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9/8/2015  11:03 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/8/2015  11:05 PM
I think it's clear one of the big problems last year was Jose not being healthy. For this team to get off to a great start they're gonna need a healthy Jose at the start of the year. We need him to take some pressure off of Jerian early in the season. If Jose is able to play at near his normal levels it makes things a lot smoother for our younger players as well as the Starting Lineup at the start of the year. I'm hoping Jose plays well but that Jerian outplays him and takes the starting job. I don't wan't Jerian to get the job because Jose sucks but rather that Jerian is playing even better than Jose. On a side note Jose had good things to say about KP which is always nice.

Point guard Jose Calderon showed his dedication to the Knicks this summer, passing on playing for the Spanish national team in its ongoing Olympic qualifying games. Calderon wanted to rest his Achilles strain, bent on making up for a disappointing first year as a Knick.

The former Spanish Leaguer, who turns 34 on Sept. 28 — when the Knicks open training camp — returned to town Aug. 24 and worked out in five-on-five scrimmages at Carmelo Antony’s gym all last week.

“I feel,’’ Calderon said, “as if the Achilles is back to normal.’’

With the new faces team president Phil Jackson netted during free agency, Calderon said he believes the Knicks will be watchable again.

“I really like it,’’ Calderon told The Post. “Everyone was expecting a star, but we got good guys who know how to play. I knew the type of players we wanted.’’

The highlights of Jackson’s haul included defensive center Robin Lopez and shooting guard Arron Afflalo. The Knicks signed power forwards Derrick Williams and Kyle O’Quinn while drafting 7-foot-3 Kristaps Porzingis and potential starting backcourt mate Jerian Grant.

“A lot of bad things happened last year,’’ Calderon said. “We’ll win more than 17 games and we’ll try to win every game. I’m real excited we can do great things but talking about the playoffs, it’s too early. You don’t talk playoffs a few weeks before training camp.’’

Calderon admitted he tried to woo free agent Marc Gasol, a Spanish compadre, but knew it was a long shot. Gasol, Jackson’s pipe-dream top target, Gasol re-signed with the Grizzlies and turned down meetings with other teams.

“Not really surprised,’’ Calderon said. “I got the feeling he was staying. He’s playing really well with a really good team that’s ready to make the next step. We talked a lot. Nothing I can do. He knows Phil from [his brother] Pau [Gasol, from their time with the Lakers] but he made a good decision for himself and family.’’

While Calderon was shopped at the trade deadline, he got strong feelings he was returning after the season ended despite the possibility of the Knicks saving cap space by using the stretch provision on the final $15 million left on his pact. As recently as last month, speculation arose the Clippers could have interest in Calderon as they shop Jamal Crawford. At the time, Calderon even issued a tweet, suggesting the Clippers’ interest when a fan harassed him on Twitter that nobody would ever want him.

Calderon told The Post his response was “a joke.’’

“You never know in the NBA but I was pretty confident after the [exit] meetings, knowing the players they were looking for, the way we were going, they were counting on me coming back’’ Calderon said.

“I was never worried. It doesn’t mean I know for sure, but I was told I wasn’t involved in those trades and people I trust tell me that. And I talked to Derek [Fisher] during their free-agent meetings so they were keeping me always in the loop.’’

Calderon already has hit it off with Porzingis, the Latvian big man who played three seasons in the Spanish League. And they converse in Calderon’s native tongue.

“His Spanish is perfect,’’ Calderon said. “He’s like a Spanish guy. He’s been in Spain for a while. He speaks like he’s from there.’’
Porzingis could find it easier here, Calderon said.

“With the rules in the NBA, he could be better,’’ Calderon said. “Over there, it’s a lot more grabbing by the veterans so it’s more difficult for a player like him. He’s very talented and likes to work.’’

Hurt late in training camp, Calderon missed the first 13 games with a calf strain last season and never mastered the triangle. The heady floor general averaged 9.1 points and 4.7 assists. He missed 40 games, his season ending in Boston Feb. 25.

“I never could get 100 percent the way the season is,’’ Calderon said. “It was a very tough season for me and I couldn’t play the way I wanted to. I needed time with the Achilles. I was thinking about myself. I want to play here a few more years.’’

The Knicks announced the first week of training camp will again be staged at West Point. Media Day is Sept. 28 with practices Sept. 29-Oct. 3.


http://nypost.com/2015/09/08/a-healthy-jose-calderon-forecasts-knicks-2015-16-season/
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9/8/2015  11:09 PM
I dont have much faith in jose. Never been a fan plus he is older and coming off injuries. I think phil knows it was a terrible move. Im more excited in jerian grant.
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9/8/2015  11:57 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:I dont have much faith in jose. Never been a fan plus he is older and coming off injuries. I think phil knows it was a terrible move. Im more excited in jerian grant.

Oh I'm very excited about Jerian. Not so sure that anyone should be excited by Jose and i'm not suggesting that. What I was trying to point out is that early in the year we could really use Jose to be playing well and helping Jerian's transitions as well as playing well during his time on the floor. When healthy Jose is a very solid PG. Even at this age his game can be useful. We need him to be healthy. This way Jerian doesn't have to carry too much of a load like Larkin did last year. We had to play Larkin WAY too much early in the year and there wasn't much behind him. This year if Jose is playing well and we also get Jerian acclimated to the NBA it could really have a positive impact on this team's success.

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9/9/2015  9:35 AM
StarksEwing1 wrote:I dont have much faith in jose. Never been a fan plus he is older and coming off injuries. I think phil knows it was a terrible move. Im more excited in jerian grant.

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9/9/2015  11:22 AM
StarksEwing1 wrote:I dont have much faith in jose. Never been a fan plus he is older and coming off injuries. I think phil knows it was a terrible move. Im more excited in jerian grant.

"I think PHil knows it was a terrible move"......

How you come to that?

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9/9/2015  11:23 AM    LAST EDITED: 9/9/2015  11:24 AM
Larkin was our starting point guard to start the season.... that's just a testament to how bad last year was.

I'm really hoping that achilles injury was the cause of Jose Calderón falling off so bad. I always respected what he brought through his career. He actually played really well for Detroit for half a season. He's not a herky jerky kinds of guard. He plays focused, and fundemental basketball. Here's hoping it was health and not age.

I also don't want Jerian starting just because. Natural progression must take place

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9/9/2015  11:28 AM
EnySpree wrote:Larkin was our starting point guard to start the season.... that's just a testament to how bad last year was.

I'm really hoping that achilles injury was the cause of Jose Calderón falling off so bad. I always respected what he brought through his career. He actually played really well for Detroit for half a season. He's not a herky jerky kinds of guard. He plays focused, and fundemental basketball. Here's hoping it was health and not age.

I also don't want Jerian starting just because. Natural progression must take place

Calf injury preseason lead to the Achilles. at 34 he has the type of body that can sustain (see roger Federer) but father time catches up to us all. Pablo did great into his late 30's so lets not jump the gun that all euro's fall young. Best scenario is he plays well but Jerian replaces him in the starting line up.

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9/9/2015  12:01 PM
I think Calderon can be effective next year. But I'm very glad we have Galloway and Jerian Grant to spread the minutes. No one guard should be carrying a heavy load next season, except maybe Afflalo.

I see minutes looking something like:

2 guard spots total - 96minutes

Afflalo - 32min ( with maybe 8min per game at SF in smaller lineups)
Calderon - 24min
Galloway - 24min
Grant - 24min

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9/9/2015  2:04 PM
Well he got hurt in training camp, so being healthy now is really nothing at all, considering he was healthy at this same point last yr.

If your not talking playoffs, and your 30 yrs old, that's a problem, in fact that's a overall problem, from a leadership standpoint.


Grant
affalo
melo
Quin
lopez

calderon
galloway
early
dwill
kp/kevin

lance
admunson
thansis

I already see fishers is going to be fumbling with the rotation, and thats going to kill us. I honestly am having trouble just figuring out a 10 man rotation. I think early is going to have to play lights out in preseason to solidify a spot.

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9/9/2015  2:09 PM
Hes the worst NBA defender in the league healthy or not. Can he use veteran savvy a chip on his shoulder and three point shooting to help steady the team---maybe. But I think like Dallas found out what he can give on offense is given back on D and worse. Hed be ok as a 2nd PG but as a starter against most NBA PG you are going to be in the red +- at that position.
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9/9/2015  3:06 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/9/2015  3:16 PM
crzymdups wrote:I think Calderon can be effective next year. But I'm very glad we have Galloway and Jerian Grant to spread the minutes. No one guard should be carrying a heavy load next season, except maybe Afflalo.

I see minutes looking something like:

2 guard spots total - 96minutes

Afflalo - 32min ( with maybe 8min per game at SF in smaller lineups)
Calderon - 24min
Galloway - 24min
Grant - 24min

Maybe we throw TA's name in the hat as well but yeah, those seem to be the 4 guards we'll be featuring as of right now. This dude Saunders doesn't excite me at all just going by video I've seen. If anything, he may be signed and stashed in the DL if I had to guess although from the look of it, I think we could've done better there.. I like the Afflalo signing and I like the Grant trade but Calderon and Galloway as the other two main rotation guards concerns me big time.

I hope we still have a willingness to add another guard with some ability. Rumors that were linking us to Jamal Crawford tell me we still might...A legit combo guard with some talent that can be plugged in at either spot is what we're really lacking. I would've said another legit PG and a 2 but we don't have the roster room. A good combo would suffice. I wouldn't be against trading Early to get that type of player.

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9/9/2015  9:37 PM
Since he is still on the roster, I wish him much success
Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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9/9/2015  10:15 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:Since he is still on the roster, I wish him much success
obviously i root for his success. But if you put a gun to my head and ask me if he has a bounce back year i still would say no. I hope he proves me wrong. However i think jerian grant will be the man sooner rather than later
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9/9/2015  10:34 PM
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Knicks1969 wrote:Since he is still on the roster, I wish him much success
obviously i root for his success. But if you put a gun to my head and ask me if he has a bounce back year i still would say no. I hope he proves me wrong. However i think jerian grant will be the man sooner rather than later

why?

Calderon doesn't rely on athleticism. I guess the only argument I can see is decline because of age, turning 34 in Sept. Jose misses games every year but not a ton outside of last year and '11-12, been pretty consistent across his career and I think this is the first summer he is NOT playing in Euro qualifying or something.

Jose will never be a defender but I hope he can provide leadership, shooting and teach Grant and Galloway a ton about being a PG.

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9/9/2015  10:34 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:Since he is still on the roster, I wish him much success
obviously i root for his success. But if you put a gun to my head and ask me if he has a bounce back year i still would say no. I hope he proves me wrong. However i think jerian grant will be the man sooner rather than later

Jose is the kind of player that you know what he's gonna be. He was hampered by injury and it really is that simple cuz aside from the injury he would most likely have played the way we expected. His game isn't predicated on his athletic prowess. There's really nothing but skill and savvy BB. He's not any slower cuz he was never fast. He plays at the appropriate speed and makes solid decisions. When he was relatively healthy last year you could see his game come thru. Guys like him usually last forever cuz they play with their brain more than their body.

Just for reference look at last year versus his career numbers. If he can come up just a little closer to his career production, he should be a solid player this year. We're talking about just a few more made shots, which isn't hard to believe he can do if healthy.


Season Age Tm Lg Pos G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% eFG% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2014-15 33 NYK NBA PG 42 42 30.2 3.5 8.4 .415 1.4 3.4 .415 2.1 5.0 .415 .499 0.7 0.8 .906 0.5 2.5 3.0 4.7 0.7 0.0 1.8 1.8 9.1
Career NBA 676 474 28.9 3.9 8.2 .475 1.1 2.7 .412 2.8 5.5 .507 .544 1.2 1.4 .875 0.4 2.2 2.5 6.7 0.9 0.1 1.7 1.7 10.2
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9/9/2015  10:49 PM
Its not like i want jose to fail. I was just giving my honest opinion. Also i admit im a massive jerian grant fan. He was probably in the top 5 of my favorite draft prospects. So im hoping he starts right away
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9/9/2015  10:56 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:Its not like i want jose to fail. I was just giving my honest opinion. Also i admit im a massive jerian grant fan. He was probably in the top 5 of my favorite draft prospects. So im hoping he starts right away

WE ALL hope Jerian wins the starting job. If he can't do that right away it will help a lot for Jose to be healthy and playing as he usually does.
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9/9/2015  10:57 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:Its not like i want jose to fail. I was just giving my honest opinion. Also i admit im a massive jerian grant fan. He was probably in the top 5 of my favorite draft prospects. So im hoping he starts right away

If Fisher is smart, he will start Grant from the jump. Bring Slowse off the bench to play along side of Galloway as the SG

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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9/9/2015  10:59 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Its not like i want jose to fail. I was just giving my honest opinion. Also i admit im a massive jerian grant fan. He was probably in the top 5 of my favorite draft prospects. So im hoping he starts right away

If Fisher is smart, he will start Grant from the jump. Bring Slowse off the bench to play along side of Galloway as the SG

agreed.
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9/9/2015  11:18 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Its not like i want jose to fail. I was just giving my honest opinion. Also i admit im a massive jerian grant fan. He was probably in the top 5 of my favorite draft prospects. So im hoping he starts right away

If Fisher is smart, he will start Grant from the jump. Bring Slowse off the bench to play along side of Galloway as the SG

agreed.

Just remember that Jose has avg'd 8 assists per in his career and is a very accurate PG. He's always going to be a shooter in the offense because he's a career great shooter!!! Jose has also been a very reliable PG. In Dallas he was not asked to handle the ball as much as in the past, which is similar to how he'll be used in NY, but he was still very careful with the ball.

2013-14 Assists Per Turnover Leaders - Qualified
RK PLAYER TEAM GP MPG AST APG TO TOPG AP48M AST/TO
1 Chris Paul, PG LAC 62 35.0 663 10.7 145 2.3 14.7 4.57
2 Pablo Prigioni, PG NY 66 19.4 228 3.5 60 0.9 8.5 3.80
3 Jose Calderon, PG DAL 81 30.5 377 4.7 103 1.3 7.3 3.66
4 Kendall Marshall, PG LAL 54 29.0 477 8.8 150 2.8 14.6 3.18
5 Ricky Rubio, PG MIN 82 32.2 703 8.6 222 2.7 12.8 3.17
6 Shelvin Mack, PG ATL 73 20.4 271 3.7 89 1.2 8.7 3.04
7 Trey Burke, PG UTAH 70 32.3 396 5.7 131 1.9 8.4 3.02
8 Kyle Lowry, PG TOR 79 36.2 586 7.4 194 2.5 9.8 3.02
9 Steve Blake, PG GS/LAL 55 27.2 307 5.6 102 1.9 9.8 3.01
10 Rajon Rondo, PG BOS 30 33.3 294 9.8 99 3.3 14.1 2.97

Jose doesn't have to start unless Jerian just isn't ready. They may bring Jerian along gradually just as a precaution. We all know Jerian is the future but having Jose helps make the transition easier if Jerian isn't ready.

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