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I agree with wade about kp, teams don't know yet
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knicks1248
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11/23/2015  3:33 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/23/2015  3:35 PM
“Pay attention to him — that’s really it,’’ Bosh said. “He deserves the attention. Most from what I see on the film is guys not paying attention to him. He can play basketball. I don’t know why. Just challenge him. He’ll hit tough shots, but we can’t allow him to get easy buckets. He’s really good at the elbow area. I see a lot of people fall asleep on the elbow area and it allows him to get catch-and-shoots. We got to pay close attention to him.

I remember the Heat setting the blue print on how to stop Lin, his ride crashed landed in Miami that season

“He’s a rookie,’’ Wade said of why Porzingis is open a lot. “It takes a little time for a team and individuals to get on him. Right now Melo gets a lot of it, we have to plan for [Arron] Afflalo, guys who have been in this league. Maybe he’s been an afterthought. But he won’t be for long. No doubt about it. He’s really making waves around the league. It’s not just ESPN highlights. He’s putting up big numbers, playing big. He’s young, takes time for someone to plan for a rookie.’’

He's right, when you start posting those kind of numbers, teams will start to game plan around you. But what wade doesn't realize unless you have seen him as much as we have, this dude (for his height) can put the ball on the floor in a heartbeat, and is one of the most athletic big man in this league has ever saw.

In summer league when teams played him close, he lived at the FT line.

Speaking of focus, Porzingis said if defenses start focusing more on him, it will open things up for Anthony.

“Hopefully it will take a little more pressure off of Melo,’’ Porzingis said. “He’ll be a little more open. Most of the time he’s making situations for us and we’re wide open. … If I draw more attention from my defender, that makes other guys more open.’’

Wade says Porzingis deserves the hype.

“So many guys coming into the draft and see their potential, but never know if they’re able to reach it,’’ Wade said. “He’s done a great job in the toughest city for basketball. He’s a person you have to plan for every game — whether it’s scoring, offensive rebounding or shotblocking.’’

The guy can impact the game in so many ways, it doesn't matter what your game plan is, and his IQ is the highest in the draft. Cmon wade, teams game planned for your ass every night during your rookie campaign, and you still got yours..when you good your good.


Miami coach Erik Spoelstra said he attended Porzingis’ pre-draft workout in Las Vegas in June, but couldn’t tell much because there was no contact.

“I saw him shoot about 500 jump shots without contact,’’ Spoelstra said. “No live play. How do you evaluate something like that? What you did notice was incredible touch, extremely long, skilled basketball player who can get up and down the floor. But that’s not my skill set — evaluating something like that. He’s so big and long and you see him step behind the 3 like he’s a guard. It’s unique.’’

Stupid question to ask a guy who picked 10th, they never had shot at him, besides, the had bosh and whiteside

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11/23/2015  3:44 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/23/2015  3:46 PM
That is why players go through sophomore slumps. Teams learn your tendencies and until you have another summer to expand your game, teams are ready for you. However, I don't KP falls into that category for two reasons. First, KP's impact is both on offense and defense, and teams are not going to be prepared for facing a 7'3" guy until you actually face the 7'3" guy, no matter how much film you watch. Second, no one can block KP's shot. He can pull up and shoot over anyone, so paying him more attention is not going to stop his offense. Plus, if you pay KP more attention, then that means you are paying Melo less attention and Melo can then go off. That is the benefit of having two star players.
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11/23/2015  3:48 PM
Also I'd have to say wade obviously didn't watch the Houston gave cause KP was contested for most of the game he just shot over his opponent which is exactly what he can do vs bosh as well.... I don't see bosh doing well vs KP it's not like bosh can bully him around he's pretty skinny himself.. I actually like if bosh plays KP aggressively cause he's slow on his feet and will probably get into early foul trouble vs KP
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11/23/2015  3:54 PM
I posed a question on this board in a thread regarding KP's effectiveness once he gets more exposure in the league.

But the interesting thing about him is he seems dedicated to quickly adding new moves to his arsenal like that sky hook he can do with either hand, across the lane or off glass. When I heard about (and later saw) it, man... as a Abdul-Jabbar fan that gets me so excited. It's basically an unblockable shot.

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11/23/2015  3:56 PM
Yeah that Lin thing was overblown cuz we didn't really have much else. This time we have a FULL team and more than one threat. Also we played a PG dominated style at that time, but now we run a Motion Offense where everyone keeps moving and the ball is moving. It's much harder to focus on one player the way we play now. We don't even feature KP anyway!!! Heck if we did he'd put up even more points.
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11/23/2015  3:59 PM
fitzfarm wrote:Also I'd have to say wade obviously didn't watch the Houston gave cause KP was contested for most of the game he just shot over his opponent which is exactly what he can do vs bosh as well.... I don't see bosh doing well vs KP it's not like bosh can bully him around he's pretty skinny himself.. I actually like if bosh plays KP aggressively cause he's slow on his feet and will probably get into early foul trouble vs KP

His shooting stroke is pure from anywhere on the floor (hmm i can put that in a rap song..lol) they need not get it twisted, he's only at the elbow because our system leaves him open right there.

Someone said in the game thread why calderone hardly passes to kp on the PnR, it would be a turnover 80% of the time, teams are waiting for that pass for a kp mid range shot..Heads up to calderone for not forcing that, it's also why Afflo and galloway get really good looks.

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11/23/2015  4:03 PM
big difference... Linsanity was not sustainable.

I hope they pay GREAT attention to KP, and Melo drops 40. Thats really the whole point to KP, is you either focus on the other guys and he beats you or you defend him and leave Melo free. This is a much better TEAM. Really looking forward to this.

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11/23/2015  4:05 PM
His offensive game will be up and down for a couple of years. What we need from him is consistent impact on the defensive end, and to let the game come to him on the other end. I really don't expect 20 ppg consistently until at least year 3. What i would like is 8-12 rebs consistently and a couple of blocks however.
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11/23/2015  4:12 PM
I think we as fans should guard against believing it's all solved or that it will be in short order after facing opposing teams' adjustments. KP is likely to face some significant difficulties when they zero in on him. Like as in during an extended streak where perhaps he looks confounded or stymied. That said I do believe that he has the IQ and skills to overcome, but it's not yet a given. It's only 14 games into the season and his career. He will need to adjust and readjust, get stronger, learn the league. He hasn't done so yet. I believe he has what it takes but we can't be absolutely certain after such a small sample size. All signs point to success, however, given what he has shown us regarding his smarts, work ethic and fundamentals. Let's just not count our chickens, so to speak.
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11/23/2015  4:15 PM
What the Heat will do is "blitz" KP on the perimeter and play physical with him on the block. Whiteside will probably play him tight. The thing about Whiteside is that he is not as "disciplined" defender that you would want and might bite on the pump fakes on the perimeter particularly when KP sidesteps the close out.

We'll se if the plan works. But KP is smart and not a one trick pony.

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11/23/2015  4:17 PM
I look forward the game. Playoff teams are now taking us seriously. The knicks need to take their game to the next level.
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11/23/2015  4:29 PM
miami has a history of dirty play. i'm counting on the refs to call a tight game.
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11/23/2015  4:29 PM

1st off if knicks win in Miami, then KP wins!

They can put whiteside on him and KP can camp out and rain threes. if Whiteside comes out, he opens things up for others and for rebounding. with Jose finding his stroke and Aflalo playing well there are 4 shooters on the court. Go small with Seraphin and there are 5. Go Bosh, maybe he can stop him, maybe he gets in foul trouble. Haslem gonna put a body on him? That's cool. Just make sure he remembers to look up!!!!! KP is there too.

They can stop KP but that opens up other opportunities. Double KP can he pass out effectively.

Bring it Miami, the kid is a 20 year old rookie and needs the schooling. The sooner the better. Knicks win is all that matters.
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11/23/2015  4:55 PM
TheGame wrote:That is why players go through sophomore slumps. Teams learn your tendencies and until you have another summer to expand your game, teams are ready for you. However, I don't KP falls into that category for two reasons. First, KP's impact is both on offense and defense, and teams are not going to be prepared for facing a 7'3" guy until you actually face the 7'3" guy, no matter how much film you watch. Second, no one can block KP's shot. He can pull up and shoot over anyone, so paying him more attention is not going to stop his offense. Plus, if you pay KP more attention, then that means you are paying Melo less attention and Melo can then go off. That is the benefit of having two star players.

Great post! Too much chatter about this is Melo's team, this is KP's team, etc. Melo commands a double team and that makes things easier for KP and others. If people want to focus on KP more then they can't double Melo as much. That worked out well for OKC. Pick your poison.

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11/23/2015  5:05 PM
fishmike wrote:big difference... Linsanity was not sustainable.

I hope they pay GREAT attention to KP, and Melo drops 40. Thats really the whole point to KP, is you either focus on the other guys and he beats you or you defend him and leave Melo free. This is a much better TEAM. Really looking forward to this.

Bingo. And if they try to overplay Melo AND KP, there'll be a lot of open shots for Jose and Afflalo.

Looking forward to tonight's game.

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11/23/2015  5:09 PM
Miami has one of the better defenses in the league when I checked acouple of days ago. With that said if they pay attention to KP and Melo then Affalo can step up.
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11/23/2015  5:09 PM
crzymdups wrote:
fishmike wrote:big difference... Linsanity was not sustainable.

I hope they pay GREAT attention to KP, and Melo drops 40. Thats really the whole point to KP, is you either focus on the other guys and he beats you or you defend him and leave Melo free. This is a much better TEAM. Really looking forward to this.

Bingo. And if they try to overplay Melo AND KP, there'll be a lot of open shots for Jose and Afflalo.

Looking forward to tonight's game.

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11/23/2015  5:39 PM
Nalod wrote:
Bring it Miami, the kid is a 20 year old rookie and needs the schooling. The sooner the better. Knicks win is all that matters.

nope. just the opposite.

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11/23/2015  6:01 PM
If teams did what Ibaka did it will frustrate KP. Ibaka played him close with active hands. KP might blow by you a few times but he is susceptible to getting striped by guards who double from the blind side. I would also tell whoever is defending him to blockout once the shot goes up.
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11/23/2015  6:19 PM
Pretty sure most players in this league have seen on their phones KP's monster put pack dunks, and his almost 3 at the buzzer. They know he is no joke. What Bosh doesn't mention is that Porzingis is patient for the most part. He's willing to drop back and wait for good looks. Thats why some players arent paying attention when he decides to become more aggressive. Porzingis is good at picking his moments.
I agree with wade about kp, teams don't know yet

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