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mreinman
Posts: 37827 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/14/2010 Member: #3189 |
7/7/2015 8:45 PM
thanks ... much appreciate.
The play that made me love him going into the draft was @ 7:20. Running off screens like a guard to hit a corner three. Who can do that at his size/length? so here is what phil is thinking ....
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Jmpasq
Posts: 25243 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 4/10/2012 Member: #4182 |
7/7/2015 8:56 PM
mreinman wrote:thanks ... much appreciate. Little bit worried about his defensive positioning, he doesn't rebound all that well. On the plus side, he does show the ability to disrupt shots with his length Check out My NFL Draft Prospect Videos at Youtube User Pages Jmpasq,JPdraftjedi,Jmpasqdraftjedi. www.Draftbreakdown.com
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Jmpasq
Posts: 25243 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 4/10/2012 Member: #4182 |
7/7/2015 8:58 PM
I think I'm going to do Guillermo Hernangomez's 29 and 13 game next
Check out My NFL Draft Prospect Videos at Youtube User Pages Jmpasq,JPdraftjedi,Jmpasqdraftjedi. www.Draftbreakdown.com
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LivingLegend
Posts: 25763 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 8/13/2007 Member: #1645 |
7/7/2015 9:28 PM
Very nice job - definitely some low spots there as he was getting thrown around like a rag doll on occasion but oh that stroke and that length.
He actually looked fatigued in that game - I've watched other full length games where I didn't see much of that at all - looked like refs were just letting them crash. |
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RedmenBaller
Posts: 20116 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/27/2015 Member: #6084 |
7/7/2015 9:35 PM
Jmpasq wrote:Cut this video up of Porzingis, going to some more during the summer league and one of Guillermo Hernangomez. Good job thanks. Look like Bragnani lite. Lol |
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mreinman
Posts: 37827 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/14/2010 Member: #3189 |
7/7/2015 9:50 PM
LivingLegend wrote:Very nice job - definitely some low spots there as he was getting thrown around like a rag doll on occasion but oh that stroke and that length. rag doll ... I was trying to count how many times he hit the floor in that game and I gave up. so here is what phil is thinking ....
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
7/7/2015 9:57 PM
I see a kid that just needs better coaching. He needs to remember that he's tall and doesn't have to jump to block shots all the time and neither does he have to commit fouls when he can just be tall and get his hands up and in view of a shooter. He'll learn to calm down and time shots better. Love his agility and quickness at his size. He moves a lot better than he should at that size. Let's remember that we're looking at a 7'3" man here!!! No one that size moves like that except WCS.
Offensively he's gonna be a BEAST once he learns this system and how to post up. This system will get him closer to the basket more often since we don't use those high screens. KP will be within 2 steps of the basket, 15' and in most of the time and sometimes he'll get out to the 3pt line, but not nearly as much as they have him playing. with the right coaching this kid can be great IMO. The raw talent is there to be as good as he wants to be. Being around the basket more will really pump up his scoring and FT attempts. IT's not so much posting up as just moving and getting the ball in prime scoring positions. This is likely to be the best instruction he's every had. That team's offense looked confused at times. He needs a more defined role that gets him more efficient shots and he needs a go to move or 2. It's gonna be fun watching him develop. |
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Jmpasq
Posts: 25243 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 4/10/2012 Member: #4182 |
7/7/2015 11:48 PM
mreinman wrote:LivingLegend wrote:Very nice job - definitely some low spots there as he was getting thrown around like a rag doll on occasion but oh that stroke and that length. I noticed it too, and thats not all the times it happened Check out My NFL Draft Prospect Videos at Youtube User Pages Jmpasq,JPdraftjedi,Jmpasqdraftjedi. www.Draftbreakdown.com
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Sangfroid
Posts: 24681 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/7/2009 Member: #2784 |
7/8/2015 1:06 AM
LivingLegend wrote:Very nice job - definitely some low spots there as he was getting thrown around like a rag doll on occasion but oh that stroke and that length. It definitely had ragdoll quality at times. Several times, it looked like he was tackled and shoved on purpose. He looks like he may be a few years away from being a physical presence, although his height will make him a difficult person to shoot over. Loved his offensive movement and outside accuracy. He may be a project, but he's a good project. Can't wait to see him in the SL. "We are playing a game. We are playing at not playing a game..."
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tj23
Posts: 21851 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 4/20/2010 Member: #3119 |
7/8/2015 1:25 AM
The comparisons to Bargs are real lol. Thanks for the footage though. Are you a scout or is this just a hobby? Those NFL draft videos are amazing man.
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technomaster
Posts: 23349 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/30/2003 Member: #426 USA |
7/8/2015 1:47 AM
The amazing thing is that when defenders rushed out at him beyond the 3pt line, his inclination was to fake and drive to the basket like a wing. I suspect nba defenders would eat him up by planting themselves for the charge.
He's extremely quick for his size and has some moves. You get the sense that his coaches were fine letting him be a roaming defender, causing discord and mayhem with his quickness and length. (Maybe sort of like Anthony Davis) In the nba, I suspect the Knicks will corral his game and try to simplify it, especially early on. “That was two, two from the heart.” - John Starks
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Finestrg
Posts: 27296 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/1/2006 Member: #1069 |
7/8/2015 8:40 AM LAST EDITED: 7/8/2015 6:56 PM
Thanks for posting the video. Really looking forward to seeing him play and figuring out where on the floor he'll be the most successful. Obviously he's your classic stretch big man right now and he shows promise as a shot-blocker with that freakish size/length along with the good foot speed. Those appear to be the two big strengths. There are others for sure--puts it on the floor extremely well for a man that size, etc..Questions: will he eventually be able to play down low on offense too? Will he get stronger and be able to absorb contact better (got knocked to the floor a little too easily setting that pick)? Will he rebound enough (on that play he attempted that tap that didn't go, I'd like to see him rip that ball down with two hands and go back up strong)? Will turnovers be an issue? Will he develop enough of an edge/killer instinct? Very promising player though--already 7'3" 233 lbs. Gonna have to be patient with him a little bit but man, I hope we got this right and he develops into a monster.
You know who looked fairly impressive in that clip--the burly post player on the white team. #44, matched up with Hernangomez throughout the clip. That was some nice footwork he was showing. Who is he? Speaking of Willy, he looks like a good player. Nice pickup right there. Look forward to seeing him next year...Side note: I've always liked Derrick Byars as a player. I remember him well at Vandy and I thought he looked good early on in the NBA. Ashame some of these guys can't stick in the NBA. Byars was always talented enough--I remember talking about acquiring him several times a few years back. Good player that's been around for awhile--I'd trust what he has to say about Porzingis (read that Byars paid KP quite a few compliments recently, both game and maturity-wise). |
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fishmike
Posts: 53867 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
7/8/2015 9:21 AM
technomaster wrote:The amazing thing is that when defenders rushed out at him beyond the 3pt line, his inclination was to fake and drive to the basket like a wing. I suspect nba defenders would eat him up by planting themselves for the charge.well... if a defender could rush at you and THEN plant for a charge they would be spiderman. Its a good reaction especially if he's got a good pull up jumper off the dribble. He will draw a lot of contact with those types of moves. His BB IQ looks solid, but his execution stinks. He's good at looking for the open man, but not always finding him.. things like that. He sets a screen like a lamp post, there are a lot of things to knock on his game, but he's 19 playing with pros. Mostly I just see a guy who needs reps. Love the athleticism and length. He needs to learn better footwork on defense, especially against smalls.. he tends to back off hoping to rely on his length and thats a bad habit, NBA guards see a big come out to defend them and the minute the take a step back that guard is either gone or hitting a jumper. Nice vid... thanks for posting "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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CrushAlot
Posts: 59764 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/25/2003 Member: #452 USA |
7/8/2015 9:30 AM
Porzingis: In the hallways of the Knicks’ Tarrytown practice facility, staff members are quietly saluting themselves for nabbing the draft’s most talented offensive player. The Knicks are listing Porzingis at 7-foot-3 — that’s what he measured at their training facility with shoes, impressing Jackson. In Europe, where players are measured without shoes, Porzingis was listed at 7-foot-1.http://nypost.com/2015/07/07/knicks-summer-roster-revealed-with-hopeful-porzingis/ I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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Swishfm3
Posts: 23312 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 3/28/2003 Member: #392 |
7/8/2015 9:44 AM
I don't know what the plans are for him this coming season but I think this kid will kill it at the SF position.
He will pose the same match up problems that Oklahoma gives opponents with K.Durant. A 7 footer being guarded by 6'6ft/6'8ft players. |
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technomaster
Posts: 23349 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/30/2003 Member: #426 USA |
7/8/2015 9:54 AM LAST EDITED: 7/8/2015 11:06 AM
fishmike wrote:technomaster wrote:The amazing thing is that when defenders rushed out at him beyond the 3pt line, his inclination was to fake and drive to the basket like a wing. I suspect nba defenders would eat him up by planting themselves for the charge.well... if a defender could rush at you and THEN plant for a charge they would be spiderman. Its a good reaction especially if he's got a good pull up jumper off the dribble. He will draw a lot of contact with those types of moves. I'm not suggesting that the defender closing out should also prepare for the charge. In the NBA if you get past the first guy you'd expect to run into another defender covering. KP is quick, but you don't really expect him to get all the way to the basket. But as you suggested, he could pull up for a jumper or find the open man on the rotation. Certainly has a lot of easy improvement via reps, better coaches, and better teammates. If he's going to guard guys on the perimeter like this, having Lopez should help him. “That was two, two from the heart.” - John Starks
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fishmike
Posts: 53867 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
7/8/2015 10:57 AM
technomaster wrote:yea I didnt want to sound like I was calling you out... I agree with what you said. Also Phil has been very outspoken about ramping up player development, and he's signed guys with upside so this remains to be seen, but I to and excited for the bold abovefishmike wrote:technomaster wrote:The amazing thing is that when defenders rushed out at him beyond the 3pt line, his inclination was to fake and drive to the basket like a wing. I suspect nba defenders would eat him up by planting themselves for the charge.well... if a defender could rush at you and THEN plant for a charge they would be spiderman. Its a good reaction especially if he's got a good pull up jumper off the dribble. He will draw a lot of contact with those types of moves. "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
7/8/2015 2:39 PM
The Knicks are going to have to work with KP on an actual role in the flow of the offense aside from just screens and 3's. I think they'll want him to have a nice mid range game in addition to posting up smaller players when they get switched on him. He's gotta refine his moves a bit. He looked like he didn't really know how he wanted to attack defenders at times. He'll have to learn how to slow it down just a bit and gather himself. The Triangle offense should help him to get the ball in better scoring situations. He'll learn better footwork. I expect that once he learns some of the basics he'll be abusing defenders with his size and skill.
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blkexec
Posts: 28347 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 9/3/2004 Member: #748 |
7/8/2015 3:17 PM
nixluva wrote:The Knicks are going to have to work with KP on an actual role in the flow of the offense aside from just screens and 3's. I think they'll want him to have a nice mid range game in addition to posting up smaller players when they get switched on him. He's gotta refine his moves a bit. He looked like he didn't really know how he wanted to attack defenders at times. He'll have to learn how to slow it down just a bit and gather himself. The Triangle offense should help him to get the ball in better scoring situations. He'll learn better footwork. I expect that once he learns some of the basics he'll be abusing defenders with his size and skill. The problem is people see that he's 7'3 and expect him to be this low post player. He should concentrate on his strengths right now, and work on his close to the basket weaknessed in the off season. Meanwhile, I see nothing wrong with a 7 foot dude coming off of screens like Reggie Miller. Image a PF trying to keep up with this dude, going around screens. With his height, he doesn't need much time to get his shot off. And if a defender is trailing, there's absolutely nothing they can do. In the off season, he can work on other things.....Stay with what you know. Born in Brooklyn, Raised in Queens, Lives in Maryland.
The future is bright, I'm a Knicks fan for life!
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