Maybe some fans don't like it as we never heard a peep but fans seem to enjoy the honesty and he is not really being that brutal at all. Lets put it this way, he is not sugar coating.

knicks1248 wrote:Now when you said you would have pass on robin and affalo,

1)who you have replace them with

2)how would you have got them here

I wouldve signed Cory Joseph for much less than I thought he was going to get instead of Lopez and wouldve signed Scvhyed for the 3mm instead of the 8mm and drafted Powell for the SG. Kyle Oquinn Kristpas Aldrich and Seraphin are more than fine to replace Lopez. I could also easily move Andersen to starting SG.

C-Kristaps Porzingis

PF Kyle Oquinn

SF Carmelo Anthony

SG Justin Andersen

PG Cory Joseph

Unit #2

C Cole Aldrich

PF Derrick Williams

G Norman Powell

G Langston Galloway

G Alexy Shveyd

Unit #3

C Seraphin

F Ndour

F Thomas

G Early

G James

BRIGGS wrote:Hes taken the approach to tell us why he does what he does and in fairness--the PJ Knicks seem to be much more professionally run and have a certain direction about the team. Would it surprise me if some of these players he just signed/drafted etc.. go from the penthouse to the Charlie Rosen outhouse articles? No.

Here's my own personal take.

I really like the draft pick at #4 KP. I think it was a ballsy yet prescient pick and all of those idiots at the draft who booed + Stephen Smith will eat their words.
I really like that weve been aggressive in the draft. There were some posters(one in particular) who said NO WAy can the Knicks get a second 1st round pick---nor could we get a high 2 and we did. We were also aggressive in the previous year as well as looking at UDFA and I agree with these actions 100%. Where I dont agree with is the players picked. Not that they are bad players but my preference would have been to pick BOTh Justin Andersen and Norman Powell because it wouldve given us the athletic perimeter player base we desperately need ESPECIALLY to play aggressive defense. I mean with Kristaps Andersen and Powell we wouldve changed our defense for the next 10 years. Each of those players also have the diversity of offensive skill sets needed in the NBA AND that we just do not have. I think Andersen couldve started 3 and Powell couldve been our 7-8th guy. I like adding Atkins to Westchester but instead of Saunders I wouldve swiped Mike James with a target of bringing him to the Knicks as our 3rd PG. I really loved his defense--I think that can carry over and I loved his energy. Thats what I think a 3rd PG is all about--a guy who can come in and play great D and make some plays to change tempo. It wouldve also increased our perimeter based defensive theme

Free agents

Loved the Kyle Oquinn signing. I love the years and numbers. I think he can play 4-5 and with extra time I think hes near a double double and a good passer with good D.

I wouldve passed on Robin Lopez(way too much money) Afflalo(just not my direction) and while I like Derrick Williams as a back up 4-3 I wouldve structured it so I gave him more money this year and less guaranteed next year. With the money that Cory Joseph finally landed on--I would ve out bid Toronto by 1mm per year 4 years 34mm

I like the Seraphin signing but I wouldve signed him for 3 years not 1 and wouldve kept Aldrich by offering 500k more than LAC did for the 2 years. Also wouldve offered Shved a 3 year 9mm $ contract(a transition signing he is more pegged as a back up) and released and stretched Calderon's contract--just dont want him here. I wouldve kept Lance Thomas and outbid Dallas for Ndor and let Lou Admundson walk.

Lastly I would move Melo back to 4 and my main goal with this is to either win now or build him up to trade now with a target of Markieff Morris Devin Booker and PJ Tucker

Line up

C Kyle Oquinn Kristaps Porzingis Cole Aldrich (Seraphin)

PF Carmelo Anthony Derrick Williams Kevin Seraphin(Porzingis)

SF Justin Andersen Lance Thomas Ndor

SG Alexy Shveyd Norman Powell Cleanthony Early

PG Cory Joseph Langston Galloway Mike James

We'd have much more money next year

i pretty much agree (except that i still wouldve signed affalo at SG). but overall its fine, its an improved and competitive team designed to win 35 wins. i dont expect much more until we actually get stars.

BRIGGS wrote:Couldve also put Andersen at starting SG and Kristaps into starting line up

C-Kristaps Porzingis

PF Kyle Oquinn

SF Carmelo Anthony

SG Justin Andersen

PG Cory Joseph

Unit #2

C Cole Aldrich

PF Derrick Williams

G Norman Powell

G Langston Galloway

G Alexy Shveyd

Unit #3

C Seraphin

F Ndour

F Thomas

G Early

G James

this line has little to no chance of competing every single night, your starting line ups are back ups on the most avg team (except melo) and your back ups are no better than your starters.

while i get your point as far as cap saving moves, keep in mind that this is also a business, and in business you have to spend money to make money. You keep going the cheap route it's going to take you longer to get to you destination.

The knicks just experience the "blow off" from every star FA because we don't look appealing, they couldn't even keep their own FA on a discount (yet they want melo to take a discount)

BRIGGS wrote:There were some posters(one in particular) who said NO WAy can the Knicks get a second 1st round pick....

http://hoopshabit.com/2015/06/26/atlanta-hawks-draft-grades-analysis/

After a 60-win season that was derailed by a depth issue, the Atlanta Hawks draft was their chance to fix what may be called the team’s last major flaw. The Hawks had the 15th pick, something they essentially stole from the Nets in the Joe Johnson trade. With a lot of rotational talent still remaining, the Hawks had a chance to draft a guy in an area of need.

Instead, the Hawks decided to make it complicated. They traded the 15th pick to the Wizards, who selected Kelly Oubre. The Wizards gave Atlanta the 19th pick and two second rounders. Oubre is a solid defensive player on the wing who needs to improve on offense to become a full NBA talent. He had a bit of value to the Hawks, but with DeMarre Carroll and Thabo Sefolosha, the Hawks have enough wing defenders........The Hawks draft results have drawn a great deal of backlash from media members and analysts. USA Today graded the Hawks draft an F. Sam Vecenie of CBS Sports spelled out probably the most sensible case for the Hawks botching this draft:

“The Wizards then selected Kelly Oubre, a player that could have acted as a pretty nice long-term replacement for DeMarre Carroll in a few years. Then, instead of insuring themselves against the potential of Paul Millsap leaving by taking the No. 11 player on my board in Bobby Portis, they traded out of the first round altogether for Tim Hardaway Jr., a guy that shot 39 percent last season and really struggled to defend.”

The argument that the Hawks should have used this draft to cover the risk of one of their departing free agents is fair. Hardaway in no way lessens the risk of Carroll or Millsap walking. If Carroll or Millsap does leave, this draft decision will be looked at very unfavorably.

The counter argument is that if the Hawks had drafted a guy as free agent insurance but hadn’t lost any free agents, they wasted a pick and didn’t get any assets out of it. Hardaway at least will play a role regardless of how the rest of the roster shakes up.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25225549/nba-draft-grades-wolves-heat-excel-hawks-not-so-much

2015 NBA Draft Grades: Wolves, Heat, Lakers excel, Hawks not so much
By Sam Vecenie | Staff Writer
June 26, 2015 11:35 AM ET

The 2015 NBA Draft has come and gone, and we've had some time to process and evaluate what we saw unfold. Now it's time for final team grades. No sense in waiting any longer!

Atlanta Hawks

Selections: Marcus Eriksson (No. 50), Dimitrios Agravanis (No. 59)

Acquired Players: Tim Hardaway Jr., two future second-round picks

The Hawks had one of my least favorite drafts of the night. They started the night with the No. 15 pick, and ended up moving down to No. 19 for the price of two future second-round picks. The Wizards then selected Kelly Oubre, a player that could have acted as a pretty nice long-term replacement for DeMarre Carroll in a few years. Then, instead of insuring themselves against the potential of Paul Millsap leaving by taking the No. 11 player on my board in Bobby Portis, they traded out of the first round altogether for Tim Hardaway Jr., a guy that shot 39 percent last season and really struggled to defend. He fills a depth need on the wing, but I'm not convinced he and two second rounders are worth giving up for Oubre, Portis, or any other higher variance pick at all. In fact, that one didn't make sense to me in the slightest. Their second round picks were both stashes. Eriksson is a smooth shooter that missed a majority of the season with a torn ACL. Agravanis is a potential stretch-4 at 6-10 out of Olympiakos. Overall, it just seems like an awfully squandered opportunity out of the pick swap from the Joe Johnson trade.

Draft Grade: C-

https://storify.com/ajc/social-media-reacts-to-the-atlanta-hawks-draft

Jeremy Schneider
@J_Schneider

Haha the Hawks turned the 15th pick into Tim Hardaway and a couple of second rounders. That’s an Isiah Thomas trade right there
7:22 PM - 25 Jun 2015

Sean Breslin
@Sean_Breslin

The Hawks traded for Tim Hardaway Jr.? Was Philips Arena short on ticket scanners or something?
7:01 PM - 25 Jun 2015

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/draft/2015/06/26/nba-draft-grades-heat-nuggets-timberwolves-lakers/29308641/

29. Atlanta Hawks: If the Hawks weren't trying to save money, their trade of the No. 15 pick for Tim Hardaway Jr. would be one dumb move. Well, it's still dumb. Then they drafted two unknown foreign players — Spain's Marcus Eriksson (No. 50) and Greece's Dimitrios Agravanis (No. 59). Grade: F.

*****

The Hawks and Knicks trade has been generally universally panned by sports analysts since the NBA Draft.

Thanks for taking CONTEXT right out of the entire situation.

I said, and have for a long time now, no practical trade will tend to happen unless

- It offers a perception of a Win/Win for both sides
- The non Knicks franchise is able to defend the trade in the sports media, to the fan base, to season ticket holders, to the ownership and to it's players on the roster
- The non Knicks franchise must operate with a basic sense of self preservation
- The trade meets the "mirror test" i.e. if the rosters and situations were reversed, the Knicks fanbase wouldn't revolt under making such a trade.

The Hardaway trade in no way shape or form passes most of these tests. If the Knicks had the 15th pick and Atlanta's roster and situation and traded back to 19 for a couple of 2nds and then traded Jerian Grant for Tim Hardaway Jr, most of you ( who the hell am I kidding, all of you) would be up in arms. ALL OF YOU WOULD SAY THE KNICKS GOT MOTHER FUCKING HOSED IN THAT TRADE.

This was not a Win/Win deal, this was Win/Lose deal. The Knicks WON this trade outright. But this is not how most trades operate. These kind of trades are the exception, not the rule, and cannot be relied upon as a practical trade scenario.

Briggs, almost all year, your methodology was to send out basically junk off the Knicks roster, take every valuable thing off the non Knicks roster and call it fair. Or split the 4th pick into 5-6 different assets in trade scenarios that actually showed no practical value for the non Knicks team.

If you were a GM of an actual NBA team, other teams would simply stop picking up the phone to answer your calls.

GOOD TEAMS don't rely on other team's ineptitude as the standard for getting better. If another team is willing to hose itself, then sure, take it, but you cannot rely on it. You cannot use it as justification that every other firebomb the non Knicks team trade scenario is somehow valid.

17. Robin Lopez, Portland Trail Blazers

Scoring 12/20
Robin Lopez, much like so many other defense-first centers, is a limited scorer who prefers to take and make only the easy shots around the basket. But unlike other players who fit that type of profile, he can actually knock down shots from the charity stripe, which helps boost his already impressive levels of efficiency and makes his overall scoring work look even stronger.

Non-Scoring Offense 7/15
Although Lopez doesn't space out the floor much, he's not a total liability on offense for the same reason as many others: He can set screens, finish plays as a roll man and position himself well for offensive rebounds. He's also a decent passer, though he'll never be called anything more than that adjective.

Defense 35/40
If you ask him to work against someone on the blocks or stray outside the paint, he'll be good, not great. But if he's permitted to hover around the basket and do his best to keep the opposition from making close shots, he'll thrive. It's as simple as that.

Rebounding 12/15
Not many players end up recording more contested boards than uncontested ones, but that's Lopez for you. He's never afraid of contact, and he seems to seek it out on some plays, eagerly awaiting an opportunity to put someone on his back and ensure that it's even easier to grab a rebound.

Intangibles 8/10
Only one injury knocked this typically durable Lopez twin out of the Portland Trail Blazers lineup, but it was a substantial one. A broken right hand suffered in December kept him in street clothes until February, preventing him from recording a third straight season with 82 games played.

Overall 74/100
Lopez is a bit more talented than your typical defense-first center. He's still quite good at rebounding, but he can also provide some steady offensive production, contributing in small spurts but never sacrificing his efficiency. It's not something that often gets discussed unless the opposite is true, but a point-preventing big man who can stay on the court at the end of the game without becoming a free-throw liability is quite valuable.

knicks1248 wrote:I think guys like BRIGGS want to build through the draft and think they will compete for a championship in 3 yrs, in the process save money and attract veteran star FA with a young in experience roster, convince them to take less money to join the knicks.

I would like to see the young core that won a championship in 3, 4, 5 yrs

Until Kristaps is starting c with his body and game filled out we are not winning anything. We especially have no chance putting so much stock into Calderon and Lopez.if the goal is to win 35-42 games were there. But the upside is not its tapped Anthony will not get younger and we will need secondary and or multiple retools