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EnySpree
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10/8/2015  9:22 AM
I'm predicting Kyle O'Quinn will be names the starter with Melo and Rolo up front.

Jerian Grant will be the starter with Galloway being the backup. Calderón is officially old and should be a part of the coaching staff as the 3rd string point guard.

Kevin Seraphin is going to keep Rolo and O'Quinn minutes down. Kristaps looks to be the odd man out. He can shoot but he's not better than the other guys yet. He needs to keep getting better in practice.

Early is ready to be in the rotation, but so is Derrick Williams.... there's room for both if Fisher plays 10 guys, and he should.

Sasha Vujacic is going to be a great sub for us. It's unfortunate Afflalo is hurt, but I think Sasha is solid all around. Enough to be our starter until Afflalo can find his legs.

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10/8/2015  9:29 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/8/2015  9:29 AM
I agree for the most part..The problem is see with the team last night is the the group is slow footed, lacks reaction time in defensive rotation and lacks recovery when they are beaten...It's the reason O'Quinn lost his job in Orlando..We don't have athletes..Saraphin and O'Quinn look like they can be decent offensively but this team has to play defense to win games...We don't have the offense to outscore people, so it will have to be on the defensive end..I'm guessing that why Fisher started KP for his length...Playing Calderon and Sasha together in the back court against NBA players will be a non-starter...But I'm hoping AA makes a quick return...
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10/8/2015  9:35 AM
holfresh wrote:I agree for the most part..The problem is see with the team last night is the the group is slow footed, lacks reaction time in defensive rotation and lacks recovery when they are beaten...It's the reason O'Quinn lost his job in Orlando..We don't have athletes..Saraphin and O'Quinn look like they can be decent offensively but this team has to play defense to win games...We don't have the offense to outscore people, so it will have to be on the defensive end..I'm guessing that why Fisher started KP for his length...Playing Calderon and Sasha together in the back court against NBA players will be a non-starter...But I'm hoping AA makes a quick return...

The starting group didn't play good defense. That's because of Kristaps often. Rolo said something to him a few times out there for falling asleep. O'Quinn and Seraphin were impressive on both ends and the boards.

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10/8/2015  9:38 AM
Too early to predict starting lineups yet with Afflalo out. KP didn't have his sea legs tonight.

That said, I see alot of minutes for O'Quinn and Seraphin at the 4 and 5 this season. They're interchangeable big bodies and seemed to play well together.

After preseason game 1 against an overmatched team from Brazil, I got to say Calderon is shot. He doesn't belong in the NBA anymore. Just looked old out there.

Vujacic looked eager and spry, but he was chucking like there was no tomorrow. Mostly misfiring badly. He belongs on the bench as a veteran sparkplug.

Melo was on fire last night. Then again it was Brazil, so I doubt he goes 8-10 consistently against NBA competition. His defense still sucks. His man got some easy layups on him at times.

RoLo looked like he will for most of the season. Just a big roadblock in the paint. He might not block alot of shots, but his wingspan and size will be a nuisance for any penetrators.

KP just looked nervous as phuck out there. Hesitant, unsure, overthinking. Kid's 20, he'll get there over time.

Jerian/Galloway. What can you say? That combo is what blew the game open. Jerian with the penetration, Gallo with his tough man to man D, grit, and bucket making.

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10/8/2015  9:47 AM
calderone looks like he has for most of his career, he was never fast, never been much a defensive guy, and certainly was never athletic.

That team from brazil, plays a euro style whipping the ball around, constant PnR (which we still have a problem defending as a team) and took a million 3 pointers.

It's the exact same approach/system MDA used, it creates a zillion open 3's, and MDA abused teams when he had the shooters, no matter how good a defense you have, you can't defend the Pnr consistently, and sure as hell can't defend ball movement.

I would definitely not start grant or KP, at least not until they prove they get it.

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10/8/2015  9:59 AM
As expected except of Melo team is flat of talent.
Like 10 guys at the same level. Some are underdeveloped for various reasons and some are what they are - established role players.
We have a lot of redundant parts for future trades.
The team building is up to good start but it will be multi-year process.
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10/8/2015  10:31 AM
holfresh wrote:I agree for the most part..The problem is see with the team last night is the the group is slow footed, lacks reaction time in defensive rotation and lacks recovery when they are beaten...It's the reason O'Quinn lost his job in Orlando..We don't have athletes..Saraphin and O'Quinn look like they can be decent offensively but this team has to play defense to win games...We don't have the offense to outscore people, so it will have to be on the defensive end..I'm guessing that why Fisher started KP for his length...Playing Calderon and Sasha together in the back court against NBA players will be a non-starter...But I'm hoping AA makes a quick return...
that jumped out at me too... we have alot of size but its pretty slow. I thought Sasha looked pretty good thought. Calderon looked terrible, but Grant and Galloway looked very good
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10/8/2015  10:38 AM
fishmike wrote:
holfresh wrote:I agree for the most part..The problem is see with the team last night is the the group is slow footed, lacks reaction time in defensive rotation and lacks recovery when they are beaten...It's the reason O'Quinn lost his job in Orlando..We don't have athletes..Saraphin and O'Quinn look like they can be decent offensively but this team has to play defense to win games...We don't have the offense to outscore people, so it will have to be on the defensive end..I'm guessing that why Fisher started KP for his length...Playing Calderon and Sasha together in the back court against NBA players will be a non-starter...But I'm hoping AA makes a quick return...
that jumped out at me too... we have alot of size but its pretty slow. I thought Sasha looked pretty good thought. Calderon looked terrible, but Grant and Galloway looked very good

sash got torched on defense.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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10/8/2015  10:42 AM
arkrud wrote:As expected except of Melo team is flat of talent.
Like 10 guys at the same level. Some are underdeveloped for various reasons and some are what they are - established role players.
We have a lot of redundant parts for future trades.
The team building is up to good start but it will be multi-year process.

Having a team with Flat Talent isn't necessarily a bad thing. It depends on the level that hey all perform at. Look at how the Bench guys performed overall. I think it's a good sign. If they can continue to perform well that is gonna really help this team this year. IMO this is a fairly deep roster with not a lot of top line talent but a decent quality level overall. You CAN WIN with that.


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FIELD GOALSREBOUNDS
 	        POS	MIN	FGM-A	3PM-A	FTM-A	+/-	OFF	DEF	TOT	AST	PF	ST	TO	BS	BA	PTS
C. Anthony	F	20:25	8-10	1-2	0-0	0	2	1	3	1	1	0	1	0	0	17
K. Porzingis	F	20:35	2-6	2-3	1-2	0	1	1	2	0	2	0	2	1	0	7
R. Lopez	C	16:18	2-6	0-0	2-2	-4	2	2	4	2	2	0	1	0	0	6
J. Calderon	G	16:18	1-4	1-3	0-0	-4	0	3	3	2	4	2	2	0	0	3
S. Vujacic	G	20:25	3-8	0-1	3-3	0	3	2	5	3	0	0	1	0	0	9
L. Galloway	 	31:42	4-8	1-3	0-0	+23	2	6	8	3	1	2	1	0	0	9
K. O'Quinn	 	20:47	5-7	1-1	3-4	+15	0	8	8	4	0	0	1	1	0	14
L. Thomas	 	12:02	0-1	0-1	0-0	+11	0	1	1	0	0	1	3	0	0	0
J. Grant	 	27:35	3-10	0-2	2-3	+19	0	2	2	4	1	0	1	0	0	8
K. Seraphin	 	21:43	7-11	0-0	0-0	+19	2	3	5	0	2	1	3	0	0	14
D. Williams	 	14:51	2-4	1-3	1-4	+12	1	3	4	1	0	0	2	0	0	6
C. Early	 	14:24	1-2	1-1	4-4	+6	0	3	3	1	4	0	2	0	0	7

IMO the guys who perform will play the most minutes as they did last night. The Preseason is about seeing who deserves to start and play the most minutes. It will become clear.
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10/8/2015  10:47 AM
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:
holfresh wrote:I agree for the most part..The problem is see with the team last night is the the group is slow footed, lacks reaction time in defensive rotation and lacks recovery when they are beaten...It's the reason O'Quinn lost his job in Orlando..We don't have athletes..Saraphin and O'Quinn look like they can be decent offensively but this team has to play defense to win games...We don't have the offense to outscore people, so it will have to be on the defensive end..I'm guessing that why Fisher started KP for his length...Playing Calderon and Sasha together in the back court against NBA players will be a non-starter...But I'm hoping AA makes a quick return...
that jumped out at me too... we have alot of size but its pretty slow. I thought Sasha looked pretty good thought. Calderon looked terrible, but Grant and Galloway looked very good

sash got torched on defense.

Vujacic looked like a dude a few years removed from the NBA...

Definitely a bench spark player only. No more than 10-12 minutes a game.
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10/8/2015  10:51 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:
holfresh wrote:I agree for the most part..The problem is see with the team last night is the the group is slow footed, lacks reaction time in defensive rotation and lacks recovery when they are beaten...It's the reason O'Quinn lost his job in Orlando..We don't have athletes..Saraphin and O'Quinn look like they can be decent offensively but this team has to play defense to win games...We don't have the offense to outscore people, so it will have to be on the defensive end..I'm guessing that why Fisher started KP for his length...Playing Calderon and Sasha together in the back court against NBA players will be a non-starter...But I'm hoping AA makes a quick return...
that jumped out at me too... we have alot of size but its pretty slow. I thought Sasha looked pretty good thought. Calderon looked terrible, but Grant and Galloway looked very good

sash got torched on defense.

Vujacic looked like a dude a few years removed from the NBA...

Definitely a bench spark player only. No more than 10-12 minutes a game.

Yeah Sasha is not here to be a major minute player. He has his role and only got the start due to injury. He will have his moments where he's hot shooting and that's not bad to have off the bench.
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10/8/2015  10:52 AM
DId we lose the game?
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10/8/2015  10:55 AM
I don't think our bench's numbers will be as good against an NBA team. The alarming thing here is Lopez's +/-. He can't make up for 4 terrible defenders. The good news is that 3 of them won't be starters. So basically, our starting unit will have better +/- and our reserves +/- will come back down to earth. This isn't a playoff team, but it looks like we one or two key pieces away. Our bigs are legitimate NBA bigs. I hate to be captain obvious, but we need better guard play on the starting unit to win games against playoff caliber teams

nixluva wrote:
arkrud wrote:As expected except of Melo team is flat of talent.
Like 10 guys at the same level. Some are underdeveloped for various reasons and some are what they are - established role players.
We have a lot of redundant parts for future trades.
The team building is up to good start but it will be multi-year process.

Having a team with Flat Talent isn't necessarily a bad thing. It depends on the level that hey all perform at. Look at how the Bench guys performed overall. I think it's a good sign. If they can continue to perform well that is gonna really help this team this year. IMO this is a fairly deep roster with not a lot of top line talent but a decent quality level overall. You CAN WIN with that.


NEW YORK KNICKS (1-0)
FIELD GOALSREBOUNDS
 	        POS	MIN	FGM-A	3PM-A	FTM-A	+/-	OFF	DEF	TOT	AST	PF	ST	TO	BS	BA	PTS
C. Anthony	F	20:25	8-10	1-2	0-0	0	2	1	3	1	1	0	1	0	0	17
K. Porzingis	F	20:35	2-6	2-3	1-2	0	1	1	2	0	2	0	2	1	0	7
R. Lopez	C	16:18	2-6	0-0	2-2	-4	2	2	4	2	2	0	1	0	0	6
J. Calderon	G	16:18	1-4	1-3	0-0	-4	0	3	3	2	4	2	2	0	0	3
S. Vujacic	G	20:25	3-8	0-1	3-3	0	3	2	5	3	0	0	1	0	0	9
L. Galloway	 	31:42	4-8	1-3	0-0	+23	2	6	8	3	1	2	1	0	0	9
K. O'Quinn	 	20:47	5-7	1-1	3-4	+15	0	8	8	4	0	0	1	1	0	14
L. Thomas	 	12:02	0-1	0-1	0-0	+11	0	1	1	0	0	1	3	0	0	0
J. Grant	 	27:35	3-10	0-2	2-3	+19	0	2	2	4	1	0	1	0	0	8
K. Seraphin	 	21:43	7-11	0-0	0-0	+19	2	3	5	0	2	1	3	0	0	14
D. Williams	 	14:51	2-4	1-3	1-4	+12	1	3	4	1	0	0	2	0	0	6
C. Early	 	14:24	1-2	1-1	4-4	+6	0	3	3	1	4	0	2	0	0	7

IMO the guys who perform will play the most minutes as they did last night. The Preseason is about seeing who deserves to start and play the most minutes. It will become clear.
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10/8/2015  10:58 AM
Nalod wrote:DId we lose the game?

You would think we pulled a Nets last night. LOL. IMO this team blowing out Bauru is actually a good sign. This team wasn't even close to mid season form and still was way too much for Bauru. The Starting line up was a mess but the bench was strong. Once the guys who started pick up their play, which they will, this team should be in pretty good shape. It's going to be interesting to see what the Rotation ends up being.
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10/8/2015  11:08 AM
fishmike wrote:
holfresh wrote:I agree for the most part..The problem is see with the team last night is the the group is slow footed, lacks reaction time in defensive rotation and lacks recovery when they are beaten...It's the reason O'Quinn lost his job in Orlando..We don't have athletes..Saraphin and O'Quinn look like they can be decent offensively but this team has to play defense to win games...We don't have the offense to outscore people, so it will have to be on the defensive end..I'm guessing that why Fisher started KP for his length...Playing Calderon and Sasha together in the back court against NBA players will be a non-starter...But I'm hoping AA makes a quick return...
that jumped out at me too... we have alot of size but its pretty slow. I thought Sasha looked pretty good thought. Calderon looked terrible, but Grant and Galloway looked very good

KP's defensive IQ is low. He was slow to react, and was caught looking away from his man. He's not quick enough to help on guard penetration, while running out to the 3pt line to guard his man, who was a good 3pt shooter. Or sometimes his man simply cut to the paint, without KP knowing. By then it was too late. But I'm not sure there is any big other than Lebron, who can guard both penetration and stretch 4's shooting a three.

But in the long term, Fisher needs to mix up the slow feet and quick feet players, whenever he puts 5 on the floor. For example, if we are playing a team like Brazil, who shot more 3's than 2's, why would you put a big lineup on the floor? Some would say, pound them inside and force them to play big and shoot less. But when they are shooting the same percentage from 3.....as we are from 2.....Its the classic battle between scoring 3's and scoring 2's......Who wins? Fisher just needs to watch his balance within the starting lineup and during the flow of the game.

The bigs that can play SF and PF will be key for us. They must have quick feet and latteral quickness......Also help on drives and get back to their man on 3 pt shots. Thats asking a lot, but thats the position of todays SF. Thats also our weakest position. But D.Will will be key for us, because he has the quick feet to guard outside and inside. KP is better at PF or Center, until he increases his defensive IQ. We just played a team full of stretch 4's......Thats not the normal NBA team......But thats GS style of play, so we have to be able to defend against that.

We have the flexibility, but how we use it will be key to our season!

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10/8/2015  11:21 AM
Our starting lineup defense and offense has been atrocious for years. The one constant - Carmelo Theodore Anthony. He hit all his shots yesterday and we still sucked. I'm he is off which he is 55% of the time. We get blown out right out of the gate whic oh has been the case to the past 2 seasons
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10/8/2015  11:23 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Our starting lineup defense and offense has been atrocious for years. The one constant - Carmelo Theodore Anthony. He hit all his shots yesterday and we still sucked. I'm he is off which he is 55% of the time. We get blown out right out of the gate whic oh has been the case to the past 2 seasons
really thought provoking stuff
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blkexec wrote:
fishmike wrote:
holfresh wrote:I agree for the most part..The problem is see with the team last night is the the group is slow footed, lacks reaction time in defensive rotation and lacks recovery when they are beaten...It's the reason O'Quinn lost his job in Orlando..We don't have athletes..Saraphin and O'Quinn look like they can be decent offensively but this team has to play defense to win games...We don't have the offense to outscore people, so it will have to be on the defensive end..I'm guessing that why Fisher started KP for his length...Playing Calderon and Sasha together in the back court against NBA players will be a non-starter...But I'm hoping AA makes a quick return...
that jumped out at me too... we have alot of size but its pretty slow. I thought Sasha looked pretty good thought. Calderon looked terrible, but Grant and Galloway looked very good

KP's defensive IQ is low. He was slow to react, and was caught looking away from his man. He's not quick enough to help on guard penetration, while running out to the 3pt line to guard his man, who was a good 3pt shooter. Or sometimes his man simply cut to the paint, without KP knowing. By then it was too late. But I'm not sure there is any big other than Lebron, who can guard both penetration and stretch 4's shooting a three.

But in the long term, Fisher needs to mix up the slow feet and quick feet players, whenever he puts 5 on the floor. For example, if we are playing a team like Brazil, who shot more 3's than 2's, why would you put a big lineup on the floor? Some would say, pound them inside and force them to play big and shoot less. But when they are shooting the same percentage from 3.....as we are from 2.....Its the classic battle between scoring 3's and scoring 2's......Who wins? Fisher just needs to watch his balance within the starting lineup and during the flow of the game.

The bigs that can play SF and PF will be key for us. They must have quick feet and latteral quickness......Also help on drives and get back to their man on 3 pt shots. Thats asking a lot, but thats the position of todays SF. Thats also our weakest position. But D.Will will be key for us, because he has the quick feet to guard outside and inside. KP is better at PF or Center, until he increases his defensive IQ. We just played a team full of stretch 4's......Thats not the normal NBA team......But thats GS style of play, so we have to be able to defend against that.

We have the flexibility, but how we use it will be key to our season!


IMO KP is gonna be OK once he's able to be more alert on D. I think he started off a bit rattled by the moment, but once he settled in a bit he got better and ended the game with a 0 +/- which isn't bad considering how he started. The Kid needs Reps.

As long as Fish avoids having Jose, Sasha and Melo on the floor together at the same time, I don't see this team having any serious issues defensively. That's the combo that will be a problem IMO.
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10/8/2015  11:31 AM
Guess what, teams use preseason so guys can get up to speed, and learn.
Calderon has made it thru 10 days of camp without issue and they might have told him to take it slow getting into playing shape. How can we judge?

Melo played his first game since February. He looked like his old self? That's good right? We won the game. That's good. Likely won on talent alone.

Teams can practice all they want and scrimmage but this was their first game together and for rookies first time in MSG as a knick!
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EnySpree wrote:I'm predicting Kyle O'Quinn will be names the starter with Melo and Rolo up front.

Jerian Grant will be the starter with Galloway being the backup. Calderón is officially old and should be a part of the coaching staff as the 3rd string point guard.

Kevin Seraphin is going to keep Rolo and O'Quinn minutes down. Kristaps looks to be the odd man out. He can shoot but he's not better than the other guys yet. He needs to keep getting better in practice.

Early is ready to be in the rotation, but so is Derrick Williams.... there's room for both if Fisher plays 10 guys, and he should.

Sasha Vujacic is going to be a great sub for us. It's unfortunate Afflalo is hurt, but I think Sasha is solid all around. Enough to be our starter until Afflalo can find his legs.

Disagree for the most part.

- think KP6 will continue to start and play better
- Calderon will continue to start
- Grant/Galloway will continue bring energy/athleticism off the bench (but Gallo / AA could flip flop roles with AA being our bench scorer)
- Serephin --- I'm intrigued by but it will come down to his defense and does he turn the ball over more than put it in the basket
- Early is ready for the street corner -- not an NBA roster --- I have 100% more faith in D-Will and that is a sad statement
- Sasha I think will have his moments because he is fearless --- his moments will be bad and good
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