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Is There Any Hope We Can Move Jose Calderon?
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NardDogNation
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10/29/2015  11:56 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/29/2015  12:05 PM
He sucks (TOLD YOU SO!) but is still a consummate vet and can hit the 3 ball well. I also think he can become a key cog off the bench for a team that actually utilizes the pick and roll with regular consistency. And with the cap set to explode this following season, I suspect that the last year of Calderon's pact will not be so tough a pill to swallow.

A couple teams that should be interested in Calderon's services from the jump are the Suns and Pistons. Neither team has a healthy backup PG off their bench, has had a recent history of being willing to overpay role players and both have been in the market for veteran shooters. I could see the Suns acquiring Calderon, cash and 2nd round picks for Mirza Teleovic, Ronnie Price and whatever useless contracts they have lying around to make the deal work. I could also see the Pistons taking the same package (maybe Cleanthony Early in lieu of the picks) for Brandon Jennings' expirer and an additional contract to help give them a bigger trade exception. Either deal would suffice for me despite us not receiving anything in return. At this point, such a move would be addition by subtraction.

Of the two, I like the Pistons deal the best because I think it is more feasible. They are a stone's-throw away from the playoffs and I suspect that Van Gundy will make any move that makes them marginally better. He also offers a nice stopgap until they inevitably are able to develop Spencer Dinwiddie who they are alleged to be high on. I also think that Van Gundy is the kind of guy that'd have interest in Cleanthony Early (given his affinity for rangy shooters who can defend), which would offer more utility to a win-now team than the ambiguity of future 2nd round picks.

On the flip side, Brandon Jennings offers us nothing but an expirer. He's a good enough player but doesn't fit the triangle and will need time/patience to recover from his achilles injury, which we don't have. I'd probably just cut him but if a deal for an OJ Mayo or George Hill were feasible, I'd definitely roll the dice since both are prototypical triangle-PGs and have shown the ability to excel, earlier in their careers.

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10/29/2015  12:04 PM
I would love to get him and Seraphin playing well, then do a pump and dump, maybe get a pick back. If they are playing well a sweet shooter and a burly bigman might have some sell for teams.

Either way Jose is short term

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10/29/2015  12:12 PM
fishmike wrote:I would love to get him and Seraphin playing well, then do a pump and dump, maybe get a pick back. If they are playing well a sweet shooter and a burly bigman might have some sell for teams.

Either way Jose is short term

Agreed though I'd be prepared to take nothing back in a deal. At this point, we don't need Seraphin (or Early) given our depth in the frontcourt, so I foresee a deal that offloads the glut for possibly a little more cap or roster flexibility.

If we can make a move something a little more tangible, I'd definitely look into George Hill and OJ Mayo. I've held both players in pretty high esteem over the years and think they'd do wonders in the triangle. They both are pretty good defenders at either guard position, can get to the rim (and in doing so find others for shots) and are pretty good at moving without the ball. Their stocks have taken a hit over the years, so I'm a little optimistic that we can acquire them especially since they make as much as Calderon (and a Kevin Seraphin contract).

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10/29/2015  12:22 PM
fishmike wrote:I would love to get him and Seraphin playing well, then do a pump and dump, maybe get a pick back. If they are playing well a sweet shooter and a burly bigman might have some sell for teams.

Either way Jose is short term


Yup...

Catch-22 situation with Jose...needs to do well to be traded, but then you might not want to trade him, especially if we are playing around .500 ball with a shot at the playoffs and Grant is not deemed ready.

Said this earlier in the year- Best case scenario for us is that both Jose and Grant look good, and Fisher/Phil believe that Grant is ready for more responsibilities.

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10/29/2015  12:31 PM
fishmike wrote:I would love to get him and Seraphin playing well, then do a pump and dump, maybe get a pick back. If they are playing well a sweet shooter and a burly bigman might have some sell for teams.

Either way Jose is short term

Yeah there is absolute no rush to get rid of calderone, even if he's not lights out on the court, he can still have a value off the court, in the locker rooom, and a mentor to grant and galloway. You have to have to keep a mix of vets and youngsters to have balance

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10/29/2015  12:53 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
fishmike wrote:I would love to get him and Seraphin playing well, then do a pump and dump, maybe get a pick back. If they are playing well a sweet shooter and a burly bigman might have some sell for teams.

Either way Jose is short term

Yeah there is absolute no rush to get rid of calderone, even if he's not lights out on the court, he can still have a value off the court, in the locker rooom, and a mentor to grant and galloway. You have to have to keep a mix of vets and youngsters to have balance


This is true. Plus we all know he's destined to be moved to a support role eventually. I say let this happen in it's due course. This allows the young guards to come along naturally and earn a starting spot. Down the line Jose will be fine as a backup and when he's shooting well he's gonna be a nice addition off the bench. He's not a long term solution at guard but for now I don't see the need for concern. His minutes can easily be cut if necessary.
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10/29/2015  1:37 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
fishmike wrote:I would love to get him and Seraphin playing well, then do a pump and dump, maybe get a pick back. If they are playing well a sweet shooter and a burly bigman might have some sell for teams.

Either way Jose is short term

Yeah there is absolute no rush to get rid of calderone, even if he's not lights out on the court, he can still have a value off the court, in the locker rooom, and a mentor to grant and galloway. You have to have to keep a mix of vets and youngsters to have balance

Yep, can't really argue with that. Don't wanna see any knee-jerk reactions on anyone based on just 1 regular game. Tired of that stuff. If it's true that he's mentoring Grant, and if we win games a decent clip, and we still have an empty spot on the roster anyway, why not wait and see?

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10/29/2015  2:27 PM
yes, I think there is hope- Utah is desperate for a PG. Also I think the Pelicans are a possibility. He needs to play better than he did last night though.
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10/29/2015  2:39 PM
I predict he knocks down some huge shots for us in the near future
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10/29/2015  2:58 PM
Utah would be the perfect place for Jose. They need a vet like him.
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10/29/2015  2:59 PM
With only Grant and Galloway able to play PG, we need to keep Calderon for now. No harm in holding him and then trading him in the offseason when his contract will be easier to move. We know he's not a future piece, but we don't need to rush. Just a thought.
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10/29/2015  3:00 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:Utah would be the perfect place for Jose. They need a vet like him.

They also play a slower game, and operate with two bigs in the post.

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10/29/2015  3:27 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:Utah would be the perfect place for Jose. They need a vet like him.

They also play a slower game, and operate with two bigs in the post.

Looks like they've given up on trey Burke a trade of Jose for Burke work strait up on the ESPN trade machine

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10/29/2015  3:42 PM
No. Not even for a box of Jujubes.

Will have to build up his value somehow, before unloading his trash ass in the off season.

In meantime, he'll have to Yoda Grant on wearing flip flops in the shower, how to tie a windsor knot, proper tipping of hookers to avoid blackmail situations, and ordering steaks medium rare not well done.

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10/29/2015  5:46 PM
fitzfarm wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:Utah would be the perfect place for Jose. They need a vet like him.

They also play a slower game, and operate with two bigs in the post.

Looks like they've given up on trey Burke a trade of Jose for Burke work strait up on the ESPN trade machine

They haven't given up on him; they just understand that he's a bench player and are grooming him accordingly. Even so, they need a guy that can give them 20 minutes per game which I think Calderon is capable of doing with Exum hurt.

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10/29/2015  6:08 PM
No need to move anyone until January after we see what we have. This team should stand pat for now. We have plenty of pieces to move in a trade in February.
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10/29/2015  6:45 PM
You guys have made some compelling points but I still err on the "trade him" side. Yes, he may be a good locker room presence but there is still a fairly good chance that the deterioration in his game has more to do with his age than our system. And if this is the case, I much prefer to get out from the contract while a sucker could be had.
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10/29/2015  6:56 PM
Im sure phil would admit it was a terrible decision to pick up calderon and his contract. Unfortunetly he has 2 years remaining so there is no way any team would take him unless they are swapping a bad contract to us
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10/29/2015  8:16 PM
is it the time of the year already where we start figuring out how to fantasy-pillage other teams?
so here is what phil is thinking ....
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10/29/2015  9:08 PM
mreinman wrote:is it the time of the year already where we start figuring out how to fantasy-pillage other teams?

Pillage other teams? But, but, but, he had the best assist to turnover ratio 2 years ago....and his TS% and....

Is There Any Hope We Can Move Jose Calderon?

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