If the team struggles early, or if Melo pulls a JR/Shump... the Knicks can trade Melo and get a small ransom for him....

either way, the Knicks fans/organization win. Or future is set and we have a healthy cap situation.

We win anyway you look at it

and sign actual talent this summer with the money CA makes
If we are going to keep CA and ask him to take a paycut, use that pay cut to sign Lou Amundson and Lance Thomas, I do not blame CA for not be very happy

EnySpree wrote:We didn't move him earlier. The smart thing to do would have been to not even sign him at all...

without back tracking and just dealing with this situation, the Knicks are doing great and no matter what we will be fine

I actually disagree about not signing Melo at all. The thing you would hope for is that having him still allowed FA's to feel they weren't coming to a team that had nothing. So we've gotten thru FA and have a solid roster. Now if Melo shows he can play the way he always has that would give us a very nice trade chip going forward. At any time this year if Melo should decide that he wants a win now roster he can waive his no trade. I think it still made sense to have him as an asset. I don't think he's gonna want to beg off from this team tho. I think Melo is gonna find a comfort zone with this team and help the team make a run for the playoffs. It's in his best interests to have a great year no matter what he decides he wants to do. Stay or Go, Melo has to perform.

EnySpree wrote:We didn't move him earlier. The smart thing to do would have been to not even sign him at all...

without back tracking and just dealing with this situation, the Knicks are doing great and no matter what we will be fine

I would rather pay him then see if I could trade him for something even if its not what we gave up. Or he works out and we take large steps forward and next yr with cap space we are actually able to land a big fish. Even if he becomes unmovable, just keep rebuilding through draft picks. This allows you to cover all bases.

EnySpree wrote:If Carmelo comes into this season and plays the way he's been playing, the Knicks should make the playoffs....

If the team struggles early, or if Melo pulls a JR/Shump... the Knicks can trade Melo and get a small ransom for him....

either way, the Knicks fans/organization win. Or future is set and we have a healthy cap situation.

We win anyway you look at it

Hi is a non-factor for sure and always was.
Phil stated this already.
His relationship with knicks is his problem not the Knicks.
So I do not worry about this.
We are not hostages of him any more.
He is a hostage of his own decisions.

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:

EnySpree wrote:We didn't move him earlier. The smart thing to do would have been to not even sign him at all...

without back tracking and just dealing with this situation, the Knicks are doing great and no matter what we will be fine

I actually disagree about not signing Melo at all. The thing you would hope for is that having him still allowed FA's to feel they weren't coming to a team that had nothing. So we've gotten thru FA and have a solid roster. Now if Melo shows he can play the way he always has that would give us a very nice trade chip going forward. At any time this year if Melo should decide that he wants a win now roster he can waive his no trade. I think it still made sense to have him as an asset. I don't think he's gonna want to beg off from this team tho. I think Melo is gonna find a comfort zone with this team and help the team make a run for the playoffs. It's in his best interests to have a great year no matter what he decides he wants to do. Stay or Go, Melo has to perform.

he is not going to have any takers out there for win-now-- he's too expensive. more likely we get marbury 2.0.

Someone hasn't been paying attention to the contracts handed out this offseason...

EnySpree wrote:We didn't move him earlier. The smart thing to do would have been to not even sign him at all...

how so? We don't have our 2016 pick, so a total rebuild was pointless before we have all our first rounders going forward. Once a complete rebuild begins, we don't really need 100% cap space because no major free agents are coming here. The cap is exploding, so we can trade him and get something (more than some of you seem to pretend to think). If we just let him walk for nothing, how exactly would that have benefited us?

smackeddog wrote:

nixluva wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:

EnySpree wrote:We didn't move him earlier. The smart thing to do would have been to not even sign him at all...

without back tracking and just dealing with this situation, the Knicks are doing great and no matter what we will be fine

I actually disagree about not signing Melo at all. The thing you would hope for is that having him still allowed FA's to feel they weren't coming to a team that had nothing. So we've gotten thru FA and have a solid roster. Now if Melo shows he can play the way he always has that would give us a very nice trade chip going forward. At any time this year if Melo should decide that he wants a win now roster he can waive his no trade. I think it still made sense to have him as an asset. I don't think he's gonna want to beg off from this team tho. I think Melo is gonna find a comfort zone with this team and help the team make a run for the playoffs. It's in his best interests to have a great year no matter what he decides he wants to do. Stay or Go, Melo has to perform.

he is not going to have any takers out there for win-now-- he's too expensive. more likely we get marbury 2.0.

Well IMO it's not that pressing of an issue at this point. Melo's going to have to play and play well enough to show he's fully back to All Star level. That's not gonna happen right away. If he is playing well I expect the team to win games and if that happens he's not gonna want to leave NY and we'll be just fine with having him and a team that's winning games. I just don't see a big deal. If he plays well and the Knicks stink he has the option of waiving his no trade and i'm sure there will be a team out there looking for an edge in the post season.

Come on Nixluva- we all know that All-stars have no trade value, especially to win-now teams- dk7th is right!

Pretty sure he meant a lot of those teams don't have 20 million dollars in contracts to send back, without making their team worse.

nixluva wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:

EnySpree wrote:We didn't move him earlier. The smart thing to do would have been to not even sign him at all...

without back tracking and just dealing with this situation, the Knicks are doing great and no matter what we will be fine

I actually disagree about not signing Melo at all. The thing you would hope for is that having him still allowed FA's to feel they weren't coming to a team that had nothing. So we've gotten thru FA and have a solid roster. Now if Melo shows he can play the way he always has that would give us a very nice trade chip going forward. At any time this year if Melo should decide that he wants a win now roster he can waive his no trade. I think it still made sense to have him as an asset. I don't think he's gonna want to beg off from this team tho. I think Melo is gonna find a comfort zone with this team and help the team make a run for the playoffs. It's in his best interests to have a great year no matter what he decides he wants to do. Stay or Go, Melo has to perform.

he is not going to have any takers out there for win-now-- he's too expensive. more likely we get marbury 2.0.

Well IMO it's not that pressing of an issue at this point. Melo's going to have to play and play well enough to show he's fully back to All Star level. That's not gonna happen right away. If he is playing well I expect the team to win games and if that happens he's not gonna want to leave NY and we'll be just fine with having him and a team that's winning games. I just don't see a big deal. If he plays well and the Knicks stink he has the option of waiving his no trade and i'm sure there will be a team out there looking for an edge in the post season.

the most games the knicks are going to win, if everybody performs and melo acts like a professional, is around 38-39. unless you think kp is going to explode that is all anyone should expect. if melo pouts, sulks, gets "disgruntled," asks for a leave of absence for "personal reasons," etc. etc. the knicks still look to win around 30 games. either way the knicks will remain a lower-tier team and basically irrelevant outside of the city.

right now it's 50-50 whether he asks to be traded or pulls a marbury. at that point all fingers should point to dolan.

Jmpasq wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

nixluva wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:

EnySpree wrote:We didn't move him earlier. The smart thing to do would have been to not even sign him at all...

without back tracking and just dealing with this situation, the Knicks are doing great and no matter what we will be fine

I actually disagree about not signing Melo at all. The thing you would hope for is that having him still allowed FA's to feel they weren't coming to a team that had nothing. So we've gotten thru FA and have a solid roster. Now if Melo shows he can play the way he always has that would give us a very nice trade chip going forward. At any time this year if Melo should decide that he wants a win now roster he can waive his no trade. I think it still made sense to have him as an asset. I don't think he's gonna want to beg off from this team tho. I think Melo is gonna find a comfort zone with this team and help the team make a run for the playoffs. It's in his best interests to have a great year no matter what he decides he wants to do. Stay or Go, Melo has to perform.

he is not going to have any takers out there for win-now-- he's too expensive. more likely we get marbury 2.0.

Well IMO it's not that pressing of an issue at this point. Melo's going to have to play and play well enough to show he's fully back to All Star level. That's not gonna happen right away. If he is playing well I expect the team to win games and if that happens he's not gonna want to leave NY and we'll be just fine with having him and a team that's winning games. I just don't see a big deal. If he plays well and the Knicks stink he has the option of waiving his no trade and i'm sure there will be a team out there looking for an edge in the post season.

Come on Nixluva- we all know that All-stars have no trade value, especially to win-now teams- dk7th is right!

Pretty sure he meant a lot of those teams don't have 20 million dollars in contracts to send back, without making their team worse.

yeah... where have i seen that before?

smackeddog wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:

EnySpree wrote:We didn't move him earlier. The smart thing to do would have been to not even sign him at all...

without back tracking and just dealing with this situation, the Knicks are doing great and no matter what we will be fine

I actually disagree about not signing Melo at all. The thing you would hope for is that having him still allowed FA's to feel they weren't coming to a team that had nothing. So we've gotten thru FA and have a solid roster. Now if Melo shows he can play the way he always has that would give us a very nice trade chip going forward. At any time this year if Melo should decide that he wants a win now roster he can waive his no trade. I think it still made sense to have him as an asset. I don't think he's gonna want to beg off from this team tho. I think Melo is gonna find a comfort zone with this team and help the team make a run for the playoffs. It's in his best interests to have a great year no matter what he decides he wants to do. Stay or Go, Melo has to perform.

he is not going to have any takers out there for win-now-- he's too expensive. more likely we get marbury 2.0.

Someone hasn't been paying attention to the contracts handed out this offseason...