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mreinman
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11/30/2015  1:37 PM
Another guy that knick fans love to hate is killing it this year. Something was wrong with him last year and now he is shooting the way he was expected to shoot when Cleveland got him.

TS = 60!

(touch under) 20 points 12 rebounds in only 34 minutes per game.

Shooting 40% from 3 taking 7 a game!

WS48 of 213 which is fabulous and elite.

Very few mid range shots and 46% of his shots are 3's. He is perfect for Lebron.

Cleveland seems to be running a smart offense taking smart shots. GS and cleveland really stay away from the mid range shots.

I think that its important for KP to have a mid range game but we really need guards or players that can penetrate so that he can be a modern stretch 4 and cause heavy mismatches. KP can't get an open 3 because we don't have anyone who can create one for him now.

We can really learn a lot from cleveland and GS.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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11/30/2015  1:43 PM
Still was a stupid trade.
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11/30/2015  1:45 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:Still was a stupid trade.

not if they win.

wiggins is not gonna do for lebron what love is doing.

after lebron retires, nobody will care and they will probably suck regardless.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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11/30/2015  1:46 PM
mreinman wrote:Another guy that knick fans love to hate is killing it this year. Something was wrong with him last year and now he is shooting the way he was expected to shoot when Cleveland got him.

TS = 60!

(touch under) 20 points 12 rebounds in only 34 minutes per game.

Shooting 40% from 3 taking 7 a game!

WS48 of 213 which is fabulous and elite.

Very few mid range shots and 46% of his shots are 3's. He is perfect for Lebron.

Cleveland seems to be running a smart offense taking smart shots. GS and cleveland really stay away from the mid range shots.

I think that its important for KP to have a mid range game but we really need guards or players that can penetrate so that he can be a modern stretch 4 and cause heavy mismatches. KP can't get an open 3 because we don't have anyone who can create one for him now.

We can really learn a lot from cleveland and GS.

What I learn is that it would be great to have a James or Curry on my team.

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11/30/2015  1:47 PM
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mreinman wrote:Another guy that knick fans love to hate is killing it this year. Something was wrong with him last year and now he is shooting the way he was expected to shoot when Cleveland got him.

TS = 60!

(touch under) 20 points 12 rebounds in only 34 minutes per game.

Shooting 40% from 3 taking 7 a game!

WS48 of 213 which is fabulous and elite.

Very few mid range shots and 46% of his shots are 3's. He is perfect for Lebron.

Cleveland seems to be running a smart offense taking smart shots. GS and cleveland really stay away from the mid range shots.

I think that its important for KP to have a mid range game but we really need guards or players that can penetrate so that he can be a modern stretch 4 and cause heavy mismatches. KP can't get an open 3 because we don't have anyone who can create one for him now.

We can really learn a lot from cleveland and GS.

What I learn is that it would be great to have a James or Curry on my team.

and dray and klove and lots of other guys.

what I also see is that team play made curry a much better player.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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11/30/2015  1:53 PM
mreinman wrote:Another guy that knick fans love to hate is killing it this year. Something was wrong with him last year and now he is shooting the way he was expected to shoot when Cleveland got him.

TS = 60!

(touch under) 20 points 12 rebounds in only 34 minutes per game.

Shooting 40% from 3 taking 7 a game!

WS48 of 213 which is fabulous and elite.

Very few mid range shots and 46% of his shots are 3's. He is perfect for Lebron.

Cleveland seems to be running a smart offense taking smart shots. GS and cleveland really stay away from the mid range shots.

I think that its important for KP to have a mid range game but we really need guards or players that can penetrate so that he can be a modern stretch 4 and cause heavy mismatches. KP can't get an open 3 because we don't have anyone who can create one for him now.

We can really learn a lot from cleveland and GS.

Can we learn anything from San Antonio? They look pretty good with their slow offense, long 2s and they dont have one of the two best players in the league
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11/30/2015  1:55 PM
KLove's two games against KP this year:

2-10fg 7pts

4-13fg 11pts

average: 9ppg on 26% field goal percentage

¿ △ ?
mreinman
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11/30/2015  1:57 PM
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:Another guy that knick fans love to hate is killing it this year. Something was wrong with him last year and now he is shooting the way he was expected to shoot when Cleveland got him.

TS = 60!

(touch under) 20 points 12 rebounds in only 34 minutes per game.

Shooting 40% from 3 taking 7 a game!

WS48 of 213 which is fabulous and elite.

Very few mid range shots and 46% of his shots are 3's. He is perfect for Lebron.

Cleveland seems to be running a smart offense taking smart shots. GS and cleveland really stay away from the mid range shots.

I think that its important for KP to have a mid range game but we really need guards or players that can penetrate so that he can be a modern stretch 4 and cause heavy mismatches. KP can't get an open 3 because we don't have anyone who can create one for him now.

We can really learn a lot from cleveland and GS.

Can we learn anything from San Antonio? They look pretty good with their slow offense, long 2s and they dont have one of the two best players in the league

San Antonio has 2 stars who can't shoot the 3 and that shoot at an abnormal level (like wade) from the mid range. Hard to build to this mold.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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11/30/2015  1:59 PM
crzymdups wrote:KLove's two games against KP this year:

2-10fg 7pts

4-13fg 11pts

average: 9ppg on 26% field goal percentage

fortunately for him, he does not have to go against KP and most players can't guard him when he stretches. Same should be said one day for KP.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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11/30/2015  1:59 PM
mreinman wrote:
crzymdups wrote:KLove's two games against KP this year:

2-10fg 7pts

4-13fg 11pts

average: 9ppg on 26% field goal percentage

fortunately for him, he does not have to go against KP and most players can't guard him when he stretches. Same should be said one day for KP.

huh? KP was guarding him and shut him down, one of the reasons the Knicks built a lead in each game until Lebron took over.

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mreinman
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11/30/2015  2:02 PM
crzymdups wrote:
mreinman wrote:
crzymdups wrote:KLove's two games against KP this year:

2-10fg 7pts

4-13fg 11pts

average: 9ppg on 26% field goal percentage

fortunately for him, he does not have to go against KP and most players can't guard him when he stretches. Same should be said one day for KP.

huh? KP was guarding him and shut him down, one of the reasons the Knicks built a lead in each game until Lebron took over.

right. So either he was having a bad game(s) or he does not do well against a really good defender who can actually guard a stretch big. How many players can do that?

Also, how much did it help that he pulled KP away from the basket?

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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11/30/2015  2:10 PM
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newyorknewyork wrote:Still was a stupid trade.

not if they win.

wiggins is not gonna do for lebron what love is doing.

after lebron retires, nobody will care and they will probably suck regardless.

They had to trade for Shump at Jr Smith because they were so weak on the wing which wouldn't have had to happen if they kept Wiggins. #2 the money they would have saved from Love's contract could have landed them another stud or multiple more quality players. They could have built a loaded team with dynasty potential and potential to keep the train going after Lebron retired.

With Triston Thomas and Varejeo who got injured and became Mozgov. They would have looked for a stretch 4/5 while keeping Wiggins and without having to pay 20mil per for.(Guessing on his salary)

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11/30/2015  2:13 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
mreinman wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:Still was a stupid trade.

not if they win.

wiggins is not gonna do for lebron what love is doing.

after lebron retires, nobody will care and they will probably suck regardless.

They had to trade for Shump at Jr Smith because they were so weak on the wing which wouldn't have had to happen if they kept Wiggins. #2 the money they would have saved from Love's contract could have landed them another stud or multiple more quality players. They could have built a loaded team with dynasty potential and potential to keep the train going after Lebron retired.

With Triston Thomas and Varejeo who got injured and became Mozgov. They would have looked for a stretch 4/5 while keeping Wiggins and without having to pay 20mil per for.(Guessing on his salary)

for the future, maybe. For now, they seem to have the right player.

If love does not get hurt last season against dirty boston then they have a good chance to win it all.

Is the money a gamble? Yes it is.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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11/30/2015  2:19 PM
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:Another guy that knick fans love to hate is killing it this year. Something was wrong with him last year and now he is shooting the way he was expected to shoot when Cleveland got him.

TS = 60!

(touch under) 20 points 12 rebounds in only 34 minutes per game.

Shooting 40% from 3 taking 7 a game!

WS48 of 213 which is fabulous and elite.

Very few mid range shots and 46% of his shots are 3's. He is perfect for Lebron.

Cleveland seems to be running a smart offense taking smart shots. GS and cleveland really stay away from the mid range shots.

I think that its important for KP to have a mid range game but we really need guards or players that can penetrate so that he can be a modern stretch 4 and cause heavy mismatches. KP can't get an open 3 because we don't have anyone who can create one for him now.

We can really learn a lot from cleveland and GS.

Can we learn anything from San Antonio? They look pretty good with their slow offense, long 2s and they dont have one of the two best players in the league

San Antonio has 2 stars who can't shoot the 3 and that shoot at an abnormal level (like wade) from the mid range. Hard to build to this mold.

equally hard to build to a mold that is built around Lebron or Curry, not only the two best players in the league but perhaps two of the most unique to ever play the game. I mean Lebron is Magic on roids and Curry is the best shooter to ever play the game.

In any case very nice to see Love's #s vs. KP.

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11/30/2015  2:25 PM
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:Another guy that knick fans love to hate is killing it this year. Something was wrong with him last year and now he is shooting the way he was expected to shoot when Cleveland got him.

TS = 60!

(touch under) 20 points 12 rebounds in only 34 minutes per game.

Shooting 40% from 3 taking 7 a game!

WS48 of 213 which is fabulous and elite.

Very few mid range shots and 46% of his shots are 3's. He is perfect for Lebron.

Cleveland seems to be running a smart offense taking smart shots. GS and cleveland really stay away from the mid range shots.

I think that its important for KP to have a mid range game but we really need guards or players that can penetrate so that he can be a modern stretch 4 and cause heavy mismatches. KP can't get an open 3 because we don't have anyone who can create one for him now.

We can really learn a lot from cleveland and GS.

Can we learn anything from San Antonio? They look pretty good with their slow offense, long 2s and they dont have one of the two best players in the league

San Antonio has 2 stars who can't shoot the 3 and that shoot at an abnormal level (like wade) from the mid range. Hard to build to this mold.

equally hard to build to a mold that is built around Lebron or Curry, not only the two best players in the league but perhaps two of the most unique to ever play the game. I mean Lebron is Magic on roids and Curry is the best shooter to ever play the game.

In any case very nice to see Love's #s vs. KP.

extremely nice!

Its obvious that teams are building more to the GS and Cleveland molds than to the SA mold. SA has guys that can shoot 3's and take a lot of them and guys who just can't and who are still efficient from other areas. Not a common scenario. Wade is the same. He can't shoot the 3 but you are not going to groom guys to be Wade since he (his game) was created partly because of a short coming.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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11/30/2015  2:53 PM
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:Another guy that knick fans love to hate is killing it this year. Something was wrong with him last year and now he is shooting the way he was expected to shoot when Cleveland got him.

TS = 60!

(touch under) 20 points 12 rebounds in only 34 minutes per game.

Shooting 40% from 3 taking 7 a game!

WS48 of 213 which is fabulous and elite.

Very few mid range shots and 46% of his shots are 3's. He is perfect for Lebron.

Cleveland seems to be running a smart offense taking smart shots. GS and cleveland really stay away from the mid range shots.

I think that its important for KP to have a mid range game but we really need guards or players that can penetrate so that he can be a modern stretch 4 and cause heavy mismatches. KP can't get an open 3 because we don't have anyone who can create one for him now.

We can really learn a lot from cleveland and GS.

Can we learn anything from San Antonio? They look pretty good with their slow offense, long 2s and they dont have one of the two best players in the league

San Antonio has 2 stars who can't shoot the 3 and that shoot at an abnormal level (like wade) from the mid range. Hard to build to this mold.

equally hard to build to a mold that is built around Lebron or Curry, not only the two best players in the league but perhaps two of the most unique to ever play the game. I mean Lebron is Magic on roids and Curry is the best shooter to ever play the game.

In any case very nice to see Love's #s vs. KP.


Does SA shoot more mid range shots than the average team? I'm interested in the data on that.
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11/30/2015  3:08 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:Another guy that knick fans love to hate is killing it this year. Something was wrong with him last year and now he is shooting the way he was expected to shoot when Cleveland got him.

TS = 60!

(touch under) 20 points 12 rebounds in only 34 minutes per game.

Shooting 40% from 3 taking 7 a game!

WS48 of 213 which is fabulous and elite.

Very few mid range shots and 46% of his shots are 3's. He is perfect for Lebron.

Cleveland seems to be running a smart offense taking smart shots. GS and cleveland really stay away from the mid range shots.

I think that its important for KP to have a mid range game but we really need guards or players that can penetrate so that he can be a modern stretch 4 and cause heavy mismatches. KP can't get an open 3 because we don't have anyone who can create one for him now.

We can really learn a lot from cleveland and GS.

Can we learn anything from San Antonio? They look pretty good with their slow offense, long 2s and they dont have one of the two best players in the league

San Antonio has 2 stars who can't shoot the 3 and that shoot at an abnormal level (like wade) from the mid range. Hard to build to this mold.

equally hard to build to a mold that is built around Lebron or Curry, not only the two best players in the league but perhaps two of the most unique to ever play the game. I mean Lebron is Magic on roids and Curry is the best shooter to ever play the game.

In any case very nice to see Love's #s vs. KP.


Does SA shoot more mid range shots than the average team? I'm interested in the data on that.

yes. About 10% more. Mostly because Duncan and Parker can't shoot the 3.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2016.html?lid=header_seasons

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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11/30/2015  3:14 PM
mreinman wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:Another guy that knick fans love to hate is killing it this year. Something was wrong with him last year and now he is shooting the way he was expected to shoot when Cleveland got him.

TS = 60!

(touch under) 20 points 12 rebounds in only 34 minutes per game.

Shooting 40% from 3 taking 7 a game!

WS48 of 213 which is fabulous and elite.

Very few mid range shots and 46% of his shots are 3's. He is perfect for Lebron.

Cleveland seems to be running a smart offense taking smart shots. GS and cleveland really stay away from the mid range shots.

I think that its important for KP to have a mid range game but we really need guards or players that can penetrate so that he can be a modern stretch 4 and cause heavy mismatches. KP can't get an open 3 because we don't have anyone who can create one for him now.

We can really learn a lot from cleveland and GS.

Can we learn anything from San Antonio? They look pretty good with their slow offense, long 2s and they dont have one of the two best players in the league

San Antonio has 2 stars who can't shoot the 3 and that shoot at an abnormal level (like wade) from the mid range. Hard to build to this mold.

equally hard to build to a mold that is built around Lebron or Curry, not only the two best players in the league but perhaps two of the most unique to ever play the game. I mean Lebron is Magic on roids and Curry is the best shooter to ever play the game.

In any case very nice to see Love's #s vs. KP.


Does SA shoot more mid range shots than the average team? I'm interested in the data on that.

yes. About 10% more. Mostly because Duncan and Parker can't shoot the 3.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2016.html?lid=header_seasons


Good find. Their offense is OK (nowhere near GSW) but they're mostly winning because their defense is top of the league.
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11/30/2015  3:21 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:Another guy that knick fans love to hate is killing it this year. Something was wrong with him last year and now he is shooting the way he was expected to shoot when Cleveland got him.

TS = 60!

(touch under) 20 points 12 rebounds in only 34 minutes per game.

Shooting 40% from 3 taking 7 a game!

WS48 of 213 which is fabulous and elite.

Very few mid range shots and 46% of his shots are 3's. He is perfect for Lebron.

Cleveland seems to be running a smart offense taking smart shots. GS and cleveland really stay away from the mid range shots.

I think that its important for KP to have a mid range game but we really need guards or players that can penetrate so that he can be a modern stretch 4 and cause heavy mismatches. KP can't get an open 3 because we don't have anyone who can create one for him now.

We can really learn a lot from cleveland and GS.

Can we learn anything from San Antonio? They look pretty good with their slow offense, long 2s and they dont have one of the two best players in the league

San Antonio has 2 stars who can't shoot the 3 and that shoot at an abnormal level (like wade) from the mid range. Hard to build to this mold.

equally hard to build to a mold that is built around Lebron or Curry, not only the two best players in the league but perhaps two of the most unique to ever play the game. I mean Lebron is Magic on roids and Curry is the best shooter to ever play the game.

In any case very nice to see Love's #s vs. KP.


Does SA shoot more mid range shots than the average team? I'm interested in the data on that.
Spurs are #2 in shots from 10-16, #3 in shots 16-3pt and #27 in 3's taken. Note those are %s of shots taken, not the totals but you get the idea.

Spurs take more long 2's combined than any other teams (#2 and #3), fewer 3s than most every team (#27) and are behind only the Warriors for winning %

Are we learning yet? There is no metric that translates into a winning formula. Blanket statements like long 2's are bad, or "the whole league is trending this way" simply arent true. SA courted a guy that shoots mostly long 2s in Aldridge. He's #s are down from his career but that team sure does look pretty good. Good basketball starts with good looks and good shots.

Now if your like Houston and are hell bent on this style you also build your team accordingly, which means guys who are willing to jack 3s all day. Suprised Morey hasnt signed Atoine yet ;)

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11/30/2015  3:23 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:Another guy that knick fans love to hate is killing it this year. Something was wrong with him last year and now he is shooting the way he was expected to shoot when Cleveland got him.

TS = 60!

(touch under) 20 points 12 rebounds in only 34 minutes per game.

Shooting 40% from 3 taking 7 a game!

WS48 of 213 which is fabulous and elite.

Very few mid range shots and 46% of his shots are 3's. He is perfect for Lebron.

Cleveland seems to be running a smart offense taking smart shots. GS and cleveland really stay away from the mid range shots.

I think that its important for KP to have a mid range game but we really need guards or players that can penetrate so that he can be a modern stretch 4 and cause heavy mismatches. KP can't get an open 3 because we don't have anyone who can create one for him now.

We can really learn a lot from cleveland and GS.

Can we learn anything from San Antonio? They look pretty good with their slow offense, long 2s and they dont have one of the two best players in the league

San Antonio has 2 stars who can't shoot the 3 and that shoot at an abnormal level (like wade) from the mid range. Hard to build to this mold.

equally hard to build to a mold that is built around Lebron or Curry, not only the two best players in the league but perhaps two of the most unique to ever play the game. I mean Lebron is Magic on roids and Curry is the best shooter to ever play the game.

In any case very nice to see Love's #s vs. KP.


Does SA shoot more mid range shots than the average team? I'm interested in the data on that.

yes. About 10% more. Mostly because Duncan and Parker can't shoot the 3.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2016.html?lid=header_seasons


Good find. Their offense is OK (nowhere near GSW) but they're mostly winning because their defense is top of the league.
and when you control the boards and slow the pace 33% from three sure as hell does NOT equal 50% from two
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