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knicks1248
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11/4/2015  10:44 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/4/2015  10:46 PM
Terrible coaching tonight, the entire coaching staff. The rotation was brutal, calderon should have never played in the 2nd half, no one could get into a rhythm once the bodies started going in and out every 4 minutes.

There absolute no reason whats so ever to play 11 guys in the first 9 minutes of a game when your up 10/12 points.

12 rebounds for melo, the next player close to that had 4.

We look exactly like we did last year after the 1st qtr. When KP got into foul trouble, he subbed in for quin and proceeded to play him 2 minutes, then sent him back to the bench for dwill IN THE FIRST QUARTER ( a sub coming in for a sub) wtf

ZERO FAST BREAK POINTS...MELO,LOPEZ, QUINN, seraphin, all held the ball for 5 or more seconds every single time

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11/4/2015  10:50 PM
Yup, that was pretty glaring. Lots of layups, jumpers were in and out of the rim as well. They were also playing halfcourt ball, and small ball at the same time.
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11/4/2015  10:53 PM
I doubt Lopez plays this badly over the course of the season.
Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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11/4/2015  10:54 PM
Yep that's what happens when your starting pg is afraid to run and stops the transition at the three point line ... Why oh why is Jose on this team it's the only thing that Phil has done that I funking hate... Jose has cursed us
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11/4/2015  10:57 PM
Squarely on Fish. Bad subs, didn't make adjustments, should've inserted KP earlier.

Should've pushed it repeatedly with Shump and JR out.
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11/4/2015  11:02 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:Squarely on Fish. Bad subs, didn't make adjustments, should've inserted KP earlier.

Should've pushed it repeatedly with Shump and JR out.

Yep again we are never going to push the ball with Jose out there dude stinks like a old gym sock forgotten in a locker for months
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11/4/2015  11:02 PM
Knicks had a lead and if Melo was playing better it was headed for a blowout sized lead. I know after a loss it's easy to pick apart all the moves but this team had the Cavs on the ropes but couldn't land the knockout blow. They still have inconsistent execution as well.

On top of that you have Jose el matador and Sasha instead of Afflalo and there you go.
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11/4/2015  11:05 PM
Uany first half criticism is moot. We were up by more than ten. That alone negates all criticisms.
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11/4/2015  11:11 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/4/2015  11:11 PM
Fisher is to blame. Calderon has been stealing minutes and a boat load of money since we acquired him. It is time to erase the mistake we made by trading Chandler
Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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11/4/2015  11:18 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:Fisher is to blame. Calderon has been stealing minutes and a boat load of money since we acquired him. It is time to erase the mistake we made by trading Chandler

It's game FIVE!!! Fish and Phil are going to be reasonable about the start of this season. It's gonna be rough for a while. No Afflalo and a slumping Melo together with Jose is gonna look ugly. They also want to bring the kids along at their own pace rather than thrust them into a bigger role right away. Gotta keep some perspective about this team's development. It's not just about W/L's right now.
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11/4/2015  11:38 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/4/2015  11:39 PM
nixluva wrote:Knicks had a lead and if Melo was playing better it was headed for a blowout sized lead. I know after a loss it's easy to pick apart all the moves but this team had the Cavs on the ropes but couldn't land the knockout blow. They still have inconsistent execution as well.

On top of that you have Jose el matador and Sasha instead of Afflalo and there you go.

Dude we scored 32 points in the 1st qtr, 14 in the next the rhythm was gone, when the rotation became inny minnie minny moe

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11/4/2015  11:47 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:Knicks had a lead and if Melo was playing better it was headed for a blowout sized lead. I know after a loss it's easy to pick apart all the moves but this team had the Cavs on the ropes but couldn't land the knockout blow. They still have inconsistent execution as well.

On top of that you have Jose el matador and Sasha instead of Afflalo and there you go.

Dude we scored 32 points in the 1st qtr, 14 in the next the rhythm was gone, when the rotation became inny minnie minny moe

They're going to be using a deep rotation this year and we have some guys who are struggling early in the season. This isn't a time tested team where all roles are clear. They will try some things out early in the season. Expect some experimentation early in the season.
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11/4/2015  11:51 PM
Healthy 2-3
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11/5/2015  12:31 AM
The last 2 losses the offense ground to a halt and a large part of that is Melo n Jose. Jose is slowing the offense down as is Melo. There are also times when everyone on the team forgets to stay aggressive and to keep up the ball n player movement! The offense gets stagnant and predictable. Since Jose can't beat his man they need to run more Drag Screens when he's in there rather than looking to immediately get the ball to Melo in the post at the expense of the ball n player movement!!!
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11/5/2015  12:36 AM
nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:Knicks had a lead and if Melo was playing better it was headed for a blowout sized lead. I know after a loss it's easy to pick apart all the moves but this team had the Cavs on the ropes but couldn't land the knockout blow. They still have inconsistent execution as well.

On top of that you have Jose el matador and Sasha instead of Afflalo and there you go.

Dude we scored 32 points in the 1st qtr, 14 in the next the rhythm was gone, when the rotation became inny minnie minny moe

They're going to be using a deep rotation this year and we have some guys who are struggling early in the season. This isn't a time tested team where all roles are clear. They will try some things out early in the season. Expect some experimentation early in the season.

It's definitely cool to try new things, but not all in one game.

Deep is a ten man rotation = 2 wins

11/12 man rotation is chaos = 3 losses

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11/5/2015  12:42 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:Knicks had a lead and if Melo was playing better it was headed for a blowout sized lead. I know after a loss it's easy to pick apart all the moves but this team had the Cavs on the ropes but couldn't land the knockout blow. They still have inconsistent execution as well.

On top of that you have Jose el matador and Sasha instead of Afflalo and there you go.

Dude we scored 32 points in the 1st qtr, 14 in the next the rhythm was gone, when the rotation became inny minnie minny moe

They're going to be using a deep rotation this year and we have some guys who are struggling early in the season. This isn't a time tested team where all roles are clear. They will try some things out early in the season. Expect some experimentation early in the season.

It's definitely cool to try new things, but not all in one game.

Deep is a ten man rotation = 2 wins

11/12 man rotation is chaos = 3 losses

HAWKS, SPURS and CAVS is a pretty tough set of losses early in the season with a new team and other issues for this Knicks team. To put the losses on the rotation is to really lose sight of what's going on. Knicks would have to play near perfect against those teams on most nights. Let's keep that in perspective too.
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11/5/2015  1:14 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:Knicks had a lead and if Melo was playing better it was headed for a blowout sized lead. I know after a loss it's easy to pick apart all the moves but this team had the Cavs on the ropes but couldn't land the knockout blow. They still have inconsistent execution as well.

On top of that you have Jose el matador and Sasha instead of Afflalo and there you go.

Dude we scored 32 points in the 1st qtr, 14 in the next the rhythm was gone, when the rotation became inny minnie minny moe

They're going to be using a deep rotation this year and we have some guys who are struggling early in the season. This isn't a time tested team where all roles are clear. They will try some things out early in the season. Expect some experimentation early in the season.

It's definitely cool to try new things, but not all in one game.

Deep is a ten man rotation = 2 wins

11/12 man rotation is chaos = 3 losses

Yeah, I would have to agree with this. It's hard to get a good look at your experiment if you're only giving guys 4 or 5 minutes at a time. I'm all for trying different line-ups, especially coming off the bench, during the earlier part of the season, but you have to give guys time to get a rhythm going.

If it ain't broke, don't break it. - Charles 'The REAL Sir Charles' Oakley.
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11/5/2015  1:15 AM
Grant looks so good when he's in there. Why wont Fisher play him more? I mean much more!
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11/5/2015  1:20 AM
This is now 2 games in a row with 0 fast break points. Personally I don't think it played THAT big of a role in the loss in and of itself, but it is something they should address right now.
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11/5/2015  1:41 AM
Why would you want fast break points when its so much more exciting to watch Jose walk the ball up and then run almost every play through Lopez, who should never touch the ball except for rebounds and blocks?
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