dwiley20 wrote:http://nypost.com/2015/07/14/alexey-shved-to-knicks-up-your-offer-or-im-back-to-europe/..lets give that to Javele mcgee or Boozer

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dwiley20 wrote:http://nypost.com/2015/07/14/alexey-shved-to-knicks-up-your-offer-or-im-back-to-europe/..lets give that to Javele mcgee or Boozer

NYY1NYK2 wrote:hindsight is 20/20 but resigning Amundson, lance thomas and signing Derrick williams was a waste of three roster spots
and VALUABLE MONEY
Derrick wiiliams @ 5Mil couldve had Gerald Green @ league Minimum
LAnce Thomas @ 1.4Mil Couldve had Ndour @ league minimim
Lou Amundson @ 1.4Mil couldve signed Javale mcgee at 2.8 Mil
And given Shved his 2.8 or close to it, because we wouldnt of locked up 5 mil on derrick william

I wouldn't be so quick to criticize Phil's taking a shot on DWill. It could work out great for this team if he takes to his role here. I don't know what will happen with Shved, but that's why they've worked out some other options. If Shved plays hardball Phil has other options who could be very good. I hope they can work something out, but in the end I don't think we will be out of options if he doesn't come back. He should really consider taking a short deal and proving once again that he's a great fit here and getting more money when the cap goes up.

TheloniusMonk wrote:Interestingly enough, 29 other teams also are unwilling to pay him more than the Knicks. Funny, his footage is available to all NBA GMs. Ultimatums rarely work in situations like this. He probably won't be playing in the NBA next season. Being that he is in his late 20's and in his prime it might be smart to not play hard ball. Decent player, but what kind of GM would Jackson be if he allows a journeyman to twist him arm publicly and cave in? No GM wants to be publicly given an ultimatum. Especially not by a player who has had no impact on the NBA. If it's about winning now, perhaps he should take the identical offer the Knicks offered but with a winner. Perhaps no winning team has reached out to him at all. If it's about the money, Euro ball is always available. If not, I'm sure the Knicks offer stands.

YupYup...

Jayson Smith and Cole both benefitted from playing some decent ball last year- they got offers from other teams.

Shved played well, yet, as you say, he does not seem to have gotten any significant offers from anyone in the NBA.

Maybe Phil and Fisher are waiting to see how Grant progresses in SL before turning to Shved. They are also auditioning other large guards at the same time. Maybe they want to see if anyone decent is released because of cap issues, or perhaps they have their eyes on some other unsigned SL player we have not yet heard about.

Shved is using the only leverage he seems to have at this point-the Euro league, and maybe he and his agent realize that the better Grant looks in SL, the less chance there is for him to get the room exception.

Contract poker...got to love it.

WaltLongmire wrote:

TheloniusMonk wrote:Interestingly enough, 29 other teams also are unwilling to pay him more than the Knicks. Funny, his footage is available to all NBA GMs. Ultimatums rarely work in situations like this. He probably won't be playing in the NBA next season. Being that he is in his late 20's and in his prime it might be smart to not play hard ball. Decent player, but what kind of GM would Jackson be if he allows a journeyman to twist him arm publicly and cave in? No GM wants to be publicly given an ultimatum. Especially not by a player who has had no impact on the NBA. If it's about winning now, perhaps he should take the identical offer the Knicks offered but with a winner. Perhaps no winning team has reached out to him at all. If it's about the money, Euro ball is always available. If not, I'm sure the Knicks offer stands.

YupYup...

Jayson Smith and Cole both benefitted from playing some decent ball last year- they got offers from other teams.

Shved played well, yet, as you say, he does not seem to have gotten any significant offers from anyone in the NBA.

Maybe Phil and Fisher are waiting to see how Grant progresses in SL before turning to Shved. They are also auditioning other large guards at the same time. Maybe they want to see if anyone decent is released because of cap issues, or perhaps they have their eyes on some other unsigned SL player we have not yet heard about.

Shved is using the only leverage he seems to have at this point-the Euro league, and maybe he and his agent realize that the better Grant looks in SL, the less chance there is for him to get the room exception.

Contract poker...got to love it.

Probably because teams see that he is a 30-something % shooter in the other two and a half seasons he played in the NBA and they smartly aren't willing to pony up a multi million dollar contract for the 17 games where he played decently as a Knick. By the way, during his Knicks stint he still failed to shoot much more than league average efficiency while also playing piss poor, atrocious defense.

At 2.8 million he is an easy PASS. No thanks I hope Phil is smart enough to let him walk. He should get not a penny more than the vet min. That's his worth.

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

NYY1NYK2 wrote:hindsight is 20/20 but resigning Amundson, lance thomas and signing Derrick williams was a waste of three roster spots
and VALUABLE MONEY
Derrick wiiliams @ 5Mil couldve had Gerald Green @ league Minimum
LAnce Thomas @ 1.4Mil Couldve had Ndour @ league minimim
Lou Amundson @ 1.4Mil couldve signed Javale mcgee at 2.8 Mil
And given Shved his 2.8 or close to it, because we wouldnt of locked up 5 mil on derrick william

I wouldn't be so quick to criticize Phil's taking a shot on DWill. It could work out great for this team if he takes to his role here. I don't know what will happen with Shved, but that's why they've worked out some other options. If Shved plays hardball Phil has other options who could be very good. I hope they can work something out, but in the end I don't think we will be out of options if he doesn't come back. He should really consider taking a short deal and proving once again that he's a great fit here and getting more money when the cap goes up.

some objectivity please!

what moves do you like and which ones do you not like?

I haven't said every move was a slam dunk success and I love them. DWIll is a risk, but there is the possibility it works out. I didn't say that DWIll was a LOCK to be a success. All I said was that I wouldn't be so quick to assume that it won't be a good move for this team. That's a long way from being enthusiastic about the move.

I was one of the few supporters of bringing in Shved! That said Phil has his value he has placed on players and tho we aren't privy to that list it's his right to make that decision even if we may not agree. I'm sure he'd like Shved back but also there are other Combo Guards who could possibly do the same kind of things in the same role. That means that Shved's value is lower due to the availability of similar players for less than he may want to be paid.

WaltLongmire wrote:

TheloniusMonk wrote:Interestingly enough, 29 other teams also are unwilling to pay him more than the Knicks. Funny, his footage is available to all NBA GMs. Ultimatums rarely work in situations like this. He probably won't be playing in the NBA next season. Being that he is in his late 20's and in his prime it might be smart to not play hard ball. Decent player, but what kind of GM would Jackson be if he allows a journeyman to twist him arm publicly and cave in? No GM wants to be publicly given an ultimatum. Especially not by a player who has had no impact on the NBA. If it's about winning now, perhaps he should take the identical offer the Knicks offered but with a winner. Perhaps no winning team has reached out to him at all. If it's about the money, Euro ball is always available. If not, I'm sure the Knicks offer stands.

YupYup...

Jayson Smith and Cole both benefitted from playing some decent ball last year- they got offers from other teams.

Shved played well, yet, as you say, he does not seem to have gotten any significant offers from anyone in the NBA.

Maybe Phil and Fisher are waiting to see how Grant progresses in SL before turning to Shved. They are also auditioning other large guards at the same time. Maybe they want to see if anyone decent is released because of cap issues, or perhaps they have their eyes on some other unsigned SL player we have not yet heard about.

Shved is using the only leverage he seems to have at this point-the Euro league, and maybe he and his agent realize that the better Grant looks in SL, the less chance there is for him to get the room exception.

Contract poker...got to love it.

S.Mills during the game last night said that they're saving the room exception to see if someone slips through the cracks. I think Shved is worth the shot of giving him the 2.8 and see what he can do coming off the bench with better players around him. Phil said last night that they're looking for a backup center so maybe the 2.8 is gonna be used there. I think Phil has his eyes on a couple players that he'd rather use the 2.8 on over Shved but those players are probably holding out as long as they can trying to get the best offer possible so maybe once those players come off the board then maybe Shved will get it offered to him if he wants to wait around for that. This is obviously just my opinion but seems pretty reasonable to me. I've heard the Knicks are talking to players like C.Boozer and K.Seraphin which I wouldn't mind either so hopefully Shved will wait another week or two to see what Phil does with it cause i'd like him back and really think what he brings to the team fits the triangle really well.

fishmike wrote:We paid Afflalo, so he's logging 30mpg + at SG and some SF in small line ups.

After that you have Jose, Galloway, Grant, Ledo at guard.

So do you just give Shved the $2.8 and let the guards fight for the remaining minutes? Does he have a role here? Keep in mind he was a very bad NBA player before 15 great games with the Knicks.

I liked what I saw from him, very limited sample size. Not sure what the front office thought process is on this guy

exactly, and he doesn't have a any teams really requesting his service, for the price he's asking