and not enough triangle out there. guess when you fall behind thanks to a sieve-like backcourt of sasha and jose then you scrap the plan, right fish? start galloway and afflalo when he gets back.

melo is it age? wearing down? injury? low bbiq? all of these things? people here say he is dealing with injury still. bad news. reggie says he has no legs. bad news. i am not hating here but i wonder if this is the beginning of the end.... his minutes need to be curtailed. like 24 minutes a game until he shows he has the legs and wind.10-27 and 0-7 rom 3. sorry but this is ridiculous.
williams a step back for him but i think this is on fisher. he should not have wiliams out there with melo... ever. he was rotated in a minute after galloway and o'quinn came in. that's a mistake by fisher.
lopez first time he demonstrated some real floor impact. i like the little leftie hook he has. still would like to see more triangle run with him out there. get him to work on his passing game.
o'quinn/thomas good workmanlike contributions.
grant looks good in spurts but it looks like he needs to work on his stroke, and as nixluva pointed out... a change of pace dribble is an important skill to develop.
calderon/vujacic as i have maintained, neither have any business getting minutes. if calderon could actually shoot at a high clip then his defense would be forgivable. but... no. i give fisher another 5 games to make an executive decision.
porzingis tough game for him but he seems like the type of player who will find a way to contribute no matter what. those threes are concerning though. can we see more triangle when he's on the court please?

Lopez had a great offensive game, his defense was questionable. He needs to stop passing like the ball so slopiliy

Melo was classic Melo

Galloway shot the ball great and tried on defense.

mreinman wrote:aside from the turnovers, KP did not play that bad. His shot will come but at least he is not forcing them.

I think his productivity would be up a lot offensively if he was with Grant. He works well in those pick and roll situations where KP can pull up, draw a foul on the way to the basket, or clean up after a missed grant layup.

TPercy wrote:

mreinman wrote:

TPercy wrote:

mreinman wrote:aside from the turnovers, KP did not play that bad. His shot will come but at least he is not forcing them.

I think his productivity would be up a lot offensively if he was with Grant. He works well in those pick and roll situations where KP can pull up, draw a foul on the way to the basket, or clean up after a missed grant layup.

nobody can play well when your superduperstar takes 27 shots (most of them disgusting).

KP is a rookie. He is going to let the game come to him and he will miss shots and make some bad plays. I love that he has the opportunity to do so.

That is why we need Grant to be on the court. His high speed play and great passing ability can take the ball out of Melo hands. Good things happen when he is on the court.

It is good that KP is trying to let the game come to him, but that dosen't mean that we shouldn't be trying to make the game easier for him also. We should be experiment with this things to see what works and what doesn't work.

I def agree that grant is our best PG by a mile and should start.

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:I wanna see how things look with a healthy Afflalo after he gets his legs along with Melo after he gets in mid season form. Right now we're missing what was expected to be the two primary targets playing at full strength.

melo is at full enough strength to take 27 shots? Don't want to hear that bs. If you are not healthy then don't play and/or dont chuck like an dik head.

If we get 50 games out of afflalo I will be euphoric. However, I would rather have gallo out there over him any day.

no excuses.

predicting records should factor in assumed injuries and age.

dk7th wrote:better opponent, worse results. more pressure leads to crumbling execution and crumbling substitution patterns. fisher needs to read the writing on the wall: calderon is a liability against the quicker playmaking guards out there. and fisher must resist the urge to try to stay in games by experimenting with dribby-drabby substitutions. comes across as desperate and befuddled. these are the two biggest issues/takeaways for this game. would it be so bad to have calderon and grant work the backcourt with o'quinn and williams? it'd be worth a try in my opinion.

and not enough triangle out there. guess when you fall behind thanks to a sieve-like backcourt of sasha and jose then you scrap the plan, right fish? start galloway and afflalo when he gets back.

melo is it age? wearing down? injury? low bbiq? all of these things? people here say he is dealing with injury still. bad news. reggie says he has no legs. bad news. i am not hating here but i wonder if this is the beginning of the end.... his minutes need to be curtailed. like 24 minutes a game until he shows he has the legs and wind.10-27 and 0-7 rom 3. sorry but this is ridiculous.
williams a step back for him but i think this is on fisher. he should not have wiliams out there with melo... ever. he was rotated in a minute after galloway and o'quinn came in. that's a mistake by fisher.
lopez first time he demonstrated some real floor impact. i like the little leftie hook he has. still would like to see more triangle run with him out there. get him to work on his passing game.
o'quinn/thomas good workmanlike contributions.
grant looks good in spurts but it looks like he needs to work on his stroke, and as nixluva pointed out... a change of pace dribble is an important skill to develop.
calderon/vujacic as i have maintained, neither have any business getting minutes. if calderon could actually shoot at a high clip then his defense would be forgivable. but... no. i give fisher another 5 games to make an executive decision.
porzingis tough game for him but he seems like the type of player who will find a way to contribute no matter what. those threes are concerning though. can we see more triangle when he's on the court please?

pretty mucgh agree with this breakdown. tough opponent and knicks couldnt hang.
- in a nutshell, jose cant guard a parked car. the defense breaks down once theres penetration
- melo is out of shape. i dont think hes hurt...just not in elite shape yet. im not gonna panic yet
- williams still is a spark off the bench but hes limited
- grant and KP need games like this to learn from.
- overall = learning experience game that i didnt expect to win. just have the youngsters learn
- where is Early???

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:I wanna see how things look with a healthy Afflalo after he gets his legs along with Melo after he gets in mid season form. Right now we're missing what was expected to be the two primary targets playing at full strength.

melo is at full enough strength to take 27 shots? Don't want to hear that bs. If you are not healthy then don't play and/or dont chuck like an dik head.

If we get 50 games out of afflalo I will be euphoric. However, I would rather have gallo out there over him any day.

no excuses.

predicting records should factor in assumed injuries and age.

Why are you bringing record predictions into this? No one is talking about that in this thread.

In any event Melo is not in mid season form and obviously Afflalo is trying to get right. It's gonna take a little more time to get them at peak form and for the chemistry with them all to fully gel. Doesn't mean they can't win games in the meantime but we won't see the best of this team until they get in mid season form.

These 2 are the most accomplished offensive players and we need them to be at their best so that it makes things easier on the other guys. That's just normal expectations for any team to expect the best players to lead the team in terms of production.

Jose was the human turn stile all game long.

I mean, yes, Jose shouldn't start. Ever again.

Melo is trying to find his rhythm.

The kids played well - they looked shook at first, but came back. No, it wasn't enough to beat the 60 win Eastern Conference Finalist Hawks. But it's not the end of the world. Geez.

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:I wanna see how things look with a healthy Afflalo after he gets his legs along with Melo after he gets in mid season form. Right now we're missing what was expected to be the two primary targets playing at full strength.

melo is at full enough strength to take 27 shots? Don't want to hear that bs. If you are not healthy then don't play and/or dont chuck like an dik head.

If we get 50 games out of afflalo I will be euphoric. However, I would rather have gallo out there over him any day.

no excuses.

predicting records should factor in assumed injuries and age.

Reggie said Melo didn't have his legs early in the second quarter. Seems like a possibility on the second night of a back to back coming off season ending surgery.

ok ... so why the hell is he shooting 27 shots and 7 threes?

no excuses!

If his legs were not there and he took 8-10 shots and tried to make lots of plays for others then I would be ok with the tired / injured legs excuse.

It's not so much tired legs as its not having the level of explosion that he's used to. The timing as well. There's a lot to it beyond being in shape enough to get up and down and take shots. Often players think they have it until they get out there and miss shots that they normally make. Lebron has had this happen to him at the start of seasons too. His shot is off and he's not getting the same lift etc. this happens to many players coming off injury.

ok ... no excuse for taking 27 shots.

Can't he smell that he is off before he misses a billion shots?

I don't ever want him taking 27 shots. Enough of that kobe sh1t.