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BigSm00th
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7/11/2004  2:05 AM
Today during the SL game, the announcers interviewed Lenny Wilkens, who said the Knicks are still looking for an athletic big man who can run the floor well and be a shotblocker.

If that doens't sound like Stro Swift, I don't know what does. I'm not sure what other guys like that are available, I guess Mihm. Lenny sounded content with Sweetney, Nazr, and KT, but wanted to get one more guy up front.

I hope the Knicks pull of Cezary, Frank, Shandon, and Othella for Crawford and JYD/ERob. That opens up a few roster spots and Cezary stinks.
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BigSm00th
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7/11/2004  2:58 AM
After doing some research, other guys who are available and could come cheap are Keon Clark and, if desperate, Ruben Boumtje-Boumtje.

I'm sure either could be had very cheaply. Clark might be a bit of a sleeper, he's had a drug suspension and some injuries, but a few years ago he averaged over 2 blocks a game and just 2 years ago averaged 11 and 7 and more than a block. He'll turn 30 next April.

He could definitely be a fall-back to Swift, and might be a better option than Doleac or Fizer.
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7/11/2004  3:13 AM
Has C. Anderson been signed?

I've liked Swift since the start of the season; His per48 stats are near tops for PFs.
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7/11/2004  6:28 AM
Does the name "Dampier" ring a bell?
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7/11/2004  9:52 AM
He seemed to give luke-warm praise of Nazy. He didn't bring up Nazy until asked about him. In fact, he kept saying the team needed an athletic big man and the announcer had to "remind" Lenny that the team had Nazy.
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7/11/2004  10:04 AM
Mac Has C. Anderson been signed?
I believe he said he wants to stay in Denver and Denver said they wanted him back.
TheSage Does the name "Dampier" ring a bell?
I just don't think the Knicks have the assets to get him. When Adonal Foyle, his backup, signed for 5 years, $40 million, how are you going to get him for the MLE? And if you give up all those assets in the Crawford deal, how can you get him via sign and trade?

I think Keon Clark and Stro Swift are a lot more accurate.
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7/11/2004  12:01 PM
Also, Swift is the type of player the Knicks do not have. He's better in the open court, something Marbury wants to improve for the team. The Knicks looked pretty good out there when they still had Doleac and KVH, and Marbury was just getting to guys off screens for the mid-range jumpers. The Knicks looked really sharp when they had that going, but Marbury hated it. That's why Zeke got TT and Nazr, but it turns out Nazr isn't that good in the open court either.

Still, no way that guy takes the MLE. Apparently, if no one offers Swift more than that, West will keep him. So, unless we have anyone worth trading for Swift after the Crawford deal, for a sign-and-trade, we aren't getting Swift.
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7/11/2004  1:24 PM
You really think West is going to give $40 mil to a bench player getting 18 mpg? Especially after he just used a lot of money on Brian Cardinal? I think the Knicks can get him for the MLE.
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7/11/2004  1:28 PM
IF Etan Thomas settled for the MLE Swift there's a chance Swift would too. They are coming off similar years and have a similar profile.
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7/11/2004  3:56 PM
That's the rumor out of Memphis. West is willing to offer Swift the MLE to stay if that's all the other teams are offering. Whether it's true or not, we'll see, and it may be a rumor from before the Cardinal deal, but if it's true, the only way we get Swift is by sign-and-trade.
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7/11/2004  4:31 PM
You really think West is going to give $40 mil to a bench player getting 18 mpg? Especially after he just used a lot of money on Brian Cardinal? I think the Knicks can get him for the MLE.

I really dont think we should offer swift the MIDLEVEL exception, they were willinging give 40min for a 18min guy, Cardinal. And I believe they would do the same their own 20min guy, Swift. This would make sense if Memphis were piling contracts to trade for better players.
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7/11/2004  9:12 PM
I'd rather not sign any more 6'9"-6'10" centers, we already have decent ones in K.Thomas and N.Mohammed. I don't think anyone else out there would offer a SIGNIFICANT improvement. I'd rather save the money and perhaps sign Doleac for cheap.

I'd rather do some more homework on some of these rookies, Haywood, Dalembert, Boumtje, Perkins and perhaps get one of these guys for cheap.

Like we have been seeing all these fee agent, so called centers are way overvalued. I say take a risk on some unknown.

Let our team to be develop some more chemistry, once the backcourt develops its easy to ease in anyone into the frontcourt.
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7/11/2004  9:31 PM
I don't obsess over height. Stro Swift is more valuable than ten Doleacs.
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7/11/2004  10:36 PM
I'd rather do some more homework on some of these rookies, Haywood, Dalembert, Boumtje, Perkins and perhaps get one of these guys for cheap.

haywood is way better than anything we have now. he would be the perfect rebounder, shot blocker we need. he is big and he plays in the paint. dalembert we might have had a chance at last year, but i think philly is holding onto him. another guy i really like is dan gadzuric. again , very good on the boards and blocking shots. also i have a bball magazine that says he may be the fastest big man in the game (very athletic).

swift will give you highlite real stuff, but i would prefer a meat and potatoes kind of guy, a ben wallace kind of guy.

either haywood or gadz as our starting centre would make me soooo happy.

as a matter of fact if they were given the minutes...........

haywood or gadz > dampier..............and way cheaper.
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7/12/2004  12:00 PM
athletic bigs who can block shots that are available:

- Swift - best option - maybe attainable for the MLE

- C. Anderson - good alternate plan to Swift - might re-sign w/DEN though

- Keon Clark - injury issues are a concern

- Dan Gadzuric - low cost alternate option

Dampier would cost an arm & a leg & command a huge contract at this point, & he's more of a half court type player rather than a guy who can get up & down the court & flourish in an uptempo style game, which i assume Isiah is trying to build here w/guys like Crawford & Ariza...

if Isiah can get Ilgauskas in a sign & trade for KT & filler like is being rumored right now, i would love to sign Swift w/the MLE, who would be a great X-factor type off the bench for this team a-la Marcus Camby in '99.

C - Ilgauskas / Nazr or Vin Baker
PF - Sweetney / Swift / JYD
SF - Thomas / Penny / DerMarr or Ariza
SG - Houston / Crawford
PG - Marbury / Frank or Moochie

i wouldn't mind that roster 1 bit.
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7/12/2004  12:20 PM
Is Big Z that much of a better open court player than Dampier? I doubt it. He's got some great offensive skills, and he will grab some rebounds (But definitely not a very good rebounder for his height). Yet, Dampier is a much better rebounder and defensive player, and what this team needs is a low post defender. That's what Dampier is. I hope Isiah Thomas realizes that. I am not so sure if Stromile Swift can be that defensive intimidator that the Knicks need. He doesn't seem to be very bright, and if he has a similar season to what he had last year, then I have a feeling he's not going to amount to very much.

Chris Anderson just might be the better gamble.
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7/12/2004  12:30 PM
that's not the point...Z has an expiring contract...that is a HUGE chip to have come the trade deadline, especially for a guy like Z who can step into most NBA team's lineups & become their starting C...he'd have big value to teams like the Mavs, Blazers, etc. who will be looking for that final piece to make a title run, & also to teams like the Clippers, etc., who might be looking to dump big contracts of good players for cap relief sometime down the road.
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7/12/2004  12:40 PM
I don't think Big and open court game should really collide in the same sentence too much.....IMHO, the type of centers we need are the ones who do a little more banging...I think that getting Z, even though he is not necessarily that type of center (at 7-3, and he does have skills, he can grab 6 rebounds per game by accident) I think that the positives of getting Z outweight the positives of Dampier...

Z has shown he is a constant force as long as he is healthy, as I said before Dampier only put up numbers when he had something to gain (contract years). Z has shown he can be healthy but his chronic foot problem is a concern. Dampier, is a little less injury prone, but like I said he is not as solid. I would've taken Foyle over Dampier and been happy. If we had a chance to get Z and took Foyle, I would've been pi$$ed...
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7/12/2004  12:42 PM
i don't think we'll trade for Z just to move him at the deadline. in fact, i think we can be in the eastern hunt with Z. i just think ratliff is a better fit so i'd rather have him but Z is a HUGE improvement over what we have now and we could be pushing the 50 win plateau, especially if h20 is healthy.
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7/12/2004  12:45 PM
you never know...it gives you options though w/his expiring deal...you could trade him to a team looking to dump a big contract of a star player at the trade deadline...if 1 comes available that peaks Isiah's interest, he'd make the trade imho.

that's why getting Z makes more sense, regardless if you're going to keep him or trade him...at least you have a choice...signing & trading for Damps just guarantees you that 1 option, & if it doesn't work, then you're pretty much screwed w/his huge contract that would be untradeable.
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