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NYY1NYK2
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7/14/2015  10:39 AM
1. Grant becomes a starter at some point (AVG 12pts 8 ast)
2. Porzingis slowly gets worked in (AVG 14pts 6Rebs)
3. the knicks go 42-40 (7th Seed)
4. Melo AVG'S 25-26PPG
5. Afflalo becomes our 2nd leading scorer at 17PPG
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7/14/2015  10:40 AM
wow! that would be the jackpot as far as expectations.
so here is what phil is thinking ....
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7/14/2015  10:45 AM
mreinman wrote:wow! that would be the jackpot as far as expectations.

What seems like a Reach?
12-8 for grant playing 25-30 mins, very doable
13-5 for porzingis, he gets to the line ALOT
melo will be melo, even if he takes 100 shots, he will get his (selfish bastard)
Not sure if you've noticed but grant get everyone involved before he starts scoring... dont see why afflalo cant get 16-17 as his backcourt running mate
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7/14/2015  10:50 AM
NYY1NYK2 wrote:1. Grant becomes a starter at some point (AVG 12pts 8 ast)
2. Porzingis slowly gets worked in (AVG 14pts 6Rebs)
3. the knicks go 42-40 (7th Seed)
4. Melo AVG'S 25-26PPG
5. Afflalo becomes our 2nd leading scorer at 17PPG

Hornets are going to suck
Pacers (lost hibbert,lost scola,lost West)
Nets are going to suck (whos their starting PG, and when lopez gets his yrly foot injury , whos the backup center, bargnani ?
Philly will still be a lottery team
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7/14/2015  11:03 AM
This knick team winning 42 games? That is only possible if Mel wakes the he'll up and play s team ball. But he won't. We will win about 34 games next season and then keep building from there.
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7/14/2015  11:04 AM
In terms of team construction the Knicks are one of the more solidly built teams. They have to work on their chemistry but they should be able to get off to a good start just based on Max Effort. That's the reason for building a team that is full of hard working players rather than just skill guys. Unlike last year where we lost so many close games due to not being able to defend and rebound I suspect this team will be much better in those areas. That should give this team a better chance to win games with their defense and effort.

We still have to see what this team looks like in Training Camp and Pre Season in order to really get a good feel for what they can do. The real issue is going to be the mental approach of Melo and his health. If he's fully engaged and healthy this team should be highly competitive. Another wild card is just what we will get from KP, Jerian and the other young players. There's no way to really anticipate what their input will be. So things could fluctuate wildly based on how they manage the season.
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7/14/2015  11:06 AM
I want to see the Knicks as a team average at least 5 blks a game or more. Also want to see overall rebounding improvement.
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7/14/2015  11:33 AM
TPercy wrote:This knick team winning 42 games? That is only possible if Mel wakes the he'll up and play s team ball. But he won't. We will win about 34 games next season and then keep building from there.

Winning 42 games isn't about one guy. Was Melo asleep when we won 52 and he led the league in scoring? Probably not, but more importantly they got contributions from JR, Fat-ton, Kidd, and even Shump had an occasional game where he wasn't launching wide open shots off the side of the backboard.

They had the worst backcourt in the league in 2013-2014 years ago, and one of the worst last season. You simply can't overcome that with the league so perimeter oriented. We should be vastly improved in the backcourt from a shooting and defense perspective. This is a game changer.
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nixluva wrote:In terms of team construction the Knicks are one of the more solidly built teams. They have to work on their chemistry but they should be able to get off to a good start just based on Max Effort. That's the reason for building a team that is full of hard working players rather than just skill guys. Unlike last year where we lost so many close games due to not being able to defend and rebound I suspect this team will be much better in those areas. That should give this team a better chance to win games with their defense and effort.

We still have to see what this team looks like in Training Camp and Pre Season in order to really get a good feel for what they can do. The real issue is going to be the mental approach of Melo and his health. If he's fully engaged and healthy this team should be highly competitive. Another wild card is just what we will get from KP, Jerian and the other young players. There's no way to really anticipate what their input will be. So things could fluctuate wildly based on how they manage the season.

This is spot on. Melo's health and the contributions from the young players will obviously be the big question marks.
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SwishAndDish13 wrote:
nixluva wrote:In terms of team construction the Knicks are one of the more solidly built teams. They have to work on their chemistry but they should be able to get off to a good start just based on Max Effort. That's the reason for building a team that is full of hard working players rather than just skill guys. Unlike last year where we lost so many close games due to not being able to defend and rebound I suspect this team will be much better in those areas. That should give this team a better chance to win games with their defense and effort.

We still have to see what this team looks like in Training Camp and Pre Season in order to really get a good feel for what they can do. The real issue is going to be the mental approach of Melo and his health. If he's fully engaged and healthy this team should be highly competitive. Another wild card is just what we will get from KP, Jerian and the other young players. There's no way to really anticipate what their input will be. So things could fluctuate wildly based on how they manage the season.

This is spot on. Melo's health and the contributions from the young players will obviously be the big question marks.

I like our odds, Grant plays D, afflalo plays D, melo plays D every full moon, and ROLO's rim protection will allow for guys to cheat and be over aggressive at times

And from what we've seen so far, then again this is not the final team, WE ARE NOT LIVING AND DIEING by the 3
Grant gets to the line, porzingis gets to the line. melo will get his in ISO-MELO. I like the makeup of this team
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7/14/2015  12:08 PM
NYY1NYK2 wrote:
SwishAndDish13 wrote:
nixluva wrote:In terms of team construction the Knicks are one of the more solidly built teams. They have to work on their chemistry but they should be able to get off to a good start just based on Max Effort. That's the reason for building a team that is full of hard working players rather than just skill guys. Unlike last year where we lost so many close games due to not being able to defend and rebound I suspect this team will be much better in those areas. That should give this team a better chance to win games with their defense and effort.

We still have to see what this team looks like in Training Camp and Pre Season in order to really get a good feel for what they can do. The real issue is going to be the mental approach of Melo and his health. If he's fully engaged and healthy this team should be highly competitive. Another wild card is just what we will get from KP, Jerian and the other young players. There's no way to really anticipate what their input will be. So things could fluctuate wildly based on how they manage the season.

This is spot on. Melo's health and the contributions from the young players will obviously be the big question marks.

I like our odds, Grant plays D, afflalo plays D, melo plays D every full moon, and ROLO's rim protection will allow for guys to cheat and be over aggressive at times

And from what we've seen so far, then again this is not the final team, WE ARE NOT LIVING AND DIEING by the 3
Grant gets to the line, porzingis gets to the line. melo will get his in ISO-MELO. I like the makeup of this team

Absolutely! This will be a vastly improved defensive team. I am interested to see how they mesh as a team. Team defense has been a foreign concept for all players over the past few years (the roster being a revolving door certainly didn't help that).

Reliance on the 3 is ironic considering they had so many poor shooters. At a minimum, I would actually expect more of those shots to be made this year than in the last couple of seasons.
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7/14/2015  12:13 PM
NYY1NYK2 wrote:1. Grant becomes a starter at some point (AVG 12pts 8 ast)
2. Porzingis slowly gets worked in (AVG 14pts 6Rebs)
3. the knicks go 42-40 (7th Seed)
4. Melo AVG'S 25-26PPG
5. Afflalo becomes our 2nd leading scorer at 17PPG

that would be a best case scenario in a lot of ways. but it's mostly realistic.

slightly revised:

1) Grant proves himself as a rotation player and Knicks can depend on him starting someday
2) Porzingis slowly gets worked in, hopefully stays healthy - stats will probably be more like 10ppg 4rpg for this year, which is fine
3) Knicks win 35-40 games, maybe in the mix for 7/8 seed as season winds down
4) The big question for me is does Melo buy in this season or does he start the process of getting traded out of town. If he's healthy, I hope he embraces the Triangle and scores more like 24ppg and passes a lot.
5) I think Afflalo will be around 15-17ppg, definitely our best bet for 2nd leading scorer.

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7/14/2015  12:29 PM
1. Melo 24-25 ppg and plays 70-72 healthy games.
2. Porzingis averages 10-12 ppg and 4 rpg in 24 mpg and finishes year as a starter.
3. Grant averages 8-10 ppg and 4-5 asts per and looks like a future high-quality starter.
4. Afflalo regains Orlando-level play and averages 17 ppg, and is a solid #2 option.
5. Lopez anchors defense and puts up 10 ppg and 8 rebs per game.
6. DWill has his best season, averaging 12 and 4 as a part-time starting 4 and backup 3.
7. Knicks get 42 wins and squeeze into playoffs.
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7/14/2015  12:40 PM
NYY1NYK2 wrote:1. Grant becomes a starter at some point (AVG 12pts 8 ast)
2. Porzingis slowly gets worked in (AVG 14pts 6Rebs)
3. the knicks go 42-40 (7th Seed)
4. Melo AVG'S 25-26PPG
5. Afflalo becomes our 2nd leading scorer at 17PPG

Predicts : Grant 10-5, Zinger 12-4, Melo 25, Knicks 35-47 fall a few games shy , Affalo 14ppg. Progress
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7/14/2015  12:52 PM
I'd focus on point differential - we need to narrow the gap & that is one of the greatest predictors of record.

I'd like to see the trend of being down 10 & 20 regularly end. We started just about every game down 10 before the game was 5 minutes old.

I'd like to see far fewer 40 pt quarters allowed.

Also, end the trend of allowing career nights for scrubs.

Defend the 3pt line better.

Improve our shot selection. Enough with the long range 2. That % has to go down, and I don't care what the basketball gods think - either get to the paint or step back and add a point.

I think these are realistic expectations.
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7/14/2015  12:59 PM
I'd add in terms of realistic expectations - a return to the Knicks of Don Chaney. A team with a lot of gritty, somewhat talent challenged players and one offensive star Allan Houston=Melo.

Maybe 37 wins. Lots of close games.
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7/14/2015  1:34 PM
A LOT of what was wrong last year has been fixed. We started the year relying on Larkin, JR, THJ and Shump. Those guys failed miserably and had health issues. To put it in a nutshell we've made some serious changes to more reliable players which should have a massive impact. Dalembert, Jason and Cole to start last year was also a problem. We've upgraded that situation as well. That 1st 20 games was a disaster and the players most responsible for that horrendous start won't be here. That's the biggest reason for optimism about what this team could do this year.

They don't even have to be amazing to start. Just being a .500 team would be a major step up from last year. Contrary to popular belief it's not that hard to play .500 ball if you build a team the right way. Phil built this team on Defense, Rebounding, Effort and Unselfishness. That's the kind of roster that can will it's way to a winning record.

The players Phil has brought in play with a toughness we lacked. Just looking at our Summer League team you can see that mentality.
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NYY1NYK2 wrote:
mreinman wrote:wow! that would be the jackpot as far as expectations.

What seems like a Reach?
12-8 for grant playing 25-30 mins, very doable
13-5 for porzingis, he gets to the line ALOT
melo will be melo, even if he takes 100 shots, he will get his (selfish bastard)
Not sure if you've noticed but grant get everyone involved before he starts scoring... dont see why afflalo cant get 16-17 as his backcourt running mate

1. Chris Paul, LAC 10.2
2. John Wall, WSH 10.0
3. Ty Lawson, DEN 9.6
4. Russell Westbrook, OKC 8.6
5. Rajon Rondo, BOS/DAL 7.9

Five guys in the whole league average 8 assists. Only one at 29.7 minutes did it in under 30 minutes. Those numbers are a lot to ask, I'd love to see it but don't expect it.
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OldFan wrote:
NYY1NYK2 wrote:
mreinman wrote:wow! that would be the jackpot as far as expectations.

What seems like a Reach?
12-8 for grant playing 25-30 mins, very doable
13-5 for porzingis, he gets to the line ALOT
melo will be melo, even if he takes 100 shots, he will get his (selfish bastard)
Not sure if you've noticed but grant get everyone involved before he starts scoring... dont see why afflalo cant get 16-17 as his backcourt running mate

1. Chris Paul, LAC 10.2
2. John Wall, WSH 10.0
3. Ty Lawson, DEN 9.6
4. Russell Westbrook, OKC 8.6
5. Rajon Rondo, BOS/DAL 7.9

Five guys in the whole league average 8 assists. Only one at 29.7 minutes did it in under 30 minutes. Those numbers are a lot to ask, I'd love to see it but don't expect it.

Yeah. In NBA history, only 7 rookies have ever averaged 12 and 8. Even ignoring scoring, only 12 rookies have ever averaged at least 8 assists/game. Also, the most he ever averaged in college was 6.7/game.

I expect us to start out on pace to have a worse season than we did two years ago when we finished 37-45.

Porzingis to average something like 7 and 3.

Grant to average something like 8 and 3.

If we start out the season as bad as I think we will, we'll start hearing reports/rumors about Melo being unhappy with the direction of the team.

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7/14/2015  3:12 PM
VCoug wrote:
OldFan wrote:
NYY1NYK2 wrote:
mreinman wrote:wow! that would be the jackpot as far as expectations.

What seems like a Reach?
12-8 for grant playing 25-30 mins, very doable
13-5 for porzingis, he gets to the line ALOT
melo will be melo, even if he takes 100 shots, he will get his (selfish bastard)
Not sure if you've noticed but grant get everyone involved before he starts scoring... dont see why afflalo cant get 16-17 as his backcourt running mate

1. Chris Paul, LAC 10.2
2. John Wall, WSH 10.0
3. Ty Lawson, DEN 9.6
4. Russell Westbrook, OKC 8.6
5. Rajon Rondo, BOS/DAL 7.9

Five guys in the whole league average 8 assists. Only one at 29.7 minutes did it in under 30 minutes. Those numbers are a lot to ask, I'd love to see it but don't expect it.

Yeah. In NBA history, only 7 rookies have ever averaged 12 and 8. Even ignoring scoring, only 12 rookies have ever averaged at least 8 assists/game. Also, the most he ever averaged in college was 6.7/game.

I expect us to start out on pace to have a worse season than we did two years ago when we finished 37-45.

Porzingis to average something like 7 and 3.

Grant to average something like 8 and 3.

If we start out the season as bad as I think we will, we'll start hearing reports/rumors about Melo being unhappy with the direction of the team.


Yeah, I agree with this. I'll wait til the metrics approaches make projections but I think they're going to have us at around 28 or 29 wins.
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