tj23 wrote:I'm guessing Justise Winslow right now. Phil WAS talking about taking a big but now he has been talking about switching it up. I personally want Mudiay but I am predicting Winslow.

Id be very surprised. He talked about a mature game. Im not sure Winslow even knows what he is. He played 4 in college and is not a great shooter at 6-5. I think he is a good ballhandler but nothing special and well have to wait and see if he can take guys off the dribble. Hes not a polished player. We just traded away a guard who wasnt the best shooter at5 6-5 220 Iman Shumpert.

WAKEUPKNICKS2015 wrote:briggs, the ultimate Knicks local drunk lmao. How are you so sure that a guy slotted to be picked outside the top 10 will be the Knicks pick at 4, along with another guy out the top 10 in Kaminsky. You change your mind more than a girl in forever 22 brah. Take a Xanax and try not to start more than 10 threads between now and Thursday about your "final" mock draft. We're going Mudiay or Porzingis...unless somehow okafor or Russell fall in our lap. Mudiay will be a star for the Knicks, as long as Jackson somehow has the balls to fire Fisher...who is afraid to stand up to melo. And we NEED a coach willing to stand up to melo, for our coach to gain respect.

I hate to break it to you--but Ive liked Kaminsky longer than anyone here and my original thoughts of months ago--of trading down to get Kaminsky and perhaps 2-3 extra picks. Ive also said that I think the "Knicks" like WCS and I believe that is their main target based on what I heard PJ say long ago.

Anyone who thinks we are drafting Mudiay is off. Not saying what he can cant do--but I feel confidant he wont be a Knick.

If it was my choice I think Id lean slightly towards Porzingis over Kaminsky. Im not a big of fan of WCS as I think the Knicks are but we need a C. Its one of those 3 with a huge lean towards Stein(what i think the Knicks will do) despite his mock average right now of 11+.

If Okafor or Russell happen to be there, he's gotta take either guy and I'd be ECSTATIC (esp. if it's Russell). 100%.

If it's Porzingis (I feel a strong 50% or better -- Phil was in attendance for the Vegas workout and it was reported we just brought him in for a private one too), I'll be very happy -- I agree, guys like this don't grow on trees. MAD TALL with impressive skills, liked what I've heard in interviews and the recent measurements are better than what we all thought even a week ago -- 7'2" 230. I can work with that. I think if Melo's healthy and we succeed in bringing in some other good frontcourt FA additions, we could incorporate Zinger at a decent pace, then more by the end of the season and in a year or two, he could be someone very special for us. There will be pressure, sure, but nowhere near the pressure to "be the man." Just come in, be ready to contribute and show continued improvement in the weight room and on the court and we'll all be OK...Also agree -- don't boo the pick but I fear people will. Kid will need to ignore that nonsense and stay strong. It's Melo who I'm more concerned about than the dopey fans who show up (again, present company excluded of course if any of you guys plan on attending) -- if Melo decides to take to Twitter after the selection and does anything other than embrace the pick and welcome Zinger (or whoever we take), I'll be annoyed as all get out!!! Don't trash the pick like you did with Shumpert when you really wanted Josh Selby, ya dope. Show leadership for a change, dammit!

I'll also be very happy if we decided to make a sensible trade (say 50% on this too, despite what Phil said recently about there being a 5% chance we move the pick--not sure I believe that), esp. if Towns, Okafor and Russell are all off the board (which I expect). I like Porzingis and would be OK with taking him but if we turned around and traded whoever we pick at 4 to PHX for 25-year-old Eric Bledsoe and a good player at 13, preferably a big man (namely Turner or Kaminsky) or repackaged pick 13 and assets to move up a couple of slots to get either of those two bigs, I'd be very happy with that as well. Bledsoe would be great here--he'd instantly become one of the top PGs in the East -- I like his game, his athleticism, his two-way skills, his contract is reasonable when you really consider his ability and where the state of the cap is going next year and like that he's still young. I'd be OK with this deal -- Bledsoe + Turner or Kaminsky may very well be > Porzingis. I'll say that with a straight face. Time will tell.

And of course, I'd be happy with a quality 2nd round pickup or two -- two guys I'd love to see us add: Joe Young and Pat Connaughton, two additions that would go a long way in strengthening our backcourt as a whole. Opportunistic SL invites based on the best of the leftovers after 60 will put a big smile on my face as well.

About the only thing I will question is Willie Cauley-Stein, esp. at 4. Here's my few concerns with Stein: (1) He's an attractive player for his size and defense, no doubt, but I look at him as a role player. At 4, I want either a crack at a star or value back in a sensible trade. Not really looking for a role player there. If for instance we went out and got a Jordan Bachynski (who's 7'2" 250 btw) and a Khem Birch for shot-blocking/additional size/rebounding, shored up the rebounding even further with guys like Monroe, Alexis Ajinca and/or Lavoy Allen plus added a good shutdown wing defender or two (say Thansis, an Eric Griffin and/or say Pat Connaughton in the 2nd round, a strong/athletic/gritty/hardnosed/talented SG -- reminds me of a young Dan Majerle) to go along with Galloway who's already here and pretty good defensively -- I mean that's a pretty good defensive nucleus right there. We bring in guys like that (all doable), I don't see the pressing need for WCS. You can never have enough defense, granted, but if we can identify and come up with a couple of key defensive pieces elsewhere, I'd like to see them thinking bigger & go for more of a homerun with the draft pick myself. Plus, what if we added Porzingis at 4 or a Myles Turner on a trade-down a little lower -- those guys are both adept shot-blockers -- they just happen to be legit offensive threats as well. Can't really say that about WCS. (2) When Phil first took over, didn't he call the Melo/Amar'e/Chandler frontcourt "clunky"? Well what does he think Melo/Monroe/Stein would be? Isn't that the same thing basically, more or less? Why openly criticize what Donnie/Grunwald came up with and then turn around and replicate essentially the same thing? And ya know what, it never really worked anyway...Let's go at it a little differently this time. And (3) I'm sorry but this latest bit of info. concerning Stein's ankle is a legit concern for me.

Just wonder if some of you guys actually listen to and understand what Jackson says when he gives a press conference.
Jotted down some notes from the recent press conference:

He commented on the Euro leagues and specifically mentioned the preeminence of the Spanish leagues at this time. And that the Euros coming in to the draft have been playing against men. He feels college players might be more athletic, but the Euros are much stronger physically as most are men.

Talking about Euros- "there have been comparisons with other players who come through the draft... that people don't have the time/patience to wait for and Guys become 10 yr all stars... you don't want to walk away from that.

He said the knicks are looking for "Mature kids who have a reasonable understanding of their skills."

He's looking at Personalities, how they fit together as teammates.

He wants to Get a sense of family structure, education, comprehension, and understanding the concepts (of the Triangle).

He says that a kid staying in school can have an advantage, and he is looking at the mental ability and how they can be trained physically and socially.

Read into this whatever you want. Its late, hope I didn't make any mistakes interpreting…might have, though.

Sounds like kaminsky to me. WCS doesn't have it upstairs or in his chest and a guy like Phil can see that through all the hype about a 7 foot pterodactyl on defense.

He's going to shock the world. Frank the tank at 4 (if he can't trade down that it is..and he 's letting everybody know the draft market is not as liquid as most fans think ( or hope) it is.

WAKEUPKNICKS2015 wrote:We're going to pick Mudiay.

All signs point to this pick. I'm sounding like a magic eight ball.

rpknicks wrote:

Just wonder if some of you guys actually listen to and understand what Jackson says when he gives a press conference.
Jotted down some notes from the recent press conference:

He commented on the Euro leagues and specifically mentioned the preeminence of the Spanish leagues at this time. And that the Euros coming in to the draft have been playing against men. He feels college players might be more athletic, but the Euros are much stronger physically as most are men.

Talking about Euros- "there have been comparisons with other players who come through the draft... that people don't have the time/patience to wait for and Guys become 10 yr all stars... you don't want to walk away from that.

He said the knicks are looking for "Mature kids who have a reasonable understanding of their skills."

He's looking at Personalities, how they fit together as teammates.

He wants to Get a sense of family structure, education, comprehension, and understanding the concepts (of the Triangle).

He says that a kid staying in school can have an advantage, and he is looking at the mental ability and how they can be trained physically and socially.

Read into this whatever you want. Its late, hope I didn't make any mistakes interpreting…might have, though.

Sounds like kaminsky to me. WCS doesn't have it upstairs or in his chest and a guy like Phil can see that through all the hype about a 7 foot pterodactyl on defense.

He's going to shock the world. Frank the tank at 4 (if he can't trade down that it is..and he 's letting everybody know the draft market is not as liquid as most fans think ( or hope) it is.

If we get Kaminsky at 4 why would that be a shocker? The guy is 7-1 and has more versatility and skill other than Russell. If the market doesnt let us trade down--its a solid pick if thats the avenue.