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Hamo49
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6/8/2015  8:11 PM
I'm from Australia, so I don't have a clue about US taxes etc.
But what is the NY state tax? How much is it? Is it a massive NY turn off for potential free agents? I understand the cost of living would be way higher in NY, but to get taxed on top of that as well?
Here in Australia Sydney is the most expensive city to live in, and our major sport AFL, the league compensate the Sydney team with a Cost of Living Allowance, which gave them slightly more in the salary cap to compensate players who play there.
Obviously the NBA would want New York competitive, is there or has there been any talk of compensation for the teams in New York??
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6/8/2015  8:17 PM
Hamo49 wrote:I'm from Australia, so I don't have a clue about US taxes etc.
But what is the NY state tax? How much is it? Is it a massive NY turn off for potential free agents? I understand the cost of living would be way higher in NY, but to get taxed on top of that as well?
Here in Australia Sydney is the most expensive city to live in, and our major sport AFL, the league compensate the Sydney team with a Cost of Living Allowance, which gave them slightly more in the salary cap to compensate players who play there.
Obviously the NBA would want New York competitive, is there or has there been any talk of compensation for the teams in New York??
It is a massive turnoff for free agents. Texas and Florida are two of the states without state income tax and it is a nice advantage. If you live in New York you also have to pay a city income tax. I believe the combined total for city and state income tax if you live in nyc is 12 % of your income.
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6/8/2015  8:26 PM
Thanks Crush
So this is just another reason we would have to 'overpay' to lure talent away from other franchises
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6/8/2015  8:27 PM
Hamo49 wrote:Thanks Crush
So this is just another reason we would have to 'overpay' to lure talent away from other franchises

exactly! take from me a resident new yorker...they take half my money in taxes and im not even rich. in tax and florida theres no state income tax.

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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6/8/2015  8:58 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
Hamo49 wrote:I'm from Australia, so I don't have a clue about US taxes etc.
But what is the NY state tax? How much is it? Is it a massive NY turn off for potential free agents? I understand the cost of living would be way higher in NY, but to get taxed on top of that as well?
Here in Australia Sydney is the most expensive city to live in, and our major sport AFL, the league compensate the Sydney team with a Cost of Living Allowance, which gave them slightly more in the salary cap to compensate players who play there.
Obviously the NBA would want New York competitive, is there or has there been any talk of compensation for the teams in New York??

It is a massive turnoff for free agents. Texas and Florida are two of the states without state income tax and it is a nice advantage. If you live in New York you also have to pay a city income tax. I believe the combined total for city and state income tax if you live in nyc is 12 % of your income.

I've never heard of 1 free agent suggesting that taxes played as the decision maker for going to one team (state) or another. You?

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6/8/2015  9:01 PM
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Hamo49 wrote:I'm from Australia, so I don't have a clue about US taxes etc.
But what is the NY state tax? How much is it? Is it a massive NY turn off for potential free agents? I understand the cost of living would be way higher in NY, but to get taxed on top of that as well?
Here in Australia Sydney is the most expensive city to live in, and our major sport AFL, the league compensate the Sydney team with a Cost of Living Allowance, which gave them slightly more in the salary cap to compensate players who play there.
Obviously the NBA would want New York competitive, is there or has there been any talk of compensation for the teams in New York??

It is a massive turnoff for free agents. Texas and Florida are two of the states without state income tax and it is a nice advantage. If you live in New York you also have to pay a city income tax. I believe the combined total for city and state income tax if you live in nyc is 12 % of your income.

I've never heard of 1 free agent suggesting that taxes played as the decision maker for going to one team (state) or another. You?


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6/8/2015  9:04 PM
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Hamo49 wrote:I'm from Australia, so I don't have a clue about US taxes etc.
But what is the NY state tax? How much is it? Is it a massive NY turn off for potential free agents? I understand the cost of living would be way higher in NY, but to get taxed on top of that as well?
Here in Australia Sydney is the most expensive city to live in, and our major sport AFL, the league compensate the Sydney team with a Cost of Living Allowance, which gave them slightly more in the salary cap to compensate players who play there.
Obviously the NBA would want New York competitive, is there or has there been any talk of compensation for the teams in New York??

It is a massive turnoff for free agents. Texas and Florida are two of the states without state income tax and it is a nice advantage. If you live in New York you also have to pay a city income tax. I believe the combined total for city and state income tax if you live in nyc is 12 % of your income.

I've never heard of 1 free agent suggesting that taxes played as the decision maker for going to one team (state) or another. You?

no but mike hampton liked the denver school-system better

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6/8/2015  9:06 PM
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Hamo49 wrote:I'm from Australia, so I don't have a clue about US taxes etc.
But what is the NY state tax? How much is it? Is it a massive NY turn off for potential free agents? I understand the cost of living would be way higher in NY, but to get taxed on top of that as well?
Here in Australia Sydney is the most expensive city to live in, and our major sport AFL, the league compensate the Sydney team with a Cost of Living Allowance, which gave them slightly more in the salary cap to compensate players who play there.
Obviously the NBA would want New York competitive, is there or has there been any talk of compensation for the teams in New York??

It is a massive turnoff for free agents. Texas and Florida are two of the states without state income tax and it is a nice advantage. If you live in New York you also have to pay a city income tax. I believe the combined total for city and state income tax if you live in nyc is 12 % of your income.

I've never heard of 1 free agent suggesting that taxes played as the decision maker for going to one team (state) or another. You?

of course they would never out right say that.

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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6/8/2015  9:08 PM
callmened wrote:
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Hamo49 wrote:I'm from Australia, so I don't have a clue about US taxes etc.
But what is the NY state tax? How much is it? Is it a massive NY turn off for potential free agents? I understand the cost of living would be way higher in NY, but to get taxed on top of that as well?
Here in Australia Sydney is the most expensive city to live in, and our major sport AFL, the league compensate the Sydney team with a Cost of Living Allowance, which gave them slightly more in the salary cap to compensate players who play there.
Obviously the NBA would want New York competitive, is there or has there been any talk of compensation for the teams in New York??

It is a massive turnoff for free agents. Texas and Florida are two of the states without state income tax and it is a nice advantage. If you live in New York you also have to pay a city income tax. I believe the combined total for city and state income tax if you live in nyc is 12 % of your income.

I've never heard of 1 free agent suggesting that taxes played as the decision maker for going to one team (state) or another. You?

of course they would never out right say that.


So then, of course it's false to claim to know that the state tax is turning away FAs
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6/8/2015  9:48 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/8/2015  9:53 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
callmened wrote:
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Hamo49 wrote:I'm from Australia, so I don't have a clue about US taxes etc.
But what is the NY state tax? How much is it? Is it a massive NY turn off for potential free agents? I understand the cost of living would be way higher in NY, but to get taxed on top of that as well?
Here in Australia Sydney is the most expensive city to live in, and our major sport AFL, the league compensate the Sydney team with a Cost of Living Allowance, which gave them slightly more in the salary cap to compensate players who play there.
Obviously the NBA would want New York competitive, is there or has there been any talk of compensation for the teams in New York??

It is a massive turnoff for free agents. Texas and Florida are two of the states without state income tax and it is a nice advantage. If you live in New York you also have to pay a city income tax. I believe the combined total for city and state income tax if you live in nyc is 12 % of your income.

I've never heard of 1 free agent suggesting that taxes played as the decision maker for going to one team (state) or another. You?

of course they would never out right say that.


So then, of course it's false to claim to know that the state tax is turning away FAs

why do they have to say it?

if players dont say that they don't like playing with player x does that mean that they don't mind playing with player x?

who says that the big three discount in miami was not a deciding factor?

how about with mid and min level players? don't you think that tax plays a big difference for them?

how about playing in toronto? you don't think that it scares away many FA's?

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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6/8/2015  10:10 PM
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Hamo49 wrote:I'm from Australia, so I don't have a clue about US taxes etc.
But what is the NY state tax? How much is it? Is it a massive NY turn off for potential free agents? I understand the cost of living would be way higher in NY, but to get taxed on top of that as well?
Here in Australia Sydney is the most expensive city to live in, and our major sport AFL, the league compensate the Sydney team with a Cost of Living Allowance, which gave them slightly more in the salary cap to compensate players who play there.
Obviously the NBA would want New York competitive, is there or has there been any talk of compensation for the teams in New York??

It is a massive turnoff for free agents. Texas and Florida are two of the states without state income tax and it is a nice advantage. If you live in New York you also have to pay a city income tax. I believe the combined total for city and state income tax if you live in nyc is 12 % of your income.

I've never heard of 1 free agent suggesting that taxes played as the decision maker for going to one team (state) or another. You?

Rod Thorn said it when he was trying to resign Jason Kidd and Kidd was concerning the Spurs. Twelve percent of 15 mil is pretty significant.
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6/8/2015  11:40 PM
this is mentioned in the cba faq. its not as easy as X% of a salary cuz you play in ny, ca, il, etc. you may pay more as you can get hit with double taxes (pay road state tax, plus home state wants a piece -- not all states do this), and for sure just cuz you play in tx/fl/etc doesnt mean you wont pay state taxes.
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6/8/2015  11:57 PM
nyk4ever wrote:
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Hamo49 wrote:I'm from Australia, so I don't have a clue about US taxes etc.
But what is the NY state tax? How much is it? Is it a massive NY turn off for potential free agents? I understand the cost of living would be way higher in NY, but to get taxed on top of that as well?
Here in Australia Sydney is the most expensive city to live in, and our major sport AFL, the league compensate the Sydney team with a Cost of Living Allowance, which gave them slightly more in the salary cap to compensate players who play there.
Obviously the NBA would want New York competitive, is there or has there been any talk of compensation for the teams in New York??

It is a massive turnoff for free agents. Texas and Florida are two of the states without state income tax and it is a nice advantage. If you live in New York you also have to pay a city income tax. I believe the combined total for city and state income tax if you live in nyc is 12 % of your income.

I've never heard of 1 free agent suggesting that taxes played as the decision maker for going to one team (state) or another. You?

no but mike hampton liked the denver school-system better


His kids liked the schools, but did they like seeing dad get lit up for 3x more HRs in Colorado than he did in NY?

Always thought he was juicing.

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6/9/2015  8:55 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/9/2015  9:13 AM
mreinman wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
callmened wrote:
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Hamo49 wrote:I'm from Australia, so I don't have a clue about US taxes etc.
But what is the NY state tax? How much is it? Is it a massive NY turn off for potential free agents? I understand the cost of living would be way higher in NY, but to get taxed on top of that as well?
Here in Australia Sydney is the most expensive city to live in, and our major sport AFL, the league compensate the Sydney team with a Cost of Living Allowance, which gave them slightly more in the salary cap to compensate players who play there.
Obviously the NBA would want New York competitive, is there or has there been any talk of compensation for the teams in New York??

It is a massive turnoff for free agents. Texas and Florida are two of the states without state income tax and it is a nice advantage. If you live in New York you also have to pay a city income tax. I believe the combined total for city and state income tax if you live in nyc is 12 % of your income.

I've never heard of 1 free agent suggesting that taxes played as the decision maker for going to one team (state) or another. You?

of course they would never out right say that.


So then, of course it's false to claim to know that the state tax is turning away FAs

why do they have to say it?

if players dont say that they don't like playing with player x does that mean that they don't mind playing with player x?

who says that the big three discount in miami was not a deciding factor?

how about with mid and min level players? don't you think that tax plays a big difference for them?

how about playing in toronto? you don't think that it scares away many FA's?


because otherwise you can't assume the small difference in taxes paid for 41 days a year outweighs the large difference in marketing opportunities, public services, night life, and more that you get in NY.
Regardless, the burden is always on the person making a claim to provide evidence. If a poster claims players are avoiding certain places with higher taxes, they need to provide evidence. The strongest evidence would be quotes from players but they should at least give some evidence.
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6/9/2015  10:05 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
callmened wrote:
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Hamo49 wrote:I'm from Australia, so I don't have a clue about US taxes etc.
But what is the NY state tax? How much is it? Is it a massive NY turn off for potential free agents? I understand the cost of living would be way higher in NY, but to get taxed on top of that as well?
Here in Australia Sydney is the most expensive city to live in, and our major sport AFL, the league compensate the Sydney team with a Cost of Living Allowance, which gave them slightly more in the salary cap to compensate players who play there.
Obviously the NBA would want New York competitive, is there or has there been any talk of compensation for the teams in New York??

It is a massive turnoff for free agents. Texas and Florida are two of the states without state income tax and it is a nice advantage. If you live in New York you also have to pay a city income tax. I believe the combined total for city and state income tax if you live in nyc is 12 % of your income.

I've never heard of 1 free agent suggesting that taxes played as the decision maker for going to one team (state) or another. You?

of course they would never out right say that.


So then, of course it's false to claim to know that the state tax is turning away FAs

why do they have to say it?

if players dont say that they don't like playing with player x does that mean that they don't mind playing with player x?

who says that the big three discount in miami was not a deciding factor?

how about with mid and min level players? don't you think that tax plays a big difference for them?

how about playing in toronto? you don't think that it scares away many FA's?


because otherwise you can't assume the small difference in taxes paid for 41 days a year outweighs the large difference in marketing opportunities, public services, night life, and more that you get in NY.
Regardless, the burden is always on the person making a claim to provide evidence. If a poster claims players are avoiding certain places with higher taxes, they need to provide evidence. The strongest evidence would be quotes from players but they should at least give some evidence.

we have no evidence that carmelo and mda were NOT besties but its a pretty good assumption

there are players who it will not deter but its safe to assume that for many players it would

you don't assume that players would pass on canada because of tax implications?

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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6/9/2015  10:23 AM
mreinman wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
callmened wrote:
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Hamo49 wrote:I'm from Australia, so I don't have a clue about US taxes etc.
But what is the NY state tax? How much is it? Is it a massive NY turn off for potential free agents? I understand the cost of living would be way higher in NY, but to get taxed on top of that as well?
Here in Australia Sydney is the most expensive city to live in, and our major sport AFL, the league compensate the Sydney team with a Cost of Living Allowance, which gave them slightly more in the salary cap to compensate players who play there.
Obviously the NBA would want New York competitive, is there or has there been any talk of compensation for the teams in New York??

It is a massive turnoff for free agents. Texas and Florida are two of the states without state income tax and it is a nice advantage. If you live in New York you also have to pay a city income tax. I believe the combined total for city and state income tax if you live in nyc is 12 % of your income.

I've never heard of 1 free agent suggesting that taxes played as the decision maker for going to one team (state) or another. You?

of course they would never out right say that.


So then, of course it's false to claim to know that the state tax is turning away FAs

why do they have to say it?

if players dont say that they don't like playing with player x does that mean that they don't mind playing with player x?

who says that the big three discount in miami was not a deciding factor?

how about with mid and min level players? don't you think that tax plays a big difference for them?

how about playing in toronto? you don't think that it scares away many FA's?


because otherwise you can't assume the small difference in taxes paid for 41 days a year outweighs the large difference in marketing opportunities, public services, night life, and more that you get in NY.
Regardless, the burden is always on the person making a claim to provide evidence. If a poster claims players are avoiding certain places with higher taxes, they need to provide evidence. The strongest evidence would be quotes from players but they should at least give some evidence.

we have no evidence that carmelo and mda were NOT besties but its a pretty good assumption

there are players who it will not deter but its safe to assume that for many players it would

you don't assume that players would pass on canada because of tax implications?


If the endorsements potentially outweighed the 41 days of taxes or if other opportunities did, then no, I would not make assumptions.
Regardless, it would be different Crush had said "I don't have evidence but I assume it's a turnoff for free agents"
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6/9/2015  10:29 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
callmened wrote:
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Hamo49 wrote:I'm from Australia, so I don't have a clue about US taxes etc.
But what is the NY state tax? How much is it? Is it a massive NY turn off for potential free agents? I understand the cost of living would be way higher in NY, but to get taxed on top of that as well?
Here in Australia Sydney is the most expensive city to live in, and our major sport AFL, the league compensate the Sydney team with a Cost of Living Allowance, which gave them slightly more in the salary cap to compensate players who play there.
Obviously the NBA would want New York competitive, is there or has there been any talk of compensation for the teams in New York??

It is a massive turnoff for free agents. Texas and Florida are two of the states without state income tax and it is a nice advantage. If you live in New York you also have to pay a city income tax. I believe the combined total for city and state income tax if you live in nyc is 12 % of your income.

I've never heard of 1 free agent suggesting that taxes played as the decision maker for going to one team (state) or another. You?

of course they would never out right say that.


So then, of course it's false to claim to know that the state tax is turning away FAs

why do they have to say it?

if players dont say that they don't like playing with player x does that mean that they don't mind playing with player x?

who says that the big three discount in miami was not a deciding factor?

how about with mid and min level players? don't you think that tax plays a big difference for them?

how about playing in toronto? you don't think that it scares away many FA's?


because otherwise you can't assume the small difference in taxes paid for 41 days a year outweighs the large difference in marketing opportunities, public services, night life, and more that you get in NY.
Regardless, the burden is always on the person making a claim to provide evidence. If a poster claims players are avoiding certain places with higher taxes, they need to provide evidence. The strongest evidence would be quotes from players but they should at least give some evidence.

we have no evidence that carmelo and mda were NOT besties but its a pretty good assumption

there are players who it will not deter but its safe to assume that for many players it would

you don't assume that players would pass on canada because of tax implications?


If the endorsements potentially outweighed the 41 days of taxes or if other opportunities did, then no, I would not make assumptions.
Regardless, it would be different Crush had said "I don't have evidence but I assume it's a turnoff for free agents"

if its a safe assumption then you don't have to specifically state that it is an assumption

I remember reading articles stating how happy Toronto was that Lowry stayed because very few want to stay due to the tax issue.

either way, you don't like assumptions, you need large samples ... I get it :-)

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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6/9/2015  10:29 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/9/2015  10:29 AM
Found this article on an NBA.com blog:
http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2014/07/24/nba-doesnt-view-state-tax-disparity-as-competitive-disadvantage/

It is speculation from a writer versus an actual statement by a player or agent, but interesting. Highlights are mine. The Canada considerations are interesting because of the currency exchange on top of it.

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NBA doesn’t view state tax disparity as competitive disadvantage
July 24, 2014 · 10:54AM
Posted by Steve Aschburner

Sometimes it’s the weather. Sometimes it’s the scenery. Sometimes it’s the nightlife or the endorsement potential or spouse-and-family priorities. Sometimes it’s even the basketball, the rest of the roster, the chance to win.

And sometimes it’s the money.

There are a skidload of reasons why NBA free agents choose the destinations they choose and the league can’t do much (beyond the collectively bargained rules already in place) to control them. But money is something the NBA is very good at controlling. From the maximum salary a superstar can earn to the minimum wage paid to some undrafted rookie, from the “floor” that a team must spend on its player payroll to the luxury-tax threshold that acts as a de facto hard salary cap for most owners, the league manages to the dollar its costs, cash outlays and other budgets and expenditures that impact competitive balance.

So what’s up with the state tax disparity?

When Washington free agent Trevor Ariza agreed to a four-year, $32 million deal with Houston earlier this month — accepting essentially the same salary the Wizards offered him — multiple outlets noted a big difference in Ariza’s take-home pay with the Rockets. The lack of a state tax in Texas vs. the local taxes (and higher cost of living) in and around Washington, D.C., meant the veteran wing player would pocket as much as $3 million more by working and living in Houston.

And when Carmelo Anthony was making the VIP rounds on his team-selection tour that landed him right back in New York, SI.com’s Michael McCann and tax expert Robert Raiola painstakingly crunched the numbers to account for federal, state, city and “jock” taxes (most NBA markets require visiting players to pay local taxes on the portion of their income earned within their jurisdiction).

Their findings? The “same” $95.9 million/four years offer to Anthony from Houston, Miami and Chicago would have differed, in what he actually took home, by as much as $1.4 million. Yet because of New York’s high state and city tax rates, a maximum offer from the Knicks – $129.1 million/five years, or $33.2 million more than what those other clubs could have paid him – would have been whittled down to $66.7 million in net wages.

The net gap, thanks to tax liabilities, would have been less than $13 million compared to what the Bulls could have paid him (had Chicago cleared maximum cap space) and about $11.4 million more than the Heat or Rockets would have paid.

Remember, too, that just four summers ago, the decisions by LeBron James and Chris Bosh to join Dwyane Wade in Miami weren’t made in a tax vacuum. Much attention was paid to their willingness to sign for slightly less than maximum salaries, but it was mostly tax experts, academicians and NBA insiders who tracked the actual savings James and Bosh realized by shedding the liabilities of Ohio and Canada, respectively.

So what are teams and fans to do in places such as Milwaukee, Minnesota or Portland, where the highest marginal income tax rates in 2014 are 7.65 percent, 9.85 percent and 9.9 percent respectively? Or in Sacramento, which doesn’t benefit from the glamour factors as the franchises in Los Angeles or the Bay Area but still is saddled with a 13.3 percent tax rate on high earners? A million here, a million there and pretty soon you’re talking real money compared to what the Rockets, Spurs, Mavericks, Heat, Magic and Grizzlies can toss at free agents without state taxes.

Apparently, there’s little interest and no movement at the league’s highest levels to equalize the marketplace.

That’s a departure from what was done about a dozen years ago for the Toronto Raptors, when the NBA took on that franchise’s financial disadvantages, which stemmed not only from Canadian tax rates but an unfavorable (unfavourable?) exchange rate that left Raptors players with less money than their U.S. counterparts.

Shortly after Vancouver moved to Memphis in 2001, and with Toronto’s long-term sustainability in doubt, the NBA provided assistance to the Raptors and their players with a stipend reported at $2 million and other concessions. The exchange rate, however, has evened out since then and Toronto, though it still earns its revenue in Canadian currency, conducts its NBA business – salary cap figures, player payroll – in U.S. dollars. The tax rates for Toronto residents are said to be no better, perhaps, but no worse than for wage earners in many U.S. states.

As for adjusting every team’s cap ($63.065 million for 2014-15), tax level ($76.829 million) and minimum salary ($56.759 million) to factor out state taxes, a league source said the NBA has no such plans.

What might seem to be a simple math exercise grows more complicated when other differences between markets – not just the fuzzy intangibles or “quality of life” preferences – are considered. Property taxes, sales taxes, real estate prices and overall cost-of-living adjustments might cry out for attention, too.

The NBA, already deep into luxury-tax and revenue-sharing policies it says were designed for greater competitive balance, could wind up with a crazy quilt of figures, rules and bottom lines. Instead of point guards and two-way wing players becoming the darlings of the league, it might be a bunch of tax attorneys for whom fans start rooting.

Then there’s this: Do the Lakers and the Knicks really need any sort of cap advantage to be more desirable destinations than they’ve traditionally been?

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Bonn1997
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6/9/2015  10:33 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/9/2015  10:34 AM
mreinman wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
callmened wrote:
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Hamo49 wrote:I'm from Australia, so I don't have a clue about US taxes etc.
But what is the NY state tax? How much is it? Is it a massive NY turn off for potential free agents? I understand the cost of living would be way higher in NY, but to get taxed on top of that as well?
Here in Australia Sydney is the most expensive city to live in, and our major sport AFL, the league compensate the Sydney team with a Cost of Living Allowance, which gave them slightly more in the salary cap to compensate players who play there.
Obviously the NBA would want New York competitive, is there or has there been any talk of compensation for the teams in New York??

It is a massive turnoff for free agents. Texas and Florida are two of the states without state income tax and it is a nice advantage. If you live in New York you also have to pay a city income tax. I believe the combined total for city and state income tax if you live in nyc is 12 % of your income.

I've never heard of 1 free agent suggesting that taxes played as the decision maker for going to one team (state) or another. You?

of course they would never out right say that.


So then, of course it's false to claim to know that the state tax is turning away FAs

why do they have to say it?

if players dont say that they don't like playing with player x does that mean that they don't mind playing with player x?

who says that the big three discount in miami was not a deciding factor?

how about with mid and min level players? don't you think that tax plays a big difference for them?

how about playing in toronto? you don't think that it scares away many FA's?


because otherwise you can't assume the small difference in taxes paid for 41 days a year outweighs the large difference in marketing opportunities, public services, night life, and more that you get in NY.
Regardless, the burden is always on the person making a claim to provide evidence. If a poster claims players are avoiding certain places with higher taxes, they need to provide evidence. The strongest evidence would be quotes from players but they should at least give some evidence.

we have no evidence that carmelo and mda were NOT besties but its a pretty good assumption

there are players who it will not deter but its safe to assume that for many players it would

you don't assume that players would pass on canada because of tax implications?


If the endorsements potentially outweighed the 41 days of taxes or if other opportunities did, then no, I would not make assumptions.
Regardless, it would be different Crush had said "I don't have evidence but I assume it's a turnoff for free agents"

if its a safe assumption then you don't have to specifically state that it is an assumption

I remember reading articles stating how happy Toronto was that Lowry stayed because very few want to stay due to the tax issue.

either way, you don't like assumptions, you need large samples ... I get it :-)


What's the evidence that it's a safe assumption?
I'm partly joking but for reasons already stating, I think it is not a safe assumption. If it was this safe and obvious, I think it would have been addressed by the league already. Cost of living issues are probably much larger. You'll never make all cities equal in appeal anyway though. It looks to me more like an excuse used by people who don't want to blame our team for its incompetence.
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6/9/2015  10:39 AM
martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Hamo49 wrote:I'm from Australia, so I don't have a clue about US taxes etc.
But what is the NY state tax? How much is it? Is it a massive NY turn off for potential free agents? I understand the cost of living would be way higher in NY, but to get taxed on top of that as well?
Here in Australia Sydney is the most expensive city to live in, and our major sport AFL, the league compensate the Sydney team with a Cost of Living Allowance, which gave them slightly more in the salary cap to compensate players who play there.
Obviously the NBA would want New York competitive, is there or has there been any talk of compensation for the teams in New York??

It is a massive turnoff for free agents. Texas and Florida are two of the states without state income tax and it is a nice advantage. If you live in New York you also have to pay a city income tax. I believe the combined total for city and state income tax if you live in nyc is 12 % of your income.

I've never heard of 1 free agent suggesting that taxes played as the decision maker for going to one team (state) or another. You?

I dont believe that #. Nor have I ever heard that this is a big deal. I live 20 miles away in NJ and have worked in NYC for 15+ years and dont pay NYC taxes, only NJ state, which is nothing close to 12%. I remember reading Jeter kept a residence in Tampa for tax breaks. Seems like there are many many ways around that if its a big sticking point.

The only way this comes into play is if a player is really stuck between choosing two spots, then you factor this in.

If your looking for a new job, what factors do you consider?
1) the company your working for.
2) the job your taking (stability, role, future, quality of life)
3) the surrounding area (livibility, schools for kids, culture if your ethnic maybe)

I mean money is important, but who is going to let a 4%-8% difference dictate all of the above? I mean I make good money now... nothing crazy but a respectable wage. I would not take double my current salary to move to Chicago or San Fran, even if I didnt have to deal with ex wife logistics. I am where I want to be.

Sorry.. I just dont buy the 12% arguement.

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