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10/26/2015  5:32 PM
http://theknicksblog.com/knicks/barkley-knicks-are-sleeper-team-to-make-nba-playoffs/

Charles Barkley appears to be changing his tune on the Knicks.

After years of ripping the Knicks, Barkley believes they can make the playoffs this season with their revamped roster.

“The Knicks are one of my sleeper teams, I think they will make the playoffs,” Barkley said Monday on a conference call to promote TNT’s coverage of the upcoming season.

“I think Phil Jackson’s done a good job of getting quality NBA players. [Kristaps] Porzingis is obviously a young kid with tremendous upside, but I’m picking the Knicks to make the playoffs. They got actual NBA players on that roster this year.”

Of his playoff prediction, Barkley said, “I’m guaranteeing it.”

The Knicks added proven NBA players Robin Lopez, Arron Afflalo, Derrick Williams and Kyle O’Quinn and the rookies Porzingis and Jerian Grant after finishing 17-65 a year ago.

A year ago, Barkley openly mocked the Knicks, at one point saying: “They need more than one player, they need a bunch of players. They don’t have a lot of NBA talent.”

Adam Zagoria is a Basketball Insider for SNY.tv. You can follow him on Twitter.


Nice. When you got the round mound of rebound singing your praises, you know the culture's a changin'.

I don't know about playoffs, but I do know it's year 1 of the renovation, and we should at least double our win total from last year.
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10/26/2015  6:28 PM
Most years Charles slams us and the faithful mock him.
And most years Charles is right.
Im hoping he is correct again!

After reading "11 rings" I am enthused the path we are taking is correct. Media seems to have same rhetoric about Phil not signing a big name and that spelling doom but the reality is this team spread its money out pretty good and upside is there with Dwilliams, Grant and O'Quinn. KP has the most potential as we all know.

Given this, Im not focused on how slow Jose is, or lamenting about the Tyson trade.

My expectations are not super high and I know the culture of Zen and the flow of basketball takes time to develop.

Phil in the book spoke often about Red Holzman and the importance of defense leading to ball movement.
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10/26/2015  7:28 PM
Anyone know who his sleeper teams were last year?
EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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10/26/2015  8:24 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:Anyone know who his sleeper teams were last year?

phili..lol

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knicks1248 wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:Anyone know who his sleeper teams were last year?

phili..lol


For real??
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10/27/2015  1:17 AM
I couldn't care less what Charles Barkley thinks. The guy's a buffoon. A highly paid buffoon, but a buffoon nonetheless. He's like Uncle Ruckus from The Boondocks. A clown.
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10/27/2015  8:01 AM
underneath the facade of entertainer there is a keen basketball mind. i tend to listen closely to hall of fame players like he and shaquille. stephen a and jalen rose not so much. perhaps a number of posters never saw him play. below are his advanced numbers, which indicate all-time greatness. a complete player if ever there was.

Season      Age  Tm  Lg Pos    G    MP  PER  TS% 3PAr  FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG%    OWS  DWS    WS WS/48  OBPM DBPM BPM VORP
1984-85      21 PHI NBA  PF   82  2347 18.3 .599 .008 .511 12.9 20.8 16.9  9.6  1.9  2.0 17.9 20.0    4.2  3.3   7.5  .154   1.9  1.5 3.4  3.2
1985-86      22 PHI NBA  PF   80  2952 22.4 .619 .072 .555 13.4 25.4 19.4 16.0  2.8  2.4 21.3 22.4    5.4  5.5  10.8  .176   4.0  3.9 7.9  7.3
1986-87      23 PHI NBA  PF   68  2740 25.1 .660 .111 .602 16.7 24.8 20.8 19.0  2.1  2.2 21.4 23.1    7.7  4.3  12.0  .210   6.4  2.9 9.2  7.8
1987-88      24 PHI NBA  PF   80  3170 27.6 .665 .122 .741 14.0 20.8 17.4 14.1  1.6  1.9 15.2 26.7   13.4  3.3  16.7  .253   8.3  0.7 9.0  8.7
1988-89      25 PHI NBA  PF   79  3088 27.0 .653 .134 .661 14.5 21.3 17.9 16.0  2.0  1.3 14.0 24.4   13.2  2.9  16.1  .250   8.5  1.3 9.8  9.2
1989-90      26 PHI NBA  PF   79  3085 27.1 .661 .078 .632 13.4 20.0 16.7 15.6  2.4  1.0 13.9 24.0   13.1  4.2  17.3  .269   8.0  1.7 9.8  9.2
1990-91      27 PHI NBA  PF   67  2498 28.9 .635 .133 .564 11.8 18.6 15.3 20.6  2.2  0.8 12.6 29.1   10.3  3.1  13.4  .258   9.0  0.9 9.9  7.4
1991-92      28 PHI NBA  PF   75  2881 24.5 .612 .122 .580 10.9 22.0 16.5 18.1  2.4  0.9 14.3 25.1    8.6  3.7  12.3  .205   5.9  1.5 7.4  6.9
1992-93      29 PHO NBA  PF   76  2859 25.9 .596 .160 .423  9.5 26.3 18.1 21.2  2.0  1.6 12.5 26.9    9.6  4.8  14.4  .242   5.9  2.4 8.3  7.5
1993-94      30 PHO NBA  PF   65  2298 22.8 .563 .170 .432  9.8 25.6 17.8 20.0  2.2  1.0 14.2 26.5    5.6  3.3   8.8  .185   4.1  1.5 5.7  4.5
1994-95      31 PHO NBA  PF   68  2382 25.2 .572 .192 .444  9.8 26.8 18.2 18.9  2.3  1.4  9.9 27.5    7.4  3.3  10.6  .214   4.9  1.6 6.4  5.1
1995-96      32 PHO NBA  PF   71  2632 24.8 .585 .151 .488 10.9 25.0 18.1 17.4  2.2  1.6 13.4 27.5    7.0  3.5  10.5  .191   4.5  1.4 5.9  5.2
1996-97      33 HOU NBA  PF   53  2009 23.0 .581 .296 .600 12.9 27.7 20.7 20.6  1.8  0.9 14.7 23.2    5.7  3.7   9.4  .224   4.4  2.8 7.1  4.6
1997-98      34 HOU NBA  PF   68  2243 21.6 .564 .113 .534 12.9 28.8 20.9 16.6  1.7  0.9 13.8 21.6    6.1  2.5   8.6  .183   2.8  1.3 4.0  3.4
1998-99      35 HOU NBA  PF   42  1526 23.1 .546 .050 .532 13.7 25.1 19.8 22.1  1.5  0.6 13.9 22.2    4.8  2.0   6.8  .215   3.7  1.8 5.5  2.9
1999-00      36 HOU NBA  PF   20   620 19.8 .534 .117 .495 13.1 24.4 18.9 17.3  1.2  0.4 14.0 22.3    1.3  0.6   1.9  .148   2.1  0.3 2.4  0.7
Career              NBA     1073 39330 24.6 .612 .129 .554 12.5 23.7 18.2 17.5  2.1  1.4 14.8 24.8  123.3 53.9 177.2  .216   5.7  1.8 7.4 93.5
                                                                                                                                              
8 seasons       PHI NBA      610 22761 25.3 .640 .102 .613 13.5 21.7 17.7 16.1  2.2  1.6 16.1 24.4   75.9 30.2 106.1  .224   6.6  1.8 8.4 59.7
4 seasons       PHO NBA      280 10171 24.7 .580 .168 .446 10.0 25.9 18.0 19.4  2.2  1.4 12.5 27.1   29.6 14.8  44.4  .210   4.9  1.8 6.7 22.3
4 seasons       HOU NBA      183  6398 22.2 .562 .157 .550 13.1 27.2 20.4 19.3  1.6  0.8 14.1 22.3   17.9  8.8  26.7  .200   3.4  1.8 5.2 11.6
knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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10/27/2015  8:28 AM
Charles was a wrecking machine in his day. At 6-6 he could fly and was strong.

I like his act, his humor and his acumen is as good as anyone. nobody is always right, and when he is wrong he admits it. dude puts a lot of opinions on the line which is admirable.

It don't matter what charles says or thinks. Its just entertainment! Same for any writer as well.
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10/27/2015  9:58 AM
dk7th wrote:underneath the facade of entertainer there is a keen basketball mind. i tend to listen closely to hall of fame players like he and shaquille. stephen a and jalen rose not so much. perhaps a number of posters never saw him play. below are his advanced numbers, which indicate all-time greatness. a complete player if ever there was.

Season      Age  Tm  Lg Pos    G    MP  PER  TS% 3PAr  FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG%    OWS  DWS    WS WS/48  OBPM DBPM BPM VORP
1984-85      21 PHI NBA  PF   82  2347 18.3 .599 .008 .511 12.9 20.8 16.9  9.6  1.9  2.0 17.9 20.0    4.2  3.3   7.5  .154   1.9  1.5 3.4  3.2
1985-86      22 PHI NBA  PF   80  2952 22.4 .619 .072 .555 13.4 25.4 19.4 16.0  2.8  2.4 21.3 22.4    5.4  5.5  10.8  .176   4.0  3.9 7.9  7.3
1986-87      23 PHI NBA  PF   68  2740 25.1 .660 .111 .602 16.7 24.8 20.8 19.0  2.1  2.2 21.4 23.1    7.7  4.3  12.0  .210   6.4  2.9 9.2  7.8
1987-88      24 PHI NBA  PF   80  3170 27.6 .665 .122 .741 14.0 20.8 17.4 14.1  1.6  1.9 15.2 26.7   13.4  3.3  16.7  .253   8.3  0.7 9.0  8.7
1988-89      25 PHI NBA  PF   79  3088 27.0 .653 .134 .661 14.5 21.3 17.9 16.0  2.0  1.3 14.0 24.4   13.2  2.9  16.1  .250   8.5  1.3 9.8  9.2
1989-90      26 PHI NBA  PF   79  3085 27.1 .661 .078 .632 13.4 20.0 16.7 15.6  2.4  1.0 13.9 24.0   13.1  4.2  17.3  .269   8.0  1.7 9.8  9.2
1990-91      27 PHI NBA  PF   67  2498 28.9 .635 .133 .564 11.8 18.6 15.3 20.6  2.2  0.8 12.6 29.1   10.3  3.1  13.4  .258   9.0  0.9 9.9  7.4
1991-92      28 PHI NBA  PF   75  2881 24.5 .612 .122 .580 10.9 22.0 16.5 18.1  2.4  0.9 14.3 25.1    8.6  3.7  12.3  .205   5.9  1.5 7.4  6.9
1992-93      29 PHO NBA  PF   76  2859 25.9 .596 .160 .423  9.5 26.3 18.1 21.2  2.0  1.6 12.5 26.9    9.6  4.8  14.4  .242   5.9  2.4 8.3  7.5
1993-94      30 PHO NBA  PF   65  2298 22.8 .563 .170 .432  9.8 25.6 17.8 20.0  2.2  1.0 14.2 26.5    5.6  3.3   8.8  .185   4.1  1.5 5.7  4.5
1994-95      31 PHO NBA  PF   68  2382 25.2 .572 .192 .444  9.8 26.8 18.2 18.9  2.3  1.4  9.9 27.5    7.4  3.3  10.6  .214   4.9  1.6 6.4  5.1
1995-96      32 PHO NBA  PF   71  2632 24.8 .585 .151 .488 10.9 25.0 18.1 17.4  2.2  1.6 13.4 27.5    7.0  3.5  10.5  .191   4.5  1.4 5.9  5.2
1996-97      33 HOU NBA  PF   53  2009 23.0 .581 .296 .600 12.9 27.7 20.7 20.6  1.8  0.9 14.7 23.2    5.7  3.7   9.4  .224   4.4  2.8 7.1  4.6
1997-98      34 HOU NBA  PF   68  2243 21.6 .564 .113 .534 12.9 28.8 20.9 16.6  1.7  0.9 13.8 21.6    6.1  2.5   8.6  .183   2.8  1.3 4.0  3.4
1998-99      35 HOU NBA  PF   42  1526 23.1 .546 .050 .532 13.7 25.1 19.8 22.1  1.5  0.6 13.9 22.2    4.8  2.0   6.8  .215   3.7  1.8 5.5  2.9
1999-00      36 HOU NBA  PF   20   620 19.8 .534 .117 .495 13.1 24.4 18.9 17.3  1.2  0.4 14.0 22.3    1.3  0.6   1.9  .148   2.1  0.3 2.4  0.7
Career              NBA     1073 39330 24.6 .612 .129 .554 12.5 23.7 18.2 17.5  2.1  1.4 14.8 24.8  123.3 53.9 177.2  .216   5.7  1.8 7.4 93.5
                                                                                                                                              
8 seasons       PHI NBA      610 22761 25.3 .640 .102 .613 13.5 21.7 17.7 16.1  2.2  1.6 16.1 24.4   75.9 30.2 106.1  .224   6.6  1.8 8.4 59.7
4 seasons       PHO NBA      280 10171 24.7 .580 .168 .446 10.0 25.9 18.0 19.4  2.2  1.4 12.5 27.1   29.6 14.8  44.4  .210   4.9  1.8 6.7 22.3
4 seasons       HOU NBA      183  6398 22.2 .562 .157 .550 13.1 27.2 20.4 19.3  1.6  0.8 14.1 22.3   17.9  8.8  26.7  .200   3.4  1.8 5.2 11.6

a great player does not make a smart announcer or a smart coach.

love barkley but he aint no genius.

His advanced stats were really ridiculous.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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10/27/2015  10:32 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/27/2015  10:33 AM
WaltLongmire wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:Anyone know who his sleeper teams were last year?

phili..lol


For real??

barkely is either on point, or "terrbly" wrong, but it's not hard to agree with what he's saying.

I said this team has enough talent to win 42 to 48 games, anything less will be a horrible season, and phil would have to take a hard look at the coaching staff next off season.

The team is deep enough to sustain injuries, we have unselfish player (although the verdict is still out on melo, and dwill) we have some avg to above avg defensive players. Overall, it's a respectable decent NBA roster, no excuses.

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10/27/2015  11:02 AM
He was a great basketball player and athlete, I'm not going to dispute that. But he's also a high profile POS and I don't give a damn what he says about anything. He and SAS can go skipping along hand in hand deep into Uncle Ruckus Land.
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10/27/2015  11:14 AM
We rarely had a full time on the floor and when we did there were very few NBA players.

5 points - 5
4 points - 3
3 points - 3
2 points - 3
1 point - 1

The team lost 15 games by 5 points or less last season. I don't know why it's that hard to fathom this team winning 37-42 games this season. The NBA is a lazy league and players rarely play hard for all 82 games. We have a bunch of grinders and sometimes that's all it takes to stay in games. If Melo plays well and you get anything out of Zinger and Grant the team can make some good strides this season.
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MS wrote:We rarely had a full time on the floor and when we did there were very few NBA players.

5 points - 5
4 points - 3
3 points - 3
2 points - 3
1 point - 1

The team lost 15 games by 5 points or less last season. I don't know why it's that hard to fathom this team winning 37-42 games this season. The NBA is a lazy league and players rarely play hard for all 82 games. We have a bunch of grinders and sometimes that's all it takes to stay in games. If Melo plays well and you get anything out of Zinger and Grant the team can make some good strides this season.

Yeah, the laziness is definitely something to consider here. When you've got a team made up of a bunch of guys with chips on their shoulders, the way The Knicks kind of do right now, you can take advantage of catching teams when they're kind of just going through the motions. I know, it takes more than just a chip on your shoulder, but these guys have some talent too. I think 37 - 42 is do-able. I predicted 36 because I just have a bad feeling there will be many injuries this season, again. I really don't like the medical staff of this team. Injuries seem to get worse under their care, never better. But what worries me more than anything is if they start to go out there and play like robots again, like they were doing last year. If they do that they're going to fail miserably. They have to keep it loose.

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10/27/2015  12:30 PM
Barkleys's an idiot. We are now guaranteed to not make the playoffs.
Has to be some sort of reverse psych, but I don't think he's actually capable of that.


Wow, we should always listen to a great, HOF-level player that never made it all the way in the varsity season....hmmmmm.

Shaq, a keen basketball mind. Yes, that's why he's not coaching for 5 mil a year, because players like RoundClown and Shaqtinafool are God's gift to TV analysis.
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jrodmc wrote:Barkleys's an idiot. We are now guaranteed to not make the playoffs.
Has to be some sort of reverse psych, but I don't think he's actually capable of that.


Wow, we should always listen to a great, HOF-level player that never made it all the way in the varsity season....hmmmmm.

Shaq, a keen basketball mind. Yes, that's why he's not coaching for 5 mil a year, because players like RoundClown and Shaqtinafool are God's gift to TV analysis.

LMAO that's pretty good. Remember, Chuck doesn't have to be capable of reverse psychology himself. He works for TNT.

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I will say this though, as much as Barkley makes me want to puke, he is correct about there being a better quality of NBA talent on this team this year. A broken clock is right twice a day.
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herkyJerky wrote:I will say this though, as much as Barkley makes me want to puke, he is correct about there being a better quality of NBA talent on this team this year. A broken clock is right twice a day.

Yes, and you certainly would need a truly keen basketball mind to know that (this current crew, if healthy) is greater than (combination of NBDL players/the flotsam we jettisoned in the offseason/one or two journeyman bench players).
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jrodmc wrote:Barkleys's an idiot. We are now guaranteed to not make the playoffs.
Has to be some sort of reverse psych, but I don't think he's actually capable of that.


Wow, we should always listen to a great, HOF-level player that never made it all the way in the varsity season....hmmmmm.

Shaq, a keen basketball mind. Yes, that's why he's not coaching for 5 mil a year, because players like RoundClown and Shaqtinafool are God's gift to TV analysis.

can you even vision barkley or shack has coaches, in fact, how many H O f players are coaching in the NBA

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knicks1248 wrote:
jrodmc wrote:Barkleys's an idiot. We are now guaranteed to not make the playoffs.
Has to be some sort of reverse psych, but I don't think he's actually capable of that.


Wow, we should always listen to a great, HOF-level player that never made it all the way in the varsity season....hmmmmm.

Shaq, a keen basketball mind. Yes, that's why he's not coaching for 5 mil a year, because players like RoundClown and Shaqtinafool are God's gift to TV analysis.

can you even vision barkley or shack has coaches, in fact, how many H O f players are coaching in the NBA

why would they want to coach? They have dream jobs. Coaching is really hard and it takes a unique personality to be successful. Broadcasting is a much better gig and its also far more secure.

Either way, you really need to have some personality.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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jrodmc wrote:
herkyJerky wrote:I will say this though, as much as Barkley makes me want to puke, he is correct about there being a better quality of NBA talent on this team this year. A broken clock is right twice a day.

Yes, and you certainly would need a truly keen basketball mind to know that (this current crew, if healthy) is greater than (combination of NBDL players/the flotsam we jettisoned in the offseason/one or two journeyman bench players).

Lol yes, you would certainly need a brilliant mind to be able to see that. I'll tell you what though, he seems to be the only one acknowledging it. Well him and Zeek. But Zeek's just sucking up to the boss. Everybody knows that.

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