Fact or fiction - Carmelo is the best player in the Atlantic division. i say fact. something to keep in mind when you read the Knicks 25-win projections.

BigSm00th wrote:1. New York - Carmelo
2. Toronto - Demarre Carroll
3. Brooklyn - Joe Johnson
4. Boston - Jae Crowder
5. Philly - whoever they start at SF

Fact or fiction - Carmelo is the best player in the Atlantic division. i say fact. something to keep in mind when you read the Knicks 25-win projections.

he is much closer to a zero-sum player when you consider he is an abomination on defense.

dk7th wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:1. New York - Carmelo
2. Toronto - Demarre Carroll
3. Brooklyn - Joe Johnson
4. Boston - Jae Crowder
5. Philly - whoever they start at SF

Fact or fiction - Carmelo is the best player in the Atlantic division. i say fact. something to keep in mind when you read the Knicks 25-win projections.

he is much closer to a zero-sum player when you consider he is an abomination on defense.

Calling Melo an "abomination" on defense is not reasonable or fair. He is often a lazy defender, and frequently disappoints, especially given that you see him play active and capable defense on occasion. He has the skill but doesn't bring it with any consistency.

David Lee and Tim Hardaway jr could fairly be characterized as "abominations". Clueless, incapable and unmotivated on the defensive end.

nychamp wrote:

dk7th wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:1. New York - Carmelo
2. Toronto - Demarre Carroll
3. Brooklyn - Joe Johnson
4. Boston - Jae Crowder
5. Philly - whoever they start at SF

Fact or fiction - Carmelo is the best player in the Atlantic division. i say fact. something to keep in mind when you read the Knicks 25-win projections.

he is much closer to a zero-sum player when you consider he is an abomination on defense.

Calling Melo an "abomination" on defense is not reasonable or fair. He is often a lazy defender, and frequently disappoints, especially given that you see him play active and capable defense on occasion. He has the skill but doesn't bring it with any consistency.

David Lee and Tim Hardaway jr could fairly be characterized as "abominations". Clueless, incapable and unmotivated on the defensive end.

he defensive footwork is awful-- he plays defense with his arms and hands, and he has terrible court awareness, ie clueless. he is never in a crouching position and as a result his center of gravity is too high, making him off balance and therefore he often gets beat. i think that pretty much covers his technique, and we don't need to address his lack of conditioning, which worsens as the season progresses, or his lack of heart.

when was the last time he made a clutch defensive play?

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nychamp wrote:

dk7th wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:1. New York - Carmelo
2. Toronto - Demarre Carroll
3. Brooklyn - Joe Johnson
4. Boston - Jae Crowder
5. Philly - whoever they start at SF

Fact or fiction - Carmelo is the best player in the Atlantic division. i say fact. something to keep in mind when you read the Knicks 25-win projections.

he is much closer to a zero-sum player when you consider he is an abomination on defense.

Calling Melo an "abomination" on defense is not reasonable or fair. He is often a lazy defender, and frequently disappoints, especially given that you see him play active and capable defense on occasion. He has the skill but doesn't bring it with any consistency.

David Lee and Tim Hardaway jr could fairly be characterized as "abominations". Clueless, incapable and unmotivated on the defensive end.

he defensive footwork is awful-- he plays defense with his arms and hands, and he has terrible court awareness, ie clueless. he is never in a crouching position and as a result his center of gravity is too high, making him off balance and therefore he often gets beat. i think that pretty much covers his technique, and we don't need to address his lack of conditioning, which worsens as the season progresses, or his lack of heart.

when was the last time he made a clutch defensive play?

He has won player of the month in April twice as a knick. How can that happen if his conditioning worsens during the season?

lets see how much you really know by addressing the points i made instead of changing the focus to awards and whatnot. any other type of response just cements the impression of all hat no cattle.

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nychamp wrote:

dk7th wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:1. New York - Carmelo
2. Toronto - Demarre Carroll
3. Brooklyn - Joe Johnson
4. Boston - Jae Crowder
5. Philly - whoever they start at SF

Fact or fiction - Carmelo is the best player in the Atlantic division. i say fact. something to keep in mind when you read the Knicks 25-win projections.

he is much closer to a zero-sum player when you consider he is an abomination on defense.

Calling Melo an "abomination" on defense is not reasonable or fair. He is often a lazy defender, and frequently disappoints, especially given that you see him play active and capable defense on occasion. He has the skill but doesn't bring it with any consistency.

David Lee and Tim Hardaway jr could fairly be characterized as "abominations". Clueless, incapable and unmotivated on the defensive end.

he defensive footwork is awful-- he plays defense with his arms and hands, and he has terrible court awareness, ie clueless. he is never in a crouching position and as a result his center of gravity is too high, making him off balance and therefore he often gets beat. i think that pretty much covers his technique, and we don't need to address his lack of conditioning, which worsens as the season progresses, or his lack of heart.

when was the last time he made a clutch defensive play?

He has won player of the month in April twice as a knick. How can that happen if his conditioning worsens during the season?

lets see how much you really know by addressing the points i made instead of changing the focus to awards and whatnot. any other type of response just cements the impression of all hat no cattle.

Screw that. How can you explain a guy stepping up in April to get his team into the playoffs or to get them a better seeding when all of his teammates are hurt and he wins player of the month. You post the same stuff all the time. How does a guy up his play in April if his conditioning declines as the season goes on as you claim. Back up your claim.

translation: "i don't own any cattle but please look at my hat."

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nychamp wrote:

dk7th wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:1. New York - Carmelo
2. Toronto - Demarre Carroll
3. Brooklyn - Joe Johnson
4. Boston - Jae Crowder
5. Philly - whoever they start at SF

Fact or fiction - Carmelo is the best player in the Atlantic division. i say fact. something to keep in mind when you read the Knicks 25-win projections.

he is much closer to a zero-sum player when you consider he is an abomination on defense.

Calling Melo an "abomination" on defense is not reasonable or fair. He is often a lazy defender, and frequently disappoints, especially given that you see him play active and capable defense on occasion. He has the skill but doesn't bring it with any consistency.

David Lee and Tim Hardaway jr could fairly be characterized as "abominations". Clueless, incapable and unmotivated on the defensive end.

he defensive footwork is awful-- he plays defense with his arms and hands, and he has terrible court awareness, ie clueless. he is never in a crouching position and as a result his center of gravity is too high, making him off balance and therefore he often gets beat. i think that pretty much covers his technique, and we don't need to address his lack of conditioning, which worsens as the season progresses, or his lack of heart.

when was the last time he made a clutch defensive play?

He has won player of the month in April twice as a knick. How can that happen if his conditioning worsens during the season?

lets see how much you really know by addressing the points i made instead of changing the focus to awards and whatnot. any other type of response just cements the impression of all hat no cattle.

Screw that. How can you explain a guy stepping up in April to get his team into the playoffs or to get them a better seeding when all of his teammates are hurt and he wins player of the month. You post the same stuff all the time. How does a guy up his play in April if his conditioning declines as the season goes on as you claim. Back up your claim.

translation: "i don't own any cattle but please look at my hat."

So we agree that Anthony's conditioning doesn't decline as the season goes on and that he out performed his peers in the final month of an 82 game season two consecutive years. If you disagree please provide the evidence to back your claim.

i believe the ball remains in your court. here's the breakdown thus far:

1)i made assertions about his terrible defensive technique and i concluded, clearly as an afterthought, that we don't need to address his lack of conditioning as this is not the crux of my point
2)you ask, nonetheless, how can he lack conditioning if he is winning player of the month-- which, again, is clearly not the crux of my point... but you knew that didn't you... unless you are that stupid
3)i again ask you to address my assertions about his defense and then
4)you say back up your claim about his lack of conditioning, trying to reverse the order of things... if you're not that stupid then maybe you are just a bitch playing games again for the umpteenth time. hilarious

if you are serious about having a dialogue then these tactics of yours have got to go.

dk7th wrote:

nychamp wrote:

dk7th wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:1. New York - Carmelo
2. Toronto - Demarre Carroll
3. Brooklyn - Joe Johnson
4. Boston - Jae Crowder
5. Philly - whoever they start at SF

Fact or fiction - Carmelo is the best player in the Atlantic division. i say fact. something to keep in mind when you read the Knicks 25-win projections.

he is much closer to a zero-sum player when you consider he is an abomination on defense.

Calling Melo an "abomination" on defense is not reasonable or fair. He is often a lazy defender, and frequently disappoints, especially given that you see him play active and capable defense on occasion. He has the skill but doesn't bring it with any consistency.

David Lee and Tim Hardaway jr could fairly be characterized as "abominations". Clueless, incapable and unmotivated on the defensive end.

he defensive footwork is awful-- he plays defense with his arms and hands, and he has terrible court awareness, ie clueless. he is never in a crouching position and as a result his center of gravity is too high, making him off balance and therefore he often gets beat. i think that pretty much covers his technique, and we don't need to address his lack of conditioning, which worsens as the season progresses, or his lack of heart.

when was the last time he made a clutch defensive play?

holfresh wrote:Melo was NBA player of the month, November of 2009, April 2012, April,2013, January 2014..Logged the most minutes in the NBA one of those years..I don't care to look...How is a player out of shape and manages to win player of the month at different intervals of the year and more importantly, at the end of the year, April, twice???...Playing at your best ability and above other NBA players requires being in tip top shape..This is why dk7 can't be taken seriously...

ChuckBuck wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:1. New York - Carmelo
2. Toronto - Demarre Carroll
3. Brooklyn - Joe Johnson
4. Boston - Jae Crowder
5. Philly - whoever they start at SF

Fact or fiction - Carmelo is the best player in the Atlantic division. i say fact. something to keep in mind when you read the Knicks 25-win projections.

What does this even mean for win projections? Demarcus Cousins has been the best all around center in the Pacific division for a few years already and they won 29 games only.

Very poor argument. dk7th's absolutely right, Melo is a zero sum player. Doesn't bring it when you need it.

He also got punched in the face by Hibbert on drive in the same game if I'm not mistake and was called for an offensive foul. This was during the Hibbert "verticality" era where he wasn't call for a foul ever no matter what.

holfresh wrote:Melo was NBA player of the month, November of 2009, April 2012, April,2013, January 2014..Logged the most minutes in the NBA one of those years..I don't care to look...How is a player out of shape and manages to win player of the month at different intervals of the year and more importantly, at the end of the year, April, twice???...Playing at your best ability and above other NBA players requires being in tip top shape..This is why dk7 can't be taken seriously...

If you only play one side of the ball ( offense ), are not held accountable for the type of shots you take and how many ( poor shot selection/green light to shotjack ), while playing in a weakened Eastern Conference, and playing in a division where one team is openly tanking to the point where the league is discussing changing all the lottery rules ( Philly), another was clearly tanking out too ( Boston), another is a zero point destination for free agent help ( Toronto) and the last was relentlessly broken by a Russian gangster.

Player Of the Week/Player Of the Month usually denotes offensive pedigree and success. It's an INDIVIDUAL AWARD. Why should that surprise anyone. Melo is a lethal 1 vs 1 isolation gunner. He should be winning some of those awards. Esp while most of the rest of the league at the back end of the season is either 1) Openly tanking as hard as possible or 2) Playoff grade teams are often resting/limiting their core rotation to save them for the playoffs.

Melo plays in the weakest division, in the weakest conference, against mostly teams not even trying and only playing one side of the ball.

What LeBron James has done the past few years, playing both sides of the ball, at a high level, at heavy usage, under high pressure. That's a true test of a player's conditioning.

Here's the most pathetic thing about Melo's Don't Try/Don't Care/So What/Screw You/What About My Branding lousy defense - As an NBA "Superstar" that the league actively markets around, he is informally rated for free contact. If you are one of the NBA's "stars", the league and the game is not built to have you foul out on defense. People pay big money to see big names taking big shots in the 4th quarter. That Melo could get away with more contact with refs turning the other way, and still is a lousy defender, boggles the mind. If Melo actually tried and committed to defense, his impact on the ENTIRE TEAM WINNING would be exponential.

Player of the Week/Month is an INDIVIDUAL AWARD.

Players who want to be franchise cores and the Alpha Dog of their teams are JUDGED BY HOW THEY HELP THEIR TEAM WIN CONSISTENTLY AND MAKE THE PLAYERS AROUND THEM BETTER.