Derek Fisher swears he’s still employing the triangle offense, but triangle innovator Tex Winter might have a tough time deciphering it.

As reported, the Knicks are playing at a faster pace, trying to get easy buckets before setting up in a half-court format. But even in half court, Wizards superstar point guard John Wall claims there is a tremendous difference and not so much triangle.

“They are not running the same offense as last year,’’ Wall said after the Knicks blitzed the Wizards 117-110 Saturday. “They added some more pace to their game, they run a lot more pick and rolls and put us in tough situations where we had to rotate, and they were getting offensive rebounds and putbacks.’’

Wall went on to say the defense Washington ran last season against the Knicks didn’t work Saturday because of the changes. The Wizards also didn’t have their head coach, Randy Wittman, until the second quarter. He had attended the Flip Saunders memorial service.

Knicks small forward Cleanthony Early told The Post the triangle was taught in a completely different way in training camp, and methods getting into it had changed. The Knicks were last in the NBA in scoring last season at 91.4 points per game. In two of their first three games, they’ve racked up 122 and 117 points.

Fisher seems defensive over criticism after he coached the Knicks to a 2-1 finish last season with triumphs in Orlando and Atlanta, costing them the top lottery seed. Minnesota, whose GM/coach was Saunders, lost its final 12 games to earn the best odds of landing the No. 1 pick. The Timberwolves then won the lottery and selected Rookie of the Year favorite Karl-Anthony Towns.

Fisher said he thinks the method of trying to win late last season has carried over.

“As difficult as last year was for us, a lot of what we are seeing this year still has to do with the foundation that was built during those difficulties last year,’’ Fisher said. “The fact we did not want to practice losing by losing intentionally down the stretch of last season and actually building a mindset every time we step on the court and you wear a Knicks uniform, there is a certain way you are supposed to play.’’

Monday is the lone visit this season by new Spurs power forward LaMarcus Aldridge, whose meeting with the Knicks got called off in July.

The Knicks wanted to sign a center to play alongside Kristaps Porzingis, and Aldridge didn’t think he would be a good fit as a pivot. The Knicks eventually decided meeting Aldridge was a waste of time and canceled.

Aldridge has averaged 15 points in his three games with the 2-1 Spurs. Carmelo Anthony said in August he had spoken with Aldridge and thought they had a real chance to land the former Trail Blazer.

mreinman wrote:http://nypost.com/2015/11/01/have-the-knicks-abandoned-the-triangle-offense/

Derek Fisher swears he’s still employing the triangle offense, but triangle innovator Tex Winter might have a tough time deciphering it.

As reported, the Knicks are playing at a faster pace, trying to get easy buckets before setting up in a half-court format. But even in half court, Wizards superstar point guard John Wall claims there is a tremendous difference and not so much triangle.

“They are not running the same offense as last year,’’ Wall said after the Knicks blitzed the Wizards 117-110 Saturday. “They added some more pace to their game, they run a lot more pick and rolls and put us in tough situations where we had to rotate, and they were getting offensive rebounds and putbacks.’’

Wall went on to say the defense Washington ran last season against the Knicks didn’t work Saturday because of the changes. The Wizards also didn’t have their head coach, Randy Wittman, until the second quarter. He had attended the Flip Saunders memorial service.

Knicks small forward Cleanthony Early told The Post the triangle was taught in a completely different way in training camp, and methods getting into it had changed. The Knicks were last in the NBA in scoring last season at 91.4 points per game. In two of their first three games, they’ve racked up 122 and 117 points.

Fisher seems defensive over criticism after he coached the Knicks to a 2-1 finish last season with triumphs in Orlando and Atlanta, costing them the top lottery seed. Minnesota, whose GM/coach was Saunders, lost its final 12 games to earn the best odds of landing the No. 1 pick. The Timberwolves then won the lottery and selected Rookie of the Year favorite Karl-Anthony Towns.

Fisher said he thinks the method of trying to win late last season has carried over.

“As difficult as last year was for us, a lot of what we are seeing this year still has to do with the foundation that was built during those difficulties last year,’’ Fisher said. “The fact we did not want to practice losing by losing intentionally down the stretch of last season and actually building a mindset every time we step on the court and you wear a Knicks uniform, there is a certain way you are supposed to play.’’

Monday is the lone visit this season by new Spurs power forward LaMarcus Aldridge, whose meeting with the Knicks got called off in July.

The Knicks wanted to sign a center to play alongside Kristaps Porzingis, and Aldridge didn’t think he would be a good fit as a pivot. The Knicks eventually decided meeting Aldridge was a waste of time and canceled.

Aldridge has averaged 15 points in his three games with the 2-1 Spurs. Carmelo Anthony said in August he had spoken with Aldridge and thought they had a real chance to land the former Trail Blazer.

I hate this article. Berman poses a question and then does a fluff piece where he quotes Wall who really has nothing to say on the subject outside of the obvious and then Berman regurgitates a Cleanthony talking point that has been brought up many times before. So, essentially Berman offers nothing. No added research, no added opinion of his own, nothing. And he tangents three times, about Wittman, about winning a few games at end of last season (what's this like the 20th time in the last month Post needed filler in their "aricles"?) and then about LaMarcus (and the Aldridge stuff was also regurgitated). Awesome work.

Thing is there was ALWAYS an uptempo aspect to the offense but you have to have players willing to push the ball and look for early offense. This year we have players willing to push the ball. Also the Knicks aren't really running strict PnR the way most teams do. In the Triangle they use give n go, drag screens and dribble hand offs which look like PnR. The amount of pure PnR is far less than most teams. Berman has no idea what he's looking at and most surely has no idea what the Triangle offense is.

mreinman wrote:certainly a lot more running this year.

Yes. Last year was frustrating to watch them slow walk the ball all the time. Later after they added Shved you saw him push the ball the way you're supposed to do in the Triangle! Pushing the ball is a core tenant of the system!!!

Phil

Finally, I want the offense to flow from rebound to fast break, to quick offense, to a system of offense. The defenses in the NBA are so good because the players are so big, quick, and well coached. Add the pressure that the 24-second clock rule applies to the offense to find a good shot, and the defense gets even better.

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:http://nypost.com/2015/11/01/have-the-knicks-abandoned-the-triangle-offense/

Derek Fisher swears he’s still employing the triangle offense, but triangle innovator Tex Winter might have a tough time deciphering it.

As reported, the Knicks are playing at a faster pace, trying to get easy buckets before setting up in a half-court format. But even in half court, Wizards superstar point guard John Wall claims there is a tremendous difference and not so much triangle.

“They are not running the same offense as last year,’’ Wall said after the Knicks blitzed the Wizards 117-110 Saturday. “They added some more pace to their game, they run a lot more pick and rolls and put us in tough situations where we had to rotate, and they were getting offensive rebounds and putbacks.’’

Wall went on to say the defense Washington ran last season against the Knicks didn’t work Saturday because of the changes. The Wizards also didn’t have their head coach, Randy Wittman, until the second quarter. He had attended the Flip Saunders memorial service.

Knicks small forward Cleanthony Early told The Post the triangle was taught in a completely different way in training camp, and methods getting into it had changed. The Knicks were last in the NBA in scoring last season at 91.4 points per game. In two of their first three games, they’ve racked up 122 and 117 points.

Fisher seems defensive over criticism after he coached the Knicks to a 2-1 finish last season with triumphs in Orlando and Atlanta, costing them the top lottery seed. Minnesota, whose GM/coach was Saunders, lost its final 12 games to earn the best odds of landing the No. 1 pick. The Timberwolves then won the lottery and selected Rookie of the Year favorite Karl-Anthony Towns.

Fisher said he thinks the method of trying to win late last season has carried over.

“As difficult as last year was for us, a lot of what we are seeing this year still has to do with the foundation that was built during those difficulties last year,’’ Fisher said. “The fact we did not want to practice losing by losing intentionally down the stretch of last season and actually building a mindset every time we step on the court and you wear a Knicks uniform, there is a certain way you are supposed to play.’’

Monday is the lone visit this season by new Spurs power forward LaMarcus Aldridge, whose meeting with the Knicks got called off in July.

The Knicks wanted to sign a center to play alongside Kristaps Porzingis, and Aldridge didn’t think he would be a good fit as a pivot. The Knicks eventually decided meeting Aldridge was a waste of time and canceled.

Aldridge has averaged 15 points in his three games with the 2-1 Spurs. Carmelo Anthony said in August he had spoken with Aldridge and thought they had a real chance to land the former Trail Blazer.

I hate this article. Berman poses a question and then does a fluff piece where he quotes Wall who really has nothing to say on the subject outside of the obvious and then Berman regurgitates a Cleanthony talking point that has been brought up many times before. So, essentially Berman offers nothing. No added research, no added opinion of his own, nothing. And he tangents three times, about Wittman, about winning a few games at end of last season (what's this like the 20th time in the last month Post needed filler in their "aricles"?) and then about LaMarcus (and the Aldridge stuff was also regurgitated). Awesome work.

ok ... I have to agree. It was a really lazy article. Maybe not even deserving of being posted (delete if you'd like).

I do however think that the offense has been modified a lot from last year and the pace that they are playing at this year is nice to see as well.

LOL you just did about as good a job as Berman.

Fish about 10 times during preseason and training camp: Knicks gonna push ball and run more PnR.

Post and mreinman: hey look guys, I think Knicks offense has been modified from last year, woowoo!

posts from here are not being published I hope.

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:http://nypost.com/2015/11/01/have-the-knicks-abandoned-the-triangle-offense/

Derek Fisher swears he’s still employing the triangle offense, but triangle innovator Tex Winter might have a tough time deciphering it.

As reported, the Knicks are playing at a faster pace, trying to get easy buckets before setting up in a half-court format. But even in half court, Wizards superstar point guard John Wall claims there is a tremendous difference and not so much triangle.

“They are not running the same offense as last year,’’ Wall said after the Knicks blitzed the Wizards 117-110 Saturday. “They added some more pace to their game, they run a lot more pick and rolls and put us in tough situations where we had to rotate, and they were getting offensive rebounds and putbacks.’’

Wall went on to say the defense Washington ran last season against the Knicks didn’t work Saturday because of the changes. The Wizards also didn’t have their head coach, Randy Wittman, until the second quarter. He had attended the Flip Saunders memorial service.

Knicks small forward Cleanthony Early told The Post the triangle was taught in a completely different way in training camp, and methods getting into it had changed. The Knicks were last in the NBA in scoring last season at 91.4 points per game. In two of their first three games, they’ve racked up 122 and 117 points.

Fisher seems defensive over criticism after he coached the Knicks to a 2-1 finish last season with triumphs in Orlando and Atlanta, costing them the top lottery seed. Minnesota, whose GM/coach was Saunders, lost its final 12 games to earn the best odds of landing the No. 1 pick. The Timberwolves then won the lottery and selected Rookie of the Year favorite Karl-Anthony Towns.

Fisher said he thinks the method of trying to win late last season has carried over.

“As difficult as last year was for us, a lot of what we are seeing this year still has to do with the foundation that was built during those difficulties last year,’’ Fisher said. “The fact we did not want to practice losing by losing intentionally down the stretch of last season and actually building a mindset every time we step on the court and you wear a Knicks uniform, there is a certain way you are supposed to play.’’

Monday is the lone visit this season by new Spurs power forward LaMarcus Aldridge, whose meeting with the Knicks got called off in July.

The Knicks wanted to sign a center to play alongside Kristaps Porzingis, and Aldridge didn’t think he would be a good fit as a pivot. The Knicks eventually decided meeting Aldridge was a waste of time and canceled.

Aldridge has averaged 15 points in his three games with the 2-1 Spurs. Carmelo Anthony said in August he had spoken with Aldridge and thought they had a real chance to land the former Trail Blazer.

I hate this article. Berman poses a question and then does a fluff piece where he quotes Wall who really has nothing to say on the subject outside of the obvious and then Berman regurgitates a Cleanthony talking point that has been brought up many times before. So, essentially Berman offers nothing. No added research, no added opinion of his own, nothing. And he tangents three times, about Wittman, about winning a few games at end of last season (what's this like the 20th time in the last month Post needed filler in their "aricles"?) and then about LaMarcus (and the Aldridge stuff was also regurgitated). Awesome work.

Did not think about who he spoke to. The guys to talk to would have been Galloway or Sasha, who probably know more about the offense than most of the other players on the team at this point.

The winning/losing end of last season stuff is pathetic, and bringing up the Minnesota losing streak and actually mentioning Flip Saunders is almost disgraceful, IMO. Almost sounds like he's saying that intentionally losing games has been blessed because the deceased and beloved Saunders allegedly orchestrated a 12 game losing streak to close out the season.

The Aldridge stuff seems fitting for its own headline tomorrow...not sure why it was just thrown in here...perhaps he just wanted to set us up for tomorrow's attack.

Best thing that could happen tomorrow would be a break out game for KP where he outplays Aldridge and helps the Knicks win the game, and Lopez clinches it with a block on an Aldridge shot as time runs down and the Knicks are up by 1.

dk7th wrote:based on the two games i saw and in the preseason the team is running the triangle about 25% of the time and when they do it often segues into pick and roll stuff. this may be because the defensive strategy against the triangle is to pressure the entry pass.

i am a proponent of "if it ain't broke don't fix it" but i am concerned that the less the knicks run the triangle the more their fortunes will ride on the mental state of carmelo anthony. that said, melo should be using picks more often along the free throw line extended, especially going from right to left. he hits high percentage shots under that scenario and i cannot imagine his not being able to make a good pass to cutters in that situation of he can only recognize double teams converging on him in that latitude on the floor.

i could not watch the game last night but consider that melo's usage was a very healthy and unselfish 28.7% while his assist rate was a very generous 20.5% for a ratio of 1.4:1, which is EXACTLY the ratio the triangle ostensibly should help him achieve every game.

in any event, if carmelo puts up those sort of percentages on those two key statistics he and his team will have a very successful season regardless of how he shoots the ball.

He was great last night but do you really believe we will get that the majority of nights?

Jmpasq wrote:

dk7th wrote:based on the two games i saw and in the preseason the team is running the triangle about 25% of the time and when they do it often segues into pick and roll stuff. this may be because the defensive strategy against the triangle is to pressure the entry pass.

i am a proponent of "if it ain't broke don't fix it" but i am concerned that the less the knicks run the triangle the more their fortunes will ride on the mental state of carmelo anthony. that said, melo should be using picks more often along the free throw line extended, especially going from right to left. he hits high percentage shots under that scenario and i cannot imagine his not being able to make a good pass to cutters in that situation of he can only recognize double teams converging on him in that latitude on the floor.

i could not watch the game last night but consider that melo's usage was a very healthy and unselfish 28.7% while his assist rate was a very generous 20.5% for a ratio of 1.4:1, which is EXACTLY the ratio the triangle ostensibly should help him achieve every game.

in any event, if carmelo puts up those sort of percentages on those two key statistics he and his team will have a very successful season regardless of how he shoots the ball.

He was great last night but do you really believe we will get that the majority of nights?

the burden of history is heavy and the odds are against it but this is where jackson and fisher earn their money. melo is here for another couple of seasons and the knicks are already building a team for life beyond him. it's really up to melo himself how far the knicks go this season, or maybe i should say he will be the biggest factor in success IF he changes his game, tightening up the shot selection and moving the ball instead.

clyderules wrote:That's what Harden's been saying about Khloe Kardashian. That the triangle is a way of life!

So is Harden's "performance" then proof that the triangle might not fit some players well?

dk7th wrote:based on the two games i saw and in the preseason the team is running the triangle about 25% of the time and when they do it often segues into pick and roll stuff. this may be because the defensive strategy against the triangle is to pressure the entry pass.

i am a proponent of "if it ain't broke don't fix it" but i am concerned that the less the knicks run the triangle the more their fortunes will ride on the mental state of carmelo anthony. that said, melo should be using picks more often along the free throw line extended, especially going from right to left. he hits high percentage shots under that scenario and i cannot imagine his not being able to make a good pass to cutters in that situation of he can only recognize double teams converging on him in that latitude on the floor.

i could not watch the game last night but consider that melo's usage was a very healthy and unselfish 28.7% while his assist rate was a very generous 20.5% for a ratio of 1.4:1, which is EXACTLY the ratio the triangle ostensibly should help him achieve every game.

in any event, if carmelo puts up those sort of percentages on those two key statistics he and his team will have a very successful season regardless of how he shoots the ball.

Melo took the same shots he took against Atlanta and Milwaukee except he hit them.

the triangle utilizes the pick and roll so when you see a pick and role is not because they aren't running the triangle. The Knicks rarely start any offense sequence with the pick and roll. A team like Atlanta run a pick and roll every time down just about, then improvise after that.

I love the Knicks offense. Don't box yourself in by always talking about the triangle. Look at what they are doing. Alot their plays start before or just after they cross half court.