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NYY1NYK2
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7/15/2015  8:35 AM
If he's not traded by training camp they are going to waive him.
Trade calderon for anything, and sign lawson
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7/15/2015  8:57 AM
is that a good move? lawson is a headcase, no? how bad is his contract?
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7/15/2015  9:00 AM
source?
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7/15/2015  9:00 AM
wow, the level of guessing from the OP is pretty ridiculous. you titled the thread, "lawson to be waived" and then added in your post "if he's not traded by training camp", well training camp is 2 months away... i think theres a pretty slim chance the nuggets won't be able to trade him, even with the most recent dui charge.
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7/15/2015  9:03 AM
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/14/report-nuggets-considering-waiving-ty-lawson/
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7/15/2015  9:04 AM
nyk4ever wrote:wow, the level of guessing from the OP is pretty ridiculous. you titled the thread, "lawson to be waived" and then added in your post "if he's not traded by training camp", well training camp is 2 months away... i think theres a pretty slim chance the nuggets won't be able to trade him, even with the most recent dui charge.

yea really... terrible title. Anyway a DUI isnt team killer. Not sure why that would have Denver looking to dump him unless its just icing on the cake

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7/15/2015  9:10 AM
Alright bad title, move forward. The point is they have had it with him, almost like us and JR smith. Perfect opportunity for us to take a gamble
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7/15/2015  9:25 AM
Do we really need a player that's as toxic to his current team as JR was to us?
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7/15/2015  9:27 AM
meloshouldgo wrote:Do we really need a player that's as toxic to his current team as JR was to us?

Jason Kidd got a DUI right before our season started, had a good season with us.....sometimes ppl get it together

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7/15/2015  9:31 AM
fishmike wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:wow, the level of guessing from the OP is pretty ridiculous. you titled the thread, "lawson to be waived" and then added in your post "if he's not traded by training camp", well training camp is 2 months away... i think theres a pretty slim chance the nuggets won't be able to trade him, even with the most recent dui charge.

yea really... terrible title. Anyway a DUI isnt team killer. Not sure why that would have Denver looking to dump him unless its just icing on the cake

I was thinking the same thing, but I think he had 2 of them (dui) in one wk or month. That makes the 2nd one unforgivable and pretty damn stupid.

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7/15/2015  9:36 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:wow, the level of guessing from the OP is pretty ridiculous. you titled the thread, "lawson to be waived" and then added in your post "if he's not traded by training camp", well training camp is 2 months away... i think theres a pretty slim chance the nuggets won't be able to trade him, even with the most recent dui charge.

yea really... terrible title. Anyway a DUI isnt team killer. Not sure why that would have Denver looking to dump him unless its just icing on the cake

I was thinking the same thing, but I think he had 2 of them (dui) in one wk or month. That makes the 2nd one unforgivable and pretty damn stupid.

Yeah and they have Mudiay. They were trying to trade him before he got his second (I believe it was 6 months after the first but not sure).
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7/15/2015  10:16 AM
I would be skeptical and hesitant to trade for Lawson even if he hadn't gotten two DUIs in the past six months.

We have Jerian Grant. Lawson is good, but he's small and I don't think he can be a starter on a real contender. If he came with no baggage, you consider him as a sixth man. With all that baggage? NO. We're trying to build a good environment here. Once that environment is set, then you can think of bringing in a question mark or two with high upside. While the environment is being set up, you don't want an alcoholic point guard who is too small to defend his position and will bitch if he doesn't start. Toxic. No thanks.

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7/15/2015  10:21 AM
Dude is making $12+M this year anyway, no way the Knicks could trade for him and it doesn't make sense.
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7/15/2015  10:58 AM
martin wrote:Dude is making $12+M this year anyway, no way the Knicks could trade for him and it doesn't make sense.

We wouldnt have to trade, pick him up after clearing waivers

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7/15/2015  11:00 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:wow, the level of guessing from the OP is pretty ridiculous. you titled the thread, "lawson to be waived" and then added in your post "if he's not traded by training camp", well training camp is 2 months away... i think theres a pretty slim chance the nuggets won't be able to trade him, even with the most recent dui charge.

yea really... terrible title. Anyway a DUI isnt team killer. Not sure why that would have Denver looking to dump him unless its just icing on the cake

I was thinking the same thing, but I think he had 2 of them (dui) in one wk or month. That makes the 2nd one unforgivable and pretty damn stupid.

Yeah and they have Mudiay. They were trying to trade him before he got his second (I believe it was 6 months after the first but not sure).

The DUI was probably the straw that broke the camel's back. Bottomline is this dude is another headcase.

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7/15/2015  11:05 AM
meloshouldgo wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:wow, the level of guessing from the OP is pretty ridiculous. you titled the thread, "lawson to be waived" and then added in your post "if he's not traded by training camp", well training camp is 2 months away... i think theres a pretty slim chance the nuggets won't be able to trade him, even with the most recent dui charge.

yea really... terrible title. Anyway a DUI isnt team killer. Not sure why that would have Denver looking to dump him unless its just icing on the cake

I was thinking the same thing, but I think he had 2 of them (dui) in one wk or month. That makes the 2nd one unforgivable and pretty damn stupid.

Yeah and they have Mudiay. They were trying to trade him before he got his second (I believe it was 6 months after the first but not sure).

The DUI was probably the straw that broke the camel's back. Bottomline is this dude is another headcase.

It seems his issue may be chronic. It was already a known reason why he was on block and he gets another. No thanks, pass. This team is headed in right direction as far as character, dont need to pollute the waters
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7/15/2015  11:33 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/15/2015  11:58 AM
NYY1NYK2 wrote:
martin wrote:Dude is making $12+M this year anyway, no way the Knicks could trade for him and it doesn't make sense.

We wouldnt have to trade, pick him up after clearing waivers

That's one way of looking at it. Run the risk of someone else picking him up though. What if they never dump him and then what if they work out a trade with someone else? I mean we could be aggressive and jump on this right now. I actually think trading for him right now makes some sense on a couple of levels. First off on the surface talent-wise, a hypothetical trade of Calderon + Cleanthony Early for Lawson is pretty fair (in our favor actually). I might even include cash too (I believe we still have our full allotment to use in a trade, no?). Lawson's better than Jose obviously but DEN doesn't seem to want him anymore -- to get a decent young sweetener like Early may make it worthwhile. I like it for us for several reasons -- Lawson's coming off a very good year and despite being slightly undersized, he's still a starting caliber PG (15.2 ppg, 9.6 apg -- for perspective, those are comparable numbers to Jeff Teague who was an all-star last year -- Lawson's had good numbers the past 3 years as a matter of fact). Only 2 more seasons left on his contract just like Calderon's so if it didn't work out, it's only 2 years--not like we'd be adding 5 years of extended high salary here. Same length as Calderon's and on the talent upgrade alone, you can certainly argue Lawson would be worth the $4mm difference a year over Calderon, give or take. Speaking of Early, I know he's looked good in SL (ya figure his value is solid right now) but I'm not really a fan to be honest. I actually think Ndour might be a better player -- so if we went 2 for 1 on this trade, we'd open up the extra roster spot to accommodate Ndour, plus maintain the two current open spots to add the guard and big we need (Elliots Williams, O. Galdikas?). It's another talented ready-to-go piece we could surround Melo with (we are still trying to win with this guy despite developing some young players) and like Afflalo, Melo's played with Lawson in Denver so there's some familiarity. I mean Lawson could be good for 5 more wins by himself alone. The more wins we get the weaker the pick we wind up giving Toronto, right? Last year's over -- time to start winning games now and Lawson could help us do that. Plus another thing is we'd be able to bring Jerian Grant along a little slower than what we're looking at right now -- I like Grant but he may not be ready to start right way. Lawson backed up by Jerian Grant would be real solid. Add to that Afflalo & Ledo at the 2 and maybe an Elliot Williams who's versatile enough to play both spots (real athletic and talented too)--the backcourt would finally feel much more complete than it does now. Another thing to consider -- the addition of Lawson, a nice productive PG and assist man, would make us look that more attractive to potential FAs next summer.

There's some hesitation there with Lawson -- what's this his 3rd DWI now, 2 in the last yr? Young man's got some work to do to straighten himself out for sure but it doesn't seem insurmountable. There are guys out there in much worse shape than Ty Lawson. I dunno man -- I think the pluses would outweigh the minuses if we acquired Lawson. Maybe we could even milk a future 2nd round pick out this -- try to sell them that we're talking on salary (saving them salary), talking on a troubled player and giving them a halfway decent prospect in Early.

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7/15/2015  11:37 AM
I see what your saying but early has clearly taken a step forward, put on some muscle and is playing good.
Dont think phil pulls the trigger on that....Calderon + Amundson or Thomas, all day
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7/15/2015  11:51 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/15/2015  11:53 AM
NYY1NYK2 wrote:I see what your saying but early has clearly taken a step forward, put on some muscle and is playing good.
Dont think phil pulls the trigger on that....Calderon + Amundson or Thomas, all day

Yeah definitely I'd prefer that instead in a heartbeat -- just trying to give DEN incentive to make the deal and make it now. I don't think they will flat out release him like it's being reported -- he's in his prime and very productive. Not trying to make light of getting behind the wheel drunk but there's far worse things he could've done. Hard to believe they waive him for this alone. I'd be surprised if they did...If anything, they'll shop him in a trade and wind up pulling the trigger on the best deal they can find. I would think we'd need to make a halfway competitive offer to have a shot here. If we came strong right now with Calderon/Early/maybe cash, I think we could get him. Then we piece together the last few spots (Ndour, Elliot Williams, Galdikas) and it's a wrap. Time to go to war.

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7/15/2015  12:06 PM
Alcoholism and new york city are not a great combination for bball players.

Even before the 2 DUI's, the rap on Lawson was that he'd turn up to work, do what was required and then go home- that he didn't love ball, nor put in any extra effort. Eventually that catches up with a player after a few years, especially as their athleticism declines.

What I like about him is he can penetrate to the basket- something Calderon can't. However he's small, a terrible defender and a poor shooter. Very good passer and very good at getting to the basket. Often was called one of the most underrated PGs and was a big reason for Denvers success, post Melo.

What I don't like about him is the declining attitude and work ethic and possible alcohol issues. Once a players attitude starts to stink, it's hard to get it back. If we could move Calderon to the Bulls for Taj Gibson, I would consider signing him if waived, but I'm not sure I'd pull the trigger.

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