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Finestrg
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10/20/2015  1:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/20/2015  2:14 PM
I like Afflalo. Good signing. Really looking forward to establishing him in that starting 5. I'd actually like to see TA developed and even fast-tracked as a shooting guard but it doesn't look like the Knicks feel that way. That leaves Sasha V as the backup (along with some Galloway) and I'm not completely comfortable there, esp. with Vujacic. I think he's been subpar. Phil talked about him as "game changer who could change the game in 3 mins" and "a significant force coming off the bench." Man, he might be living in the past a little here -- just don't know if I see that.

Here's one guy who was out there toward the tail end of FA that I wish we would've gotten instead Vujacic -- John Jenkins. Younger, better NBA future, and he's probably a more consistent, higher potential impact overall player at this point. He's played real well for the Mavs this preseason:


Nothing we can do about that now (unless Jenkins gets cut at the end of preseason which doesn't look likely). Moving on, I see the Portland Trailblazers are stacked with young 2Gs:

CJ McCollum
Allen Crabbe
Pat Connaughton
Gerald Henderson

That's seems like one guy too many, even on a team that's in 100% rebuilding mode after losing Aldridge. They'd have no use for any of our vet players (Calderon, etc.). The only two players we have that fit what they're trying to do (build it up young and talented from scratch) is Porzingis or Grant (rights to Henrangomez could be appealing as well). IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN I KNOW, so don't go to nuts on me, but I wonder how they feel about Porzingis. Grant I wanna hang onto, but I wonder what we could get for Zinger -- Noah Vonleh & CJ McCollum or Vonleh/Crabbe, Vonleh/Connaughton/future 2nd round pick? Again, not gonna happen I know--the Knicks love Zinger, just thinking out loud much in the same way I was thinking out loud before the draft about trading down for a lower lottery pick (Kaminsky? Myles Turner?) + an additional asset(s)...

Another couple of more likely scenarios with the Blazers: (1) the rights to Willy Hernangomez for Crabbe or Connaughton? Crabbe would supplant Vujacic (who I would then cut) or if it's for Connaughton, we keep SV and allow Connaughton to make the roster as the 15th guy knowing we have good depth there now should Sasha continue to underperform (I would then waive Lance Thomas so I could keep TA--but that's just me) OR (2) we just wait this out and target a guy like Crabbe in FA next summer (Jordan Clarkson's a guy on my FA radar next summer as well). Thing here is I think we could make a little noise this year and would hate for a lack of 2G depth to hold us back (esp. if AA went down for a period of time). I think I'd rather see the team look to shore up the position now rather than wait.

Thoughts on the 2 spot (what could've been, what could be)?

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10/20/2015  2:15 PM
TA is NOT a SG. You can't put someone who can't shoot at SG.
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Finestrg
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10/20/2015  2:39 PM
BigRedDog wrote:TA is NOT a SG. You can't put someone who can't shoot at SG.

Could Gerald Wilkins really shoot? No, wasn't even a high IQ player and he was turnover prone (all the same criticisms people have with TA) yet he carved out a nice career for himself as an NBA 2G. I loved Gerald--dude was one of if not my fav. Knicks ever--I feel TA has a higher ceiling. Might already be an even better defender, possibly an even better athlete and I think there's just as good or better possibility that he could evolve into an even better offensive player. The potential's there--I think his jump-shot form is better than what I remember from Gerald.

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10/20/2015  3:48 PM
Finestrg wrote:
BigRedDog wrote:TA is NOT a SG. You can't put someone who can't shoot at SG.

Could Gerald Wilkins really shoot? No, wasn't even a high IQ player and he was turnover prone (all the same criticisms people have with TA) yet he carved out a nice career for himself as an NBA 2G. I loved Gerald--dude was one of if not my fav. Knicks ever--I feel TA has a higher ceiling. Might already be an even better defender, possibly an even better athlete and I think there's just as good or better possibility that he could evolve into an even better offensive player. The potential's there--I think his jump-shot form is better than what I remember from Gerald.

Gerald Wilkins game is not for todays NBA. You need to be able to shoot the rock especially as an SG.

Did anybody see what happened with Tony Allen in the playoffs? And that is Tony Allen who is a supreme defender.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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10/20/2015  4:09 PM
dejavu all over again
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10/20/2015  4:55 PM
Haven't they been using Early as a wing/ shooting guard? Unlike Thanasis, he appears to actually be able to shoot.
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10/20/2015  5:57 PM
There was a good write up on Jenkins and how he has done in camp recently. It sounds like he was a really good signing.
http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas-mavericks/post/_/id/4705670/john-jenkins-im-coming-for-minutes
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10/20/2015  6:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/20/2015  6:57 PM
CrushAlot wrote:There was a good write up on Jenkins and how he has done in camp recently. It sounds like he was a really good signing.
http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas-mavericks/post/_/id/4705670/john-jenkins-im-coming-for-minutes

I like him. Saw about 90% of the Dallas/Cavs game and Jenkins played great. He reminds me of a smaller Kyle Korver (the shooting form is almost identical)/less athletic Monta Ellis. Dude can really shoot it. I even like him with the ball in his hands. Good handle and he can make plays--really knows how to get bigs the ball playing pick & roll/pop & pop out high. Dallas had him out there as the primary ball-handler at times and he did a nice job. We passed on Shved because we didn't want to pay him. Jenkins was a vet minimum signing and would've been a great fallback option. Phil and Fisher LOVE Sasha V. I just feel his familiarity with the triangle is overrated (no one on the team has any familiarity with the triangle) and he hasn't shot the ball well at all. Hasn't really been a consistent FG shooter throughout his career. Hasn't even been in the league...I just hope I'm wrong about him because he's their "game changer" and "significant force" coming off the bench. Phil's words, not mine.

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10/20/2015  6:49 PM
clyderules wrote:Haven't they been using Early as a wing/ shooting guard? Unlike Thanasis, he appears to actually be able to shoot.

I don't remember him specifically operating at the 2 alongside another wing but maybe he could do that. He's played pretty well. Looked real good vs. Charlotte. He can shoot and drive--no real guard-type skills though.

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10/20/2015  7:23 PM
Didn't we work him out? Seem to recall his name mentioned during the off season.
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10/20/2015  7:58 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/20/2015  7:59 PM
Finestrg wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:There was a good write up on Jenkins and how he has done in camp recently. It sounds like he was a really good signing.
http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas-mavericks/post/_/id/4705670/john-jenkins-im-coming-for-minutes

I like him. Saw about 90% of the Dallas/Cavs game and Jenkins played great. He reminds me of a smaller Kyle Korver (the shooting form is almost identical)/less athletic Monta Ellis. Dude can really shoot it. I even like him with the ball in his hands. Good handle and he can make plays--really knows how to get bigs the ball playing pick & roll/pop & pop out high. Dallas had him out there as the primary ball-handler at times and he did a nice job. We passed on Shved because we didn't want to pay him. Jenkins was a vet minimum signing and would've been a great fallback option. Phil and Fisher LOVE Sasha V. I just feel his familiarity with the triangle is overrated (no one on the team has any familiarity with the triangle) and he hasn't shot the ball well at all. Hasn't really been a consistent FG shooter throughout his career. Hasn't even been in the league...I just hope I'm wrong about him because he's their "game changer" and "significant force" coming off the bench. Phil's words, not mine.

Add mentor and babysitter for Porzingas to Sasha's resume. If Early isn't the SG backup, I think it will be addressed thru a trade or during the off-season.

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10/20/2015  8:01 PM
Finestrg wrote:
clyderules wrote:Haven't they been using Early as a wing/ shooting guard? Unlike Thanasis, he appears to actually be able to shoot.

I don't remember him specifically operating at the 2 alongside another wing but maybe he could do that. He's played pretty well. Looked real good vs. Charlotte. He can shoot and drive--no real guard-type skills though.

what skills are those?

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10/20/2015  8:03 PM
martin wrote:
Finestrg wrote:
clyderules wrote:Haven't they been using Early as a wing/ shooting guard? Unlike Thanasis, he appears to actually be able to shoot.

I don't remember him specifically operating at the 2 alongside another wing but maybe he could do that. He's played pretty well. Looked real good vs. Charlotte. He can shoot and drive--no real guard-type skills though.

what skills are those?

the ones that Thanasis has

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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10/20/2015  8:27 PM
martin wrote:
Finestrg wrote:
clyderules wrote:Haven't they been using Early as a wing/ shooting guard? Unlike Thanasis, he appears to actually be able to shoot.

I don't remember him specifically operating at the 2 alongside another wing but maybe he could do that. He's played pretty well. Looked real good vs. Charlotte. He can shoot and drive--no real guard-type skills though.

what skills are those?

I like what I have seen recently from Early but I don't think he is a SG. Not a great dribbler and not a great outside shooter. Who knows, maybe he can improve on those shortfalls.

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10/20/2015  8:40 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/20/2015  9:37 PM
martin wrote:
Finestrg wrote:
clyderules wrote:Haven't they been using Early as a wing/ shooting guard? Unlike Thanasis, he appears to actually be able to shoot.

I don't remember him specifically operating at the 2 alongside another wing but maybe he could do that. He's played pretty well. Looked real good vs. Charlotte. He can shoot and drive--no real guard-type skills though.

what skills are those?

Ball-handling, passing, maybe also the level of shooting that you'd expect from an off-guard (although I like Early's stroke when he squares himself up--I think he could develop that aspect into a real strength, he's just not there yet. And granted, TA's shooting isn't there yet either. He's probably behind Early in this area--no argument). Hey, maybe Early could play some 2G. I'm not completely discounting that idea. Ask yourself though -- does he really feel like a guard to you?

Mreinman's getting on me but I think TA has and could develop even more guard skills than Early. TA had a couple of nice passes the other night in Charlotte. I think TA's much better equipped to guard opposing 2Gs over Early too.

Let's all agree to disagree on TA and put that to bed for now...What about Portland's surplus of SGs? Any interest in those guys? Probably couldn't get McCollum (star in the making--I think he's gonna have a big year for them) and we may not want to fool around with Henderson (bad hip -- not set to return any time soon). That leaves Allen Crabbe or Pat Connaughton. I wonder if trading the rights to Willy Hernangomez (throw in the rights to Louis Labeyrie as well?) is enough to get either guy? I know they like Willy, like that he's close with KP, but you gotta give to get. Portland may like the idea of acquiring the rights to a player instead of getting an actual player back at this time...With Al-Farouq Aminu and Mo Harkless at the 3, I think they're OK there and may not have too much interest in Early.

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10/20/2015  8:57 PM
Grant can also be a "SG," I would think.

Don't think that this is a priority for Phil at this point, IMO. I think the guys we have on the team at this time should be able to cover the position this year.

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10/20/2015  9:21 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/20/2015  9:30 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:Grant can also be a "SG," I would think.

Don't think that this is a priority for Phil at this point, IMO. I think the guys we have on the team at this time should be able to cover the position this year.

Agreed. I think Grant's very much in the mix playing some 2 off the ball. Might actually benefit him at times by being able to concentrate more on being in attack mode.

I hope you're right about having the position covered this year. I just feel the frontcourt is deeper than the backcourt. If one of our primary guards ever went down, I feel like we'll be scrambling a little bit. I also wish Galloway brought a little more PG skills to the table which would improve overall backcourt versatility. I do like what he does bring though. He's definitely growing on me.

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10/20/2015  9:36 PM
we talked about Jenkins over the summer. great shooter...but a horrible horrible defender coming off a Knee injury. sure id rather have him or vujevic. but what vujevic adds is knowledge of the triangle and a mentor.

both are scrubs though. lol

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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10/20/2015  9:38 PM
there's no reason why fisher can't shift calderon over to the shooting guard position during games, especially as the season wears on, he wears down, and grant gets more comfortable. it's the triangle and he is the best shooter the knicks have on the roster.
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10/20/2015  9:40 PM
Didn't realize he is averaging 19 a game in preseason.
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