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callmened
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7/19/2015  9:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/19/2015  9:47 PM
Houston will send a collective of little-used reserves -- Kostas Papanikolaou, Pablo Prigioni, Nick Johnson and Joey Dorsey -- and a protected 2016 first-round pick to Denver, according to Wojnarowski. Denver is sending a 2017 second-round pick with Lawson, according to Wojnarowski.
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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7/19/2015  9:48 PM
wow!

Houston can really use him.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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7/19/2015  9:49 PM
who cares, we got Lou Amundson and Lance Thomas

We just form a Triangle and we become invincible


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7/19/2015  9:53 PM
Nice. I was just reading about how they would have 15 guaranteed contracts tomorrow if they kept Pablo. Pablo probably doesn't have his option picked up and ends up somewhere else.
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callmened
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7/19/2015  9:54 PM
RonRon wrote:who cares, we got Lou Amundson and Lance Thomas

We just form a Triangle and we become invincible


lololol

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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7/19/2015  9:54 PM
RonRon wrote:who cares, we got Lou Amundson and Lance Thomas

We just form a Triangle and we become invincible


lololol

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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7/19/2015  10:02 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/19/2015  10:07 PM
Pablo Prigs!

Maybe we can lure him back with the room exemption
He was a great locker room presence, works hard, eats healthy, and speaks Spanish


Who needs penetration, Houston is dumb to have multiple threats that could penetrate/finish/facilitate...

They just can not form the Triangle because Phil Jackson didn't teach them how to form it correctly

Phil Jackson has 11 rings, Fisher has 4, we just post on a message board, we do not see the value of Lance Thomas and Lou Amundson...

Seriously though, I like the young BIGS on Denver, and I think Mudiay will be a TOP TIER PG

Denver stockpiled draft picks and will continue to look to break up their roster for more draft picks/assets

ALL TEAMS form Triangles, it is called a post presence and floor spacing
But when Phil Jackson formed it, he had TOP TIER DOMINANT YOUNG TALENT and VERSATILE 2way Talents
Far from what he is giving Fisher to work with...

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7/19/2015  10:05 PM
Don't really see the benefit for Houston. How does Ty Lawson fit next to James Harden? They're both ball-dominant guards who want the ball in their hands.
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7/19/2015  10:10 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/19/2015  10:15 PM
If Phil Jackson really has interest in Beverely and Morey really had interest in CA at a MAX
CA can join a contender and make even more money with the trade kicker, no state tax, and get wide open shots with defenders to help him

Morey can still give us a good package for CA if he shows he can play at a high level

Beverly
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Terrence Jones
Brewer or KJ McDaniels
2 2nd rounders, 2016 Knicks 2nd rounder, 2017 Portland 2nd rounder
2 future 1st rounders from Houston
150% rule

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CA
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7/19/2015  10:29 PM
VCoug wrote:Don't really see the benefit for Houston. How does Ty Lawson fit next to James Harden? They're both ball-dominant guards who want the ball in their hands.

Harden complained that he wanted another ballhandler after the playoffs. Well, one just fell into Houston's lap.
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7/19/2015  10:39 PM
VCoug wrote:Don't really see the benefit for Houston. How does Ty Lawson fit next to James Harden? They're both ball-dominant guards who want the ball in their hands.

Lawson actually does well in a 2 of line up.

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7/19/2015  10:40 PM
Also, bring back Prigs!
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7/19/2015  11:36 PM
VCoug wrote:Don't really see the benefit for Houston. How does Ty Lawson fit next to James Harden? They're both ball-dominant guards who want the ball in their hands.

They need something like this..Harden dominates the ball so much that it's hard for others to get in any rhythm to actually help the team..Remember when every else started playing well when Harden sat on the bench during the playoffs?? They have to find a way for Harden's game to be on while others are also in rhythm..Harden might have to add catch and shoot to his arsenal.

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7/19/2015  11:52 PM
holfresh wrote:
VCoug wrote:Don't really see the benefit for Houston. How does Ty Lawson fit next to James Harden? They're both ball-dominant guards who want the ball in their hands.

They need something like this..Harden dominates the ball so much that it's hard for others to get in any rhythm to actually help the team..Remember when every else started playing well when Harden sat on the bench during the playoffs?? They have to find a way for Harden's game to be on while others are also in rhythm..Harden might have to add catch and shoot to his arsenal.

nope wrong again. this is a bad acquisition. not only alcohol issues but the way he plays the game just doesn't fit. it's like the knicks with melo and stat... utterly redundant and no defense. remember the numbers with both of them on the floor. the numbers showed they SUCKED when they played together.

now if lawson comes off the bench then there's not as much of an issue. he'll never be an effective defender so that's also an issue in terms of pairing him with harden.

please bookmark this as well so you can prove me wrong when it seems appropriate.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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7/20/2015  12:50 AM
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
VCoug wrote:Don't really see the benefit for Houston. How does Ty Lawson fit next to James Harden? They're both ball-dominant guards who want the ball in their hands.

They need something like this..Harden dominates the ball so much that it's hard for others to get in any rhythm to actually help the team..Remember when every else started playing well when Harden sat on the bench during the playoffs?? They have to find a way for Harden's game to be on while others are also in rhythm..Harden might have to add catch and shoot to his arsenal.

nope wrong again. this is a bad acquisition. not only alcohol issues but the way he plays the game just doesn't fit. it's like the knicks with melo and stat... utterly redundant and no defense. remember the numbers with both of them on the floor. the numbers showed they SUCKED when they played together.

now if lawson comes off the bench then there's not as much of an issue. he'll never be an effective defender so that's also an issue in terms of pairing him with harden.

please bookmark this as well so you can prove me wrong when it seems appropriate.

Ha..Give yourself some credit, I remember our conversations, where and why we are having them..

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7/20/2015  2:25 AM
How many players have tackled/wrestled with substance issues and not seen their game significantly decline? A genuine question, I can't think of many off the top of my head.
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7/20/2015  2:26 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/20/2015  6:45 AM
A little disappointed. I was kinda holding out hope that we would've swung a deal for Lawson. I know he wasn't a popular choice on this board but I discussed a good 5 reasons or so why he would've made sense here. Who knows if we were ever even in on the conversation for him--I don't think we could've matched the deal Houston came up with to get him, which included a 1st round pick. So yet another potential backcourt upgrade off the table...I see others aren't too concerned about pursuing a couple of good players to finish the roster off sooner than later. I gotta disagree there -- I feel the more we wait, the more we're content to sit on our hands, the more options will continue to pass us by. Shved's gone, the kid Hackett went back to Europe, now Lawson's gone..Who's next--John Jenkins, Elliot Williams (one scenario I've been thinking about is cutting Ledo and picking up both Jenkins and Elliot Williams)?

Just curious why we even bothered working Williams out if we weren't gonna offer him a contract. What were we looking for in a private workout that he didn't show in his stellar DL stint this year which included being a DL all-star, a DL Finals run and Finals MVP honors? Look, I know what EW is--I know this kid isn't Michael Jordan, I know he's not the type of FA we contact first when the clock strikes midnight on the first day of free agency, I know he's been injured and I know he's had trouble sticking in the NBA--I still say he fits like a glove. He fits every quality we should be looking for in an extra guard--he's right in our salary range, he's available, he's got the versatility to play both guard spots we seem to covet, he's still young, plays reasonably good defense, he's athletic and can push the ball/play above the rim at times, and despite being a scorer (can never have enough scoring btw) he can handle the ball, he's unselfish and a very good passer. For a 14th, 15th guy, what more could we possibly want? The fact of the matter is he's no ordinary 15th man on a roster--over here he could very well compete for primary backup PG and SG duties (I'd argue he's actually a better player than Calderon, Galloway and Ledo). I think EW's good enough to start in the NBA.. I'd like to grab this guy now while we still can. He's a lot of value on a minimum contract. Just my 2 cents..

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7/20/2015  2:56 AM
I hope we can get papanikolaou
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7/20/2015  5:30 AM
RonRon wrote:If Phil Jackson really has interest in Beverely and Morey really had interest in CA at a MAX
CA can join a contender and make even more money with the trade kicker, no state tax, and get wide open shots with defenders to help him

Morey can still give us a good package for CA if he shows he can play at a high level

Beverly
DMO
Terrence Jones
Brewer or KJ McDaniels
2 2nd rounders, 2016 Knicks 2nd rounder, 2017 Portland 2nd rounder
2 future 1st rounders from Houston
150% rule

Rights to Monztrell/Decker
Throw ins if needed...

for

CA
and throw ins
Early
Ledo


Are you sure you are asking enough from Houston here? I mean I can't be sure if you are letting them off light. I mean 6 players ( What would end up being just about 5 starting players for the Knicks) and 4 draft choices, hey that's really letting the Rockets get over on the Knicks here.

You sure you wouldn't want to ask for more assets than that?

Absolutely sure?

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Morey's history of personnel shows he acquires talent first and foremost and worries about fit later.

At one point, several years back, he had like 10 PFs on the roster in an offseason.

NBA Trade History generally shows that the single more talented player often yields the better return than the platter of smaller parts.

Houston wins this deal by a longshot.

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7/20/2015  6:01 AM
Can we flip Calderon to denver? I would take Pablo back along with Hickson both expiring deals. Or possibly something else?
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