tj23 wrote:Lyles was never a good rebounder/defender. When he guarded 3's he was too slow, got pushed around by bigs and would nod off all the time.

2/10 from the field...0/3 from the 3...4/11 from the FT line...

Is he really this bad of a shooter??

StarksEwing1 wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

tj23 wrote:Lyles was never a good rebounder/defender. When he guarded 3's he was too slow, got pushed around by bigs and would nod off all the time.

2/10 from the field...0/3 from the 3...4/11 from the FT line...

Is he really this bad of a shooter??

just one game. Im sure nerves are a factor. Plus its just summer league. Im not ready to claim anything on any of the top draft picks until we get into the season

voice of reason

yellowboy90 wrote:Towns is the only player I see getting a constant double team from game to game

OK4 was being doubled and triple teamed at times..

he's nba size, athletic,nice touch, can rebound when he wants. But to pick him first when he only averaged 11 a game and looked disinterested and lackadaisical at times ..

Derrick Coleman had all the ability just not the desire to be the star he could have been . I worry that towns might become the new age DC

WaltLongmire wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

tj23 wrote:Lyles was never a good rebounder/defender. When he guarded 3's he was too slow, got pushed around by bigs and would nod off all the time.

2/10 from the field...0/3 from the 3...4/11 from the FT line...

Is he really this bad of a shooter??

just one game. Im sure nerves are a factor. Plus its just summer league. Im not ready to claim anything on any of the top draft picks until we get into the season

voice of reason

i try. i wasnt a fan of lyles anyway but the kid just started so any kind of judgment is premature.

No premature judgement...completely understand, but Lyles seemed to have had a cult following as the draft moved along.
The FT shooting is most problematic, but in 2 games he is 5/19 from the field and 8/17 from the FT line.

My rule of thumb for watching rookies, especially as early as SL, is to make special note of the good things they do, especially if they're done the right way, and try to take a more balanced look at the their weaknesses, and determine whether they are due to nerves, being out of shape, lack of ease in a new system, etc., and not because of some significant mechanical or BB IQ issue. You also look at their past history- If a guy who is known for a great jumper is not hitting shots in SL, or a guy known for his passing is not using the judgement he showed in college, I don't get worried.

I would be more worried about players with known flaws prior to the draft who continue to show them in SL, or a guy like Lyles, who was under the radar in many ways, getting all the hype he got before the draft, without actually having proved himself as a bit time player.

Briggs' thread is about his belief that the Kentucky bigs were part of an amazing system that covered up many of their flaws and highlighted their strengths, and that maybe they are not as good as players who were the main focus of opposing defenses whenever they played a college game.

But premature judgement can go both ways...StarksEwing1...it took you one single SL game to declare: Winslow was definetly a steal falling to 10. Maybe he will be, but he has also shown some significant flaws as a player, especially as a shooter, and then you see this in the SL box score for yesterday-DND - GENERAL SORENESS, and you realize that in the past 3 games he's played about 7 minutes of ball, and in the entire SL he's maybe hit about 1 jumper. For me, he has not exceeded expectations, and is actually showing some significant flaws in his game that will be exploited if he doesn't make adjustments.

Kaminsky, Turner, and Johnson might be seen as the "steals" of the draft, at least if you look at the results so far, and maybe Portis will be in that category, but who knows.