Vmart wrote:Time has a way of making someone forget. If LeBron went for 40 vs Jordan. Jordan would up his game and drop 55-60 his competitive Fire would take him to a high game. People forget that Jordan averaged 5+ assists a game and 6+ rebounds a game. LeBron is the best of his Era.

Lebron is averaging 40ppg 12rpg 8apg.

Jordan wouldn't be able to guard Lebron - Pippen would though.

Vmart wrote:Time has a way of making someone forget. If LeBron went for 40 vs Jordan. Jordan would up his game and drop 55-60 his competitive Fire would take him to a high game. People forget that Jordan averaged 5+ assists a game and 6+ rebounds a game. LeBron is the best of his Era.

^^ This. Not taking anything away from Lebron, but he hasn't yet come to MJ's level of uber-dominance and sheer exertion of will to win. He's doing great this year, particularly in the Finals with his undermanned team.

Nalod wrote:I think Brigg is saying that at this point in time Lebron might have eclipsed Jordan. Forget the stats and just go with what you see with yoru eyes.

Jordan never had to do what Lebron is doing. Thats not a knock on him at all. This Cav's team at this moment is missing two allstars and is not deep. He is pulling JR and Shump with him. Delly is NOBODY. Delly is able to be the hero because of lebrons leadership.

Jordan beat up his teammates in practice. He lead by fear and respect. Lebron makes others around him better. He is elevating guys right now like no other players I can recall doing.
Jordan had wonderful realitively healthy rosters around him. Good for him and it helped in his perfection.

In a weird way, I think Shump and JR have been such good soldiers for Lebron that it's actually helped make him a better leader. They follow his every move and for the first time you can tell Lebron is actually enjoying leading.

He wasn't early in the season in Cleveland. Cleveland was 19-20 and Bron took two weeks off. He comes back and JR and Shump are there following his every move and all the sudden Lebron is really leading guys for the first time ever.

In Miami I don't think he could because it was Wade's team in a lot of ways. His first go round in Cleveland he wasn't ready, like he said going to Miami was like going to college for him.

I've enjoyed watching Lebron mature. He had a long way to come and he has done it.

crzymdups wrote:

Vmart wrote:Time has a way of making someone forget. If LeBron went for 40 vs Jordan. Jordan would up his game and drop 55-60 his competitive Fire would take him to a high game. People forget that Jordan averaged 5+ assists a game and 6+ rebounds a game. LeBron is the best of his Era.

Lebron is averaging 40ppg 12rpg 8apg.

Jordan wouldn't be able to guard Lebron - Pippen would though.

Those are some crazy numbers for a finals. What I'm saying is Jordan would up his game to the teams need. For instance vs the Lakers 5 game series first championship for Jordan he averaged 31.2 points and 11.4 assists. Here are Jordan's finals numbers.

YEAR	G	GS	MPG	FG%	FT%	OFF	DEF	TOT	APG	SPG	BPG	PPG
1991	5	5	44.0	.558	.848	1.6	5.0	6.6	11.4	2.80	1.40	31.2
1992	6	6	42.3	.526	.891	1.0	3.8	4.8	6.5	1.67	0.33	35.8
1993	6	6	45.7	.508	.694	2.5	6.0	8.5	6.3	1.67	0.67	41.0
1996	6	6	42.0	.415	.836	1.7	3.7	5.3	4.2	1.67	0.17	27.3
1997	6	6	42.7	.456	.764	1.5	5.5	7.0	6.0	1.17	0.83	32.3
1998	6	6	41.7	.427	.814	1.5	2.5	4.0	2.3	1.83	0.67	33.5

Vmart wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Vmart wrote:Time has a way of making someone forget. If LeBron went for 40 vs Jordan. Jordan would up his game and drop 55-60 his competitive Fire would take him to a high game. People forget that Jordan averaged 5+ assists a game and 6+ rebounds a game. LeBron is the best of his Era.

Lebron is averaging 40ppg 12rpg 8apg.

Jordan wouldn't be able to guard Lebron - Pippen would though.

Those are some crazy numbers for a finals. What I'm saying is Jordan would up his game to the teams need. For instance vs the Lakers 5 game series first championship for Jordan he averaged 31.2 points and 11.4 assists. Here are Jordan's finals numbers.

YEAR G GS MPG FG% FT% OFF DEF TOT APG SPG BPG PPG
1991 5 5 44.0 .558 .848 1.6 5.0 6.6 11.4 2.80 1.40 31.2
1992 6 6 42.3 .526 .891 1.0 3.8 4.8 6.5 1.67 0.33 35.8
1993 6 6 45.7 .508 .694 2.5 6.0 8.5 6.3 1.67 0.67 41.0
1996 6 6 42.0 .415 .836 1.7 3.7 5.3 4.2 1.67 0.17 27.3
1997 6 6 42.7 .456 .764 1.5 5.5 7.0 6.0 1.17 0.83 32.3
1998 6 6 41.7 .427 .814 1.5 2.5 4.0 2.3 1.83 0.67 33.5

I think what we are talking about is this moment in time. We have all of Jordans feats set in stone, lebron is still making his.

Not even talking about earlier this season.

Jordan would come back at you but was it "team" or was it "Personal". Jordan was a nasty SOB and he could do that with a good team around him. If lebron exhausts himself he won't be able to lead. Jordan had bad games and the bulls won. He often just performed the last few minutes of a game and was able to get the bulls over the top.

Like I said, its just "different". Jordan GOAT is not in debate. Lebron might not sustain this and be able to get Cavs thru the series but after 3 games what he is doing was not called for by the bulls, and thus jordan need not answer that bell. The bulls were a very good team without him.

Shawn: LeBron is a better rebounder and passer.

Russell Gettis: LeBron will never beat Jordan. Call me when LeBron has six championships.

Shawn: That's your only argument?

Russell Gettis: It's the only argument I need Shawn!

IMHO - in their primes, one on one, Jordan wins.

Starting a franchise today- I'd pick Jordan.