damn good pick men too. You think that jose can't throw an entry pass? He has a very very high bball IQ. He can beat the pressure defense.

how can you infer this from my post? i merely said the point guard in the triangle does not need penetrating, drive and kick ability. it's actually counterproductive in the triangle because the offense is supposed to radiate out from the players in the post. it's nice that grant has the ability to drive and kick/finish but in the triangle these skills are secondary to making good entry passes, hitting corner threes, working a pick and roll/pop game.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
mreinman
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11/30/2015  4:13 PM
dk7th wrote:
mreinman wrote:
dk7th wrote:
mreinman wrote:
dk7th wrote:i didn't realize fredette was a knick. big club could use another shooter off the bench.

we need a penetrator. Can he do that? Is he fast enough? Or do we just have a younger less efficient calderon?

the putative point position in the triangle does not necessarily need the ability to break down defenses but should be able to make good entry passes to a post player and be able to hit the corner three. think about fisher's role in los angeles. think about the bulls guards before fisher. none had the ability to break down defenses. fisher made an entry pass and often was in the right corner in the triangle. he made a living hitting the corner three.

the bigger issue for fredette is can he defend at the nba levels against other bench guards. if fredette is called up i think he is going to eat into grant's minutes. i love grant's potential but he isn't triangle ready because he can't hit a corner three. he has three threes this season, one notable one last night, notable because they are so infrequent.

Fisher had Kobe and some damn good pick men too. You think that jose can't throw an entry pass? He has a very very high bball IQ. He can beat the pressure defense.

how can you infer this from my post? i merely said the point guard in the triangle does not need penetrating, drive and kick ability. it's actually counterproductive in the triangle because the offense is supposed to radiate out from the players in the post. it's nice that grant has the ability to drive and kick/finish but in the triangle these skills are secondary to making good entry passes, hitting corner threes, working a pick and roll/pop game.

why do you think that jose is not working?

so here is what phil is thinking ....
broadwaystorm
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11/30/2015  4:17 PM
With him and Jimmer well win the D-League.

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GustavBahler
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11/30/2015  4:30 PM
Early needs to go to a team the runs a lot more. Hope he blows up in D-league so the Knicks can package him in a deal for another shooter, in case Afflalo runs out of gas before the season is over.
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