2015-16 NBA season win totals, title odds
From Westgate Las Vegas SuperBook
Team	               Win total	Title odds
Atlanta Hawks	         49.5	          25-1
Boston Celtics	         42.5	         100-1
Brooklyn Nets	         28.5	         200-1
Charlotte Hornet         32.5	         300-1
Chicago Bulls	         49.5	          12-1
Cleveland Cavaliers	 56.5	           2-1
Dallas Mavericks	 38.5	         100-1
Denver Nuggets	         26.5	         200-1
Detroit Pistons	         33.5	         200-1
Golden State Warriors	 60.5	           9-2
Houston Rockets	         54.5	          20-1
Indiana Pacers	         42.5	          50-1
Los Angeles Clippers	 56.5	           8-1
Los Angeles Lakers	 29.5	         200-1
Memphis Grizzlies	 50.5	          30-1
Miami Heat	         45.5	          40-1
Milwaukee Bucks	         43.5	          60-1
Minnesota Timberwolves	 25.5	         300-1
New Orleans Pelicans	 47.5	          30-1
New York Knicks	         31.5	         200-1
Oklahoma City Thunder	 57.5	           6-1
Orlando Magic	         32.5	         300-1
Philadelphia 76ers	 21.5	         300-1
Phoenix Suns	         36.5	         100-1
Portland Trail Blazers	 26.5	         200-1
Sacramento Kings	 30.5	         300-1
San Antonio Spurs	 58.5	           4-1
Toronto Raptors	         45.5	          50-1
Utah Jazz	         40.5	         100-1
Washington Wizards	 45.5	          40-1

I have a hard time thinking of putting money either way on this number- at least until I see some actual game action and see how the team fits as a unit.

But gun to my head, I'd say to bet higher, simply because there are so many high character guys.

knickscity wrote:i would take the over on that. 30-31 is my low with a high of 35, injuries pending.

Its 15 wins improvement... tall goal.

CrushAlot wrote:

franco12 wrote:and for everyone with the knicks winning 34/35 games, that isn't a whole lot of margin over 31.5.

I think they win 42. 35 is the minimum and I would see it as a disappointment. When healthy and playing an entire season, Melo has never won less than 37 games. The talent on the team has been upgraded and this group of guys appear to have good chemistry. Can't wait to see them on the court together.

So if they win 30 games, it will be easy to blame it on Melo being not truly healthy.

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

franco12 wrote:and for everyone with the knicks winning 34/35 games, that isn't a whole lot of margin over 31.5.

I think they win 42. 35 is the minimum and I would see it as a disappointment. When healthy and playing an entire season, Melo has never won less than 37 games. The talent on the team has been upgraded and this group of guys appear to have good chemistry. Can't wait to see them on the court together.

So if they win 30 games, it will be easy to blame it on Melo being not truly healthy.

You really are something with the negative snide remarks! This is a better team than Vegas realizes. Not because of the individual talent but the improved mental disposition of the team. Better balance, skill, effort, defense and BB IQ. They aren't really taking that into account.

A healthy Melo with a solid supporting cast has mostly led to an above .500 season with only the last 2 years missing that mark. So IMO there's nothing about this team that would indicate this team won't reach those levels Melo's teams have always reached outside of total dysfunction and injuries as we had the last 2 years.

CrushAlot wrote:

franco12 wrote:and for everyone with the knicks winning 34/35 games, that isn't a whole lot of margin over 31.5.

I think they win 42. 35 is the minimum and I would see it as a disappointment. When healthy and playing an entire season, Melo has never won less than 37 games. The talent on the team has been upgraded and this group of guys appear to have good chemistry. Can't wait to see them on the court together.

Agreed.

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

franco12 wrote:and for everyone with the knicks winning 34/35 games, that isn't a whole lot of margin over 31.5.

I think they win 42. 35 is the minimum and I would see it as a disappointment. When healthy and playing an entire season, Melo has never won less than 37 games. The talent on the team has been upgraded and this group of guys appear to have good chemistry. Can't wait to see them on the court together.

So if they win 30 games, it will be easy to blame it on Melo being not truly healthy.

You really are something with the negative snide remarks! This is a better team than Vegas realizes. Not because of the individual talent but the improved mental disposition of the team. Better balance, skill, effort, defense and BB IQ. They aren't really taking that into account.

A healthy Melo with a solid supporting cast has mostly led to an above .500 season with only the last 2 years missing that mark. So IMO there's nothing about this team that would indicate this team won't reach those levels Melo's teams have always reached outside of total dysfunction and injuries as we had the last 2 years.

you are putting too much of a burden on melo when you refer to him vis a vis his "supporting cast." that said, in his best seasons melo is good for 8-10 win shares. hence if he is healthy and buys in the knicks could very well win 39 games. anything more than that is actually on the shoulders of the two rookies.

nixluva wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

franco12 wrote:and for everyone with the knicks winning 34/35 games, that isn't a whole lot of margin over 31.5.

I think they win 42. 35 is the minimum and I would see it as a disappointment. When healthy and playing an entire season, Melo has never won less than 37 games. The talent on the team has been upgraded and this group of guys appear to have good chemistry. Can't wait to see them on the court together.

So if they win 30 games, it will be easy to blame it on Melo being not truly healthy.

You really are something with the negative snide remarks! This is a better team than Vegas realizes. Not because of the individual talent but the improved mental disposition of the team. Better balance, skill, effort, defense and BB IQ. They aren't really taking that into account.

A healthy Melo with a solid supporting cast has mostly led to an above .500 season with only the last 2 years missing that mark. So IMO there's nothing about this team that would indicate this team won't reach those levels Melo's teams have always reached outside of total dysfunction and injuries as we had the last 2 years.

you are putting too much of a burden on melo when you refer to him vis a vis his "supporting cast." that said, in his best seasons melo is good for 8-10 win shares. hence if he is healthy and buys in the knicks could very well win 39 games. anything more than that is actually on the shoulders of the two rookies.

Why the rookies? We have vets who are ready to carry their share of the load. That's why this team is capable and of exceeding expectations IMO.

potential growth is steeper than veterans. if you calculate win shares of the vets the total number of wins is around 27-29, or 10-12 more wins than the players they have replaced. good melo adds 8-10 more wins, bad melo adds around 4 wins.

the best upside with the rookies not having an impact is 35-39 wins. anything above 39 wins would be due to the rookies being not only contributors but difference makers.