blkexec wrote:Everybody keep thinking it's the players. This is the agents making themselves known. They know how much the owners and the league is making off of these players. Thats why you pay your agent to make sure you get the most out of these tight ass owners. Basketball, football, whatever....doesn't last long. Get your money while you can. Because when it's over, the owners will kick them to the curb like old trash. And simply over pay the next young legs that walks in. It's a business.....Don't hate the player, hate the game!

The owners were supposed to pay guys what they were worth and use the extra cap to sign more talent. They instead used the extra money to over pay. Makes me so angry. Kills the quality of the league. Teams are not getting better.

simrud wrote:I think it has been posted before, but there is research out there that shows that NBA players (and pro athletes in general) are severely underpaid in the context of value add that they provide - even the max guys. I don't know how true it is but it something to consider when complaining about some guy getting 5 mil per year more than you think he is "worth".

its really fans that are getting ripped out by having to spend as much as they do for things like tickets, nba league pass and merchandise.

The NBA players should organize and start their own, player's owned league. I think they could do it - maybe find one deep pocketed backer or issue stock/debt to cover the costs as they transition.

What value do the owners really provide?

simrud wrote:I think it has been posted before, but there is research out there that shows that NBA players (and pro athletes in general) are severely underpaid in the context of value add that they provide - even the max guys. I don't know how true it is but it something to consider when complaining about some guy getting 5 mil per year more than you think he is "worth".

I agree that the players should get every dime of value that they put in. The reality that some players take much less--like a Tim Duncan is almost mind blowing.
Few points

Take 15 players and a cap of 110 mm. If you pay a Harrison Barnes --what 21mm and multiply that by 5 thats 105--and you have to pay 10 more guys who arent going to be happy making the league minimum. So you will have a league of haves and a lot of have nots--the divide will be insane--and these teams will STILL look to the fan to see how much more they can get out of their pockets. If the cap stayed at 70mm would Harrison Barnes even be offered 8mm per year? Maybe. GS run a very good team--they are being very fair with Harrison. If I were Harrison's agent I would say take it--lets make sure you have that money in the bank for you and your family--youre still 24 and you have another contract coming. Even if he gets hurt--hes all set. Id have him really be conservative with it--talk to successful past NBA players like Jamal Mashburn and Magic. 64mm $ can go a long way--Id like him to secure that money if I was his agent. I dont think Id fight to get 75 or whatever. 64 and 74 are the same thing in many ways. I want to make sure he is secure first. But why are these guys like Thompson and Barnes NOT doing this--youth and and not understanding what greed is.

BRIGGS wrote:

simrud wrote:I think it has been posted before, but there is research out there that shows that NBA players (and pro athletes in general) are severely underpaid in the context of value add that they provide - even the max guys. I don't know how true it is but it something to consider when complaining about some guy getting 5 mil per year more than you think he is "worth".

I agree that the players should get every dime of value that they put in. The reality that some players take much less--like a Tim Duncan is almost mind blowing.
Few points

Take 15 players and a cap of 110 mm. If you pay a Harrison Barnes --what 21mm and multiply that by 5 thats 105--and you have to pay 10 more guys who arent going to be happy making the league minimum. So you will have a league of haves and a lot of have nots--the divide will be insane--and these teams will STILL look to the fan to see how much more they can get out of their pockets. If the cap stayed at 70mm would Harrison Barnes even be offered 8mm per year? Maybe. GS run a very good team--they are being very fair with Harrison. If I were Harrison's agent I would say take it--lets make sure you have that money in the bank for you and your family--youre still 24 and you have another contract coming. Even if he gets hurt--hes all set. Id have him really be conservative with it--talk to successful past NBA players like Jamal Mashburn and Magic. 64mm $ can go a long way--Id like him to secure that money if I was his agent. I dont think Id fight to get 75 or whatever. 64 and 74 are the same thing in many ways. I want to make sure he is secure first. But why are these guys like Thompson and Barnes NOT doing this--youth and and not understanding what greed is.

Totally agree that not taking 64 because you want 75 is not a good move given injury risk involved and so on. But if he can get actually get 75 than he should go for his best figure possible. Personally I would push to the deadline and agree to 64 going into the season if I was him. Seems that is how football players do it often.

simrud wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

simrud wrote:I think it has been posted before, but there is research out there that shows that NBA players (and pro athletes in general) are severely underpaid in the context of value add that they provide - even the max guys. I don't know how true it is but it something to consider when complaining about some guy getting 5 mil per year more than you think he is "worth".

I agree that the players should get every dime of value that they put in. The reality that some players take much less--like a Tim Duncan is almost mind blowing.
Few points

Take 15 players and a cap of 110 mm. If you pay a Harrison Barnes --what 21mm and multiply that by 5 thats 105--and you have to pay 10 more guys who arent going to be happy making the league minimum. So you will have a league of haves and a lot of have nots--the divide will be insane--and these teams will STILL look to the fan to see how much more they can get out of their pockets. If the cap stayed at 70mm would Harrison Barnes even be offered 8mm per year? Maybe. GS run a very good team--they are being very fair with Harrison. If I were Harrison's agent I would say take it--lets make sure you have that money in the bank for you and your family--youre still 24 and you have another contract coming. Even if he gets hurt--hes all set. Id have him really be conservative with it--talk to successful past NBA players like Jamal Mashburn and Magic. 64mm $ can go a long way--Id like him to secure that money if I was his agent. I dont think Id fight to get 75 or whatever. 64 and 74 are the same thing in many ways. I want to make sure he is secure first. But why are these guys like Thompson and Barnes NOT doing this--youth and and not understanding what greed is.

Totally agree that not taking 64 because you want 75 is not a good move given injury risk involved and so on. But if he can get actually get 75 than he should go for his best figure possible. Personally I would push to the deadline and agree to 64 going into the season if I was him. Seems that is how football players do it often.

Man the season starts soon. He could have an ACL in pre season. Maybe you can walk them up to 66-67 but if not take the 64.

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