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EnySpree
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11/7/2015  7:33 PM
Right now the Knicks have an overloaded front court. We can stand to lose guys like Derrick Williams and Seraphin with guys like Lance, Lou and Cleananthony Early on the bench.

Who is available via trade that can upgrade the talent on the team?

I know everyone loves galloway and Grant but they are not a winning starting backcourt. Even adding Afflalo doesn't scare anyone.

Would Atlanta be willing to trade Teague with Schroeder ready to step up? Can we pry Lou Williams away from the Lakers? How about Darren Collison in Sacramento? Branson Jennings? Jeremy Lin?

I'm just throwing names out but I think Lin and Lou Williams can be had with a simple trade.

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11/7/2015  7:35 PM
Back court* not bank court
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11/7/2015  7:42 PM
I agree. As soon as Williams UPS his value I'd trade him for a SG.
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11/7/2015  7:47 PM
Not getting any of those guys. I think we have to find another Galloway type from within. I really like Trice as a great distributor who can shoot. Jimmer if he shoots lights out would make me happy. And then there's a lot of free agent talented guys out there like Jabari Brown, Lorenzo Brown, Erick Green, Cotton to name a few.I think that all of them are better than Jose. Sasha as a fifth guard who knows the system and has triangle experience can play in that role only.
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11/7/2015  7:55 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/7/2015  7:56 PM
I think if we could put out a Lou Williams and Afflalo back court with Galloway and Grant of the bench the Knicks would be officially back on the scene as a playoff contender. Kristaps, Melo and Rolo up front with oquinn, early, galloway, grant, amundson and Lance is still very good off the bench.
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11/7/2015  8:04 PM
Can't wait to see Arron Afflalo back. In the meantime, we should start Grant.
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11/7/2015  9:53 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/7/2015  10:07 PM
Not sure if we could get him or if he's even for sale but Spencer Dinwiddie's a guy I'd look into. He was the guy I really wanted in the 2nd round of the Cleanthony Early draft a couple of years ago. Versatile, crafty 6'6" guard with real PG skills. Looked good in limited mins. last year for Detroit and this season, it looks like he's out of the rotation -- he looks to be behind Reggie Jackson and Steve Blake with Brandon Jennings back around Christmas. Couldn't hurt to make a call over there and see what's what. Surprised Dinwiddie and Reggie Bullock (another guy I'd inquire about though I like Dinwiddie more) aren't getting time behind K. C-Pope with Jodie Meeks out. I think he'd be perfect here--we could use him at both guard spots. A better version of Alexey Shved when he fully develops. Heck, I think he's better than Shved right now (and I like Shved).
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11/7/2015  11:37 PM
A trade is highly improbable this early in the season.
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11/8/2015  12:06 AM
clyderules wrote:A trade is highly improbable this early in the season.

I agree. But Ned has an insider source. My guess is something will be done by 10 day contracts but something will be done.
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11/8/2015  12:19 AM
Where did Ned post anything in here?
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11/8/2015  1:04 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/8/2015  10:27 AM
I agree--chances of a trade this early are remote. If anything, we'll make a lineup change coming up (maybe swap out Calderon for Jerian Grant) and wait to get Afflalo back. Then within a month (maybe sooner), we'll probably zero in on a guard to add with that open spot and go from there...The trade deadline is what, mid February right? If by that time we still need a guard, I'd call up SVG in Detroit and inquire about Dinwiddie (I'm not convinced he loves him anyway). By the deadline they should get both Brandon Jennings and Jodie Meeks back. They're off to a good start already at 4-1 and Dinwiddie's not playing -- if he's not playing now, hard to picture he plays when Jennings and Meeks make it back. That's when we might be able to get him. I don't know if Detroit would want Early (they already have good SF depth with Marcus Morris/Ilyasova who are both starting, Stanley Johnson and Reggie Bullock) but maybe Kevin Seraphin + another asset or two could get it done. They seem pretty light on big men off the bench -- Joel Anthony's a bit player now, Tolliver's nothing special & neither is Aron Baynes. I think they could use Seraphin...

Question: I know we traded away many 2nd round picks but didn't we restock one or two 2nd rounders when we dealt JR and Shumpert to Cleveland?
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11/8/2015  7:15 AM
clyderules wrote:A trade is highly improbable this early in the season.

Nobody can be traded till mid December anyway because of the off season signings.

This is called a hypothetical conversation

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11/8/2015  7:28 AM
could you imagine how much worse it would be if we hadn't traded for Grant, and were stuck with Tim Hardaway Jr still?

Maybe we could trade for him back since he hasn't played yet?

Did Early get any time in pre season at the 2g spot?

There is no reason why Gallo can't start and take at least 30 minutes every game, and rotate Sasha & Grant in to cover the other minutes, with Calderon limited to spot minutes until Afflalo gets back.
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11/8/2015  9:26 AM
clyderules wrote:Where did Ned post anything in here?
He posted it in a thread about his buddy leaving a note under Phil's door.
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11/8/2015  9:54 AM
franco12 wrote:could you imagine how much worse it would be if we hadn't traded for Grant, and were stuck with Tim Hardaway Jr still?

Maybe we could trade for him back since he hasn't played yet?

Did Early get any time in pre season at the 2g spot?

There is no reason why Gallo can't start and take at least 30 minutes every game, and rotate Sasha & Grant in to cover the other minutes, with Calderon limited to spot minutes until Afflalo gets back.

the grant trade was tremendous. Phil has made some great moves along with some terrible moves like calderon
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11/8/2015  10:06 AM
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franco12 wrote:could you imagine how much worse it would be if we hadn't traded for Grant, and were stuck with Tim Hardaway Jr still?

Maybe we could trade for him back since he hasn't played yet?

Did Early get any time in pre season at the 2g spot?

There is no reason why Gallo can't start and take at least 30 minutes every game, and rotate Sasha & Grant in to cover the other minutes, with Calderon limited to spot minutes until Afflalo gets back.

the grant trade was tremendous. Phil has made some great moves along with some terrible moves like calderon

All GM's have moves that don't pan out. Probably even more so for rookie GM's. It's the nature of the biz. Overall it looks like this summer was a very good set of moves. Phil still has work to do tho. It's gonna be interesting to see what he does from here. If he can make one more good move to improve the guard situation that could be a HUGE difference maker.
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11/8/2015  10:10 AM
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
franco12 wrote:could you imagine how much worse it would be if we hadn't traded for Grant, and were stuck with Tim Hardaway Jr still?

Maybe we could trade for him back since he hasn't played yet?

Did Early get any time in pre season at the 2g spot?

There is no reason why Gallo can't start and take at least 30 minutes every game, and rotate Sasha & Grant in to cover the other minutes, with Calderon limited to spot minutes until Afflalo gets back.

the grant trade was tremendous. Phil has made some great moves along with some terrible moves like calderon

All GM's have moves that don't pan out. Probably even more so for rookie GM's. It's the nature of the biz. Overall it looks like this summer was a very good set of moves. Phil still has work to do tho. It's gonna be interesting to see what he does from here. If he can make one more good move to improve the guard situation that could be a HUGE difference maker.

i had a feeling you would respond immediately after i said phil made ONE bad move. I have said many times phil has done a good job for the most part but theres nothing wrong with pointing out a mistake
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11/8/2015  10:17 AM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
franco12 wrote:could you imagine how much worse it would be if we hadn't traded for Grant, and were stuck with Tim Hardaway Jr still?

Maybe we could trade for him back since he hasn't played yet?

Did Early get any time in pre season at the 2g spot?

There is no reason why Gallo can't start and take at least 30 minutes every game, and rotate Sasha & Grant in to cover the other minutes, with Calderon limited to spot minutes until Afflalo gets back.

the grant trade was tremendous. Phil has made some great moves along with some terrible moves like calderon

All GM's have moves that don't pan out. Probably even more so for rookie GM's. It's the nature of the biz. Overall it looks like this summer was a very good set of moves. Phil still has work to do tho. It's gonna be interesting to see what he does from here. If he can make one more good move to improve the guard situation that could be a HUGE difference maker.

i had a feeling you would respond immediately after i said phil made ONE bad move. I have said many times phil has done a good job for the most part but theres nothing wrong with pointing out a mistake

I think it is a move that didn't pan out but it wasn't necessarily a mistake based on what he was trying to get out of Jose. Jose was supposed to be the bridge to the future PG. He was never the permanent solution. He had been solid up to that point and looked like he could do the job well enough to allow time to develop his replacement. There was nothing to indicate he would struggle this much.
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nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
franco12 wrote:could you imagine how much worse it would be if we hadn't traded for Grant, and were stuck with Tim Hardaway Jr still?

Maybe we could trade for him back since he hasn't played yet?

Did Early get any time in pre season at the 2g spot?

There is no reason why Gallo can't start and take at least 30 minutes every game, and rotate Sasha & Grant in to cover the other minutes, with Calderon limited to spot minutes until Afflalo gets back.

the grant trade was tremendous. Phil has made some great moves along with some terrible moves like calderon

All GM's have moves that don't pan out. Probably even more so for rookie GM's. It's the nature of the biz. Overall it looks like this summer was a very good set of moves. Phil still has work to do tho. It's gonna be interesting to see what he does from here. If he can make one more good move to improve the guard situation that could be a HUGE difference maker.

i had a feeling you would respond immediately after i said phil made ONE bad move. I have said many times phil has done a good job for the most part but theres nothing wrong with pointing out a mistake

I think it is a move that didn't pan out but it wasn't necessarily a mistake based on what he was trying to get out of Jose. Jose was supposed to be the bridge to the future PG. He was never the permanent solution. He had been solid up to that point and looked like he could do the job well enough to allow time to develop his replacement. There was nothing to indicate he would struggle this much.

never was a fan of his. Too many years left on that contract and too many weaknesses as a point guard. I think phil would admit he made a bad error. At least he made up for it with grant
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nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
franco12 wrote:could you imagine how much worse it would be if we hadn't traded for Grant, and were stuck with Tim Hardaway Jr still?

Maybe we could trade for him back since he hasn't played yet?

Did Early get any time in pre season at the 2g spot?

There is no reason why Gallo can't start and take at least 30 minutes every game, and rotate Sasha & Grant in to cover the other minutes, with Calderon limited to spot minutes until Afflalo gets back.

the grant trade was tremendous. Phil has made some great moves along with some terrible moves like calderon

All GM's have moves that don't pan out. Probably even more so for rookie GM's. It's the nature of the biz. Overall it looks like this summer was a very good set of moves. Phil still has work to do tho. It's gonna be interesting to see what he does from here. If he can make one more good move to improve the guard situation that could be a HUGE difference maker.

i had a feeling you would respond immediately after i said phil made ONE bad move. I have said many times phil has done a good job for the most part but theres nothing wrong with pointing out a mistake

I think it is a move that didn't pan out but it wasn't necessarily a mistake based on what he was trying to get out of Jose. Jose was supposed to be the bridge to the future PG. He was never the permanent solution. He had been solid up to that point and looked like he could do the job well enough to allow time to develop his replacement. There was nothing to indicate he would struggle this much.


Calderon had multiple years left on his deal when acquired. In no way was he a "gap". The downward trend of Calderon was expected. He's older, doesnt do alot of things pg's do in this game today, doesnt defend, and only takes wide open uncontested basically set shots. Even if he were hitting his shots at his normal clip he'd still be an awful player. Acquiring him was a mistake when the trade was agreed upon.
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