[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

The reason why Phil got rid of JR was...
Author Thread
callmened
Posts: 24448
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 5/26/2012
Member: #4234

7/20/2015  1:22 PM
http://mweb.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25245671

99 problems but...

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
AUTOADVERT
joec32033
Posts: 30615
Alba Posts: 37
Joined: 2/3/2004
Member: #583
USA
7/20/2015  1:26 PM
callmened wrote:http://mweb.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25245671

99 problems but...

...but JR Smith ain't one.

~You can't run from who you are.~
CrushAlot
Posts: 59764
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/25/2003
Member: #452
USA
7/20/2015  1:30 PM
"J.R. had been exhibiting some delinquent behavior and had gotten into the habit of coming late to team meetings, or missing them altogether," Jackson says. "Also, Shump and Tim [Hardaway Jr.] were regressing, so I decided to meet with them separately and try to find out what, if anything, was bothering them."

Smith was first on the list. "We talked about his statement to the press that our shooting guard depth was going to be the team's asset, but so far it hadn't worked out that way," Jackson says. "He was supposed to carry the scoring load for the second unit and he wasn't doing the job. I also said that because of his unacceptable behavior, he had two strikes against him with this team. He didn't really respond. He's a very sensitive guy, with his big doe eyes. He looked like he was going to tear up. But he finally responded that he was going through some issues with his gal."


Also of note: Jackson said that head coach Derek Fisher had told him that Smith "always walked around under a dark cloud." Iman Shumpert's big personality was an issue in the locker room, according to Jackson, and Samuel Dalembert apparently fell asleep in the locker room pregame. His conversation with Rosen took place on Jan. 10, just a few days after New York cut ties with Smith, Shumpert and Dalembert, who was waived.

"Delinquent behavior," though? Wow. It's not often you hear an executive use that kind of term so openly, but Jackson is not your average executive. To Smith's credit, he seemed to turn things around with the Cavaliers before his disappointing NBA Finals performance.

It's not great for this kind of thing to come out while Smith remains unsigned. He and Cleveland are reportedly in limbo, with the team wanting him to bring him back on a cheapo one-year deal.


http://mweb.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25245671
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
nixluva
Posts: 56258
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 10/5/2004
Member: #758
USA
7/20/2015  1:31 PM
It's a strange thing to have this kind of open talk about inside team dynamics come out but in the end it's not like this is something surprising. This is the M.O. for JR and Shump for that matter. Everyone knew these kinds of things were going on long before Phil came on board. This is why Phil has gone away from those kinds of personalities. He wants it to be more about basketball and less about crazy acting out and a lack of will to buy into the team concept.
CrushAlot
Posts: 59764
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/25/2003
Member: #452
USA
7/20/2015  1:34 PM
callmened wrote:http://mweb.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25245671

99 problems but...

Thought I found this but realized I follow you on twitter since Vegas and you were the source
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
Nalod
Posts: 71375
Alba Posts: 155
Joined: 12/24/2003
Member: #508
USA
7/20/2015  1:34 PM
JR always has "issues".
Knicks1969
Posts: 25394
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/7/2014
Member: #5915

7/20/2015  1:41 PM
I ain't mad at Phil at all. He did what was needed to rid the roster of the malcontents.
Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
callmened
Posts: 24448
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 5/26/2012
Member: #4234

7/20/2015  1:45 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
callmened wrote:http://mweb.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25245671

99 problems but...

Thought I found this but realized I follow you on twitter since Vegas and you were the source

ha! lol

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
callmened
Posts: 24448
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 5/26/2012
Member: #4234

7/20/2015  1:49 PM
im sure the conversation went like this:

Phil: JR, youre late? why?
JR: my bad it wont happen again

Phil: JR youre late AGAIN, why?
JR: umm...the dog ate my homework
Phil: whatever, 3 strikes and youre OUT

Phil: JR youre late again, why?!!?
JR: it was some girl man, im having girl problems
Phil: IDGAF; youre outta here

-----------------
rightfully so; this guy doesnt take the game OR his talent seriously. frequently on game night in NY, JR was constantly spotted hanging out with girls hours before tip. Even THEY would say "shouldnt you be practicing or something?" smh

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
EnySpree
Posts: 44919
Alba Posts: 138
Joined: 4/18/2003
Member: #397

7/20/2015  2:02 PM
I can't believe this....not from JR, no way!
Subscribe to my Podcast https://youtube.com/c/DiehardknicksPodcast https://twitter.com/DiehardknicksPC https://instagram.com/diehardknickspodcast
EnySpree
Posts: 44919
Alba Posts: 138
Joined: 4/18/2003
Member: #397

7/20/2015  2:02 PM
I can't believe this....not from JR, no way!
Subscribe to my Podcast https://youtube.com/c/DiehardknicksPodcast https://twitter.com/DiehardknicksPC https://instagram.com/diehardknickspodcast
yellowboy90
Posts: 33942
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 4/23/2011
Member: #3538

7/20/2015  2:13 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13269490/the-phil-files-part-4-trade-shook-new-york

What stood out to me...

Shumpert was another problem. "I like Shump," says Jackson, "but he has a very loud, big personality. It was difficult for most of the other guys to deal with, especially if things don't go well for him or the team."


Guns

Still, [Derek Fisher] told me that Tim's defense was actually improving, so I didn't harp too much on that."


Thomas is a good shooter, and Fish said he had gotten good reports about him from his contacts in Oklahoma City. I figured we'd have two 10-day periods to get a closer look at him, so we signed him as well.

This scares me, what the heck is Fisher looking at if he thought Hardaway defense was getting better and that Thomas could shoot.


Did he consult Carmelo Anthony, who had played alongside Smith for almost his entire career, before pulling the trigger?

"Not at all," Jackson says. "If I had done so, Carmelo would have to lie to the media when they asked him about that possibility. If we ever had the opportunity to bring in an All-Star player, I'd certainly ask Carmelo if he thought he could play with the guy. Otherwise, it's appropriate to keep him out of the loop."

Plausible deniability

JrZyHuStLa
Posts: 25677
Alba Posts: 3
Joined: 1/5/2007
Member: #1241

7/20/2015  2:13 PM
Why did it take 3.5 years and a new President to realize this?
meloshouldgo
Posts: 26565
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 5/3/2014
Member: #5801

7/20/2015  2:14 PM
Good riddance. Unprofessional conduct should never be tolerated. Totally agree with what Phil did.
I cannot teach anybody anything. I can only try to make them think - Socrates
smackeddog
Posts: 38391
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 3/30/2005
Member: #883
7/20/2015  2:28 PM
Ha- Dalembert fell asleep in the locker room pregame...
smackeddog
Posts: 38391
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 3/30/2005
Member: #883
7/20/2015  2:28 PM
Wait a minute I thought JR Smith was a former Knick great who Phil was stupid not to get anything for? Weird how he's not been re-signed yet
smackeddog
Posts: 38391
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 3/30/2005
Member: #883
7/20/2015  2:30 PM
The Shumpert stuff was also said the previous season- he seems like a nice guy to have on your team when winning, but tough to endure when losing. I get that that is because he hates losing, so I'm not going to trash him for that.
yellowboy90
Posts: 33942
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 4/23/2011
Member: #3538

7/20/2015  2:41 PM
smackeddog wrote:The Shumpert stuff was also said the previous season- he seems like a nice guy to have on your team when winning, but tough to endure when losing. I get that that is because he hates losing, so I'm not going to trash him for that.

It's not just about the team losing but if he is doing bad personally. So the team could be doing just fine and if he is off he is going to make noise.

WaltLongmire
Posts: 27623
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 6/28/2014
Member: #5843

7/20/2015  2:47 PM
Most of the Rosen article...

Pretty intriguing stuff about a lot of things that were going on...the Draft...Anthony's injury...consulting Anthony...etc. Have to think that they might have traded THJ during the season if he had seemed totally beyond hope...he was basically playing for his Knicks' career during the regular season.


The Knicks were winless on a November Southwest trip, losing to Houston, Dallas and Oklahoma City, but there was even worse news from his staff.

"J.R. had been exhibiting some delinquent behavior and had gotten into the habit of coming late to team meetings, or missing them altogether," Jackson says. "Also, Shump and Tim [Hardaway Jr.] were regressing, so I decided to meet with them separately and try to find out what, if anything, was bothering them."

Smith was first on the list. "We talked about his statement to the press that our shooting guard depth was going to be the team's asset, but so far it hadn't worked out that way," Jackson says. "He was supposed to carry the scoring load for the second unit and he wasn't doing the job. I also said that because of his unacceptable behavior, he had two strikes against him with this team. He didn't really respond. He's a very sensitive guy, with his big doe eyes. He looked like he was going to tear up. But he finally responded that he was going through some issues with his gal."

Shumpert was next in line. "After he suffered a hip injury in Dallas, his game went rapidly downhill. Did he have any other issues to explain his decline? He said, 'No. I don't know what has gone wrong with my game.' As with J. R., nothing got resolved."

Hardaway was more responsive, he says. "I told him he was casting the ball instead of shooting it. And if his man scored on him at the other end, Tim tried to get back at him by forcing up some kind of shot. Plus, his defense was hurting the team. He was not closing out on 3-point shooters and forcing them to put the ball on the floor, not trusting that defensive help would arrive on the second dribble. Still, [Derek Fisher] told me that Tim's defense was actually improving, so I didn't harp too much on that."

Hardaway seemed to take the comments to heart, Jackson says, and vowed to work on his flaws. "On New Year's Eve, we played an afternoon game in L.A. against the Clippers," Jackson says. "We stayed overnight in L.A. on New Year's Eve, so whatever might go on probably doesn't help that we have a game the next day. "I asked Fish what players were the biggest distractions. He said that although J.R. never talked back to him, he always walked around under a dark cloud. Derek was worried that negative energy was contagious."

Shumpert was another problem. "I like Shump," says Jackson, "but he has a very loud, big personality. It was difficult for most of the other guys to deal with, especially if things don't go well for him or the team."

The other nuisance, according to Jackson, was Sam Dalembert, who had fallen asleep in the pregame locker room sessions.

"These aspects presented problems that D-Fish doesn't think are going to get our season turned around and, more than that, won't establish this 'culture' we're trying to develop."

Jackson saw no other way. He had to make a deal.

"We made the trade to Cleveland because that was the best place to get J.R. and Shump playing ball the right way. The money that comes back to our cap situation is the benefit of these trades. We need to get out from under our obligations of contracts."

Did he consult Carmelo Anthony, who had played alongside Smith for almost his entire career, before pulling the trigger?

"Not at all," Jackson says. "If I had done so, Carmelo would have to lie to the media when they asked him about that possibility. If we ever had the opportunity to bring in an All-Star player, I'd certainly ask Carmelo if he thought he could play with the guy. Otherwise, it's appropriate to keep him out of the loop."

The three players sent to New York in the deal were promptly waived, and Amundson and Thomas soon signed 10-day contract. "They can help us," Jackson says. "Lou's experienced, he can bang, and he knows his role. Thomas is a good shooter, and Fish said he had gotten good reports about him from his contacts in Oklahoma City. I figured we'd have two 10-day periods to get a closer look at him, so we signed him as well. Kirk we simply cut loose."

The owner of the restaurant accompanies our waiter as the latter brings us poached cod fish. With it, the owner proffers a photograph of a much younger Jackson wearing a Chicago Bulls sweat suit. Jackson gladly obliges the owner's request for an autograph.

His time with the Bulls seems so long ago now, with the Knicks closer to picking at top of the draft than the top of the standings.

At best, the Knicks would get the first pick and tab center Jahlil Okafor, although Jackson thinks he might not be aggressive enough. "Also, if you look at the guys who came to the NBA from Duke, aside from Grant Hill, which ones lived up to expectations?"

At worst, New York will get the fourth pick. "If this happens, I like to know about that kid Emmanuel Mudiay, who's playing in China."

Jackson adds that the free-agent market is much more reliable: "There will be 193 free agents next summer. Some of them restricted but most of them not. So, really, we made the deal mainly because we needed more under-the-cap money to be able to sign some guys we like. The 8 million dollars or so that we picked up in salary exemptions will also help."

Even so, Jackson is not overly enthusiastic about adding five or more new players to next season's rosters. What he'd rather do is bring in a few NBA veterans ASAP: "The idea is to have the rest of this season to get them indoctrinated, to get them comfortable in Fish's game plan. Something might come along during the trading deadline."

Jackson ponders the trade bait the Knicks have left to offer. Pablo Prigioni, he says, is an obvious choice.

"He's 37 and has a small enough contract for next season to entice a contending team to want him as a backup. Same thing with [Jose] Calderon. ... If a team making a championship run needs some stability at the point, then we'd listen. Would anybody take a chance on [Andrea] Bargnani? I did and got no return whatsoever. Maybe he'd be another candidate for a salary dump. Maybe we'll just bite the bullet and waive him. Anyway, we're now in the hunt."

On the plus side, Jackson again makes sure to praise Langston Galloway. "He's got broad shoulders, long arms and the talent and work ethic to have a nice career in the NBA."

He also likes Cole Aldrich. "The problem with him is, that after sitting on the bench for four seasons, he's now being asked to play starter's minutes. So, especially since Amar'e [Stoudemire] has been out, Cole is really wearing down."

And what about Hardaway?

"We were hoping that Tim would establish himself as a bona fide starter, but he's been surprisingly inconsistent," Jackson says. "Sometimes the personalities of a coach and a particular player simply don't match. That could be the case with Tim and Fish, but I'll wait until the end of the season and see what Fish has to say. Tim still has a bright future -- he wants to be good, and if he learns how to improve all the aspects of his game he has a chance."

And Carmelo?

"He's the only player, besides Jose, on a long-term contract, and once we get moving in the right direction, he'll thrive in the Triangle. If it was up to me, I'd rather he had the surgery ASAP, since it'll take about six months to fully recuperate. And, really, what difference does it make if he plays this season or not? Winning 20 games or 25 games doesn't get us into the playoffs, and the aspect of him playing with a physical issue isn't in our or his best interests."

The fortune cookies arrive. Jackson's reads: "The shortest distance between two people is a smile."

Despite the frigid weather, and the gusting winds, we decide to walk the 10 blocks to his apartment building. The streets are filled with passers-by. Although several of them take a peek at Jackson, nobody smiles at him.

EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
Rookie
Posts: 27069
Alba Posts: 28
Joined: 10/15/2008
Member: #2274

7/20/2015  2:48 PM
The reason why Phil got rid of JR was...

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy