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OT: Do Jahlil Okafor and Julius Randle Fit Well With Each Other?
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NardDogNation
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5/31/2015  9:21 AM
My first inclination was no but Randle is far more perimeter skilled/oriented than I recall. I wonder what the two of them would be like the triangle if we moved Melo and our 4th for Randle, Nick Young and their 2nd.
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5/31/2015  10:03 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/31/2015  10:04 AM
I think the would fit well together. My only question with that deal is about Randle is his condition going to be chronic. I think the Knicks would have to get a little more out of the deal like another first round pick.
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5/31/2015  10:03 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/31/2015  1:59 PM
supposedly randle lost weight and worked on his shooting. he might be like a lamar odom type now
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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5/31/2015  12:06 PM
If we're giving up Melo, why on earth would we have to include our #4? That crazy.

Melo for #2 and players makes sense, but giving our pick? No effing way. Melo is a "super"-star in this league, whether you like him or not.

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5/31/2015  12:17 PM
Moonangie wrote:If we're giving up Melo, why on earth would we have to include our #4? That crazy.

Melo for #2 and players makes sense, but giving our pick? No effing way. Melo is a "super"-star in this league, whether you like him or not.

Yes I thought the same. Okafor and Randle for Melo done deal.

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5/31/2015  12:19 PM
Vmart wrote:
Moonangie wrote:If we're giving up Melo, why on earth would we have to include our #4? That crazy.

Melo for #2 and players makes sense, but giving our pick? No effing way. Melo is a "super"-star in this league, whether you like him or not.

Yes I thought the same. Okafor and Randle for Melo done deal.

Melo is 31 coming off knee surgery. LA would have to be high on Phil Jackson's old supply to make this deal.

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5/31/2015  12:22 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Moonangie wrote:If we're giving up Melo, why on earth would we have to include our #4? That crazy.

Melo for #2 and players makes sense, but giving our pick? No effing way. Melo is a "super"-star in this league, whether you like him or not.

Yes I thought the same. Okafor and Randle for Melo done deal.

Melo is 31 coming off knee surgery. LA would have to be high on Phil Jackson's old supply to make this deal.

Lakers don't work about stuff like that. They get Melo and a gift is right around the corner for them. They will probably find a way to add Jordan to the team. And go with Kobe, Melo and Jordan get a run. They will be back in the finals in no time.

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5/31/2015  12:36 PM
Vmart wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Moonangie wrote:If we're giving up Melo, why on earth would we have to include our #4? That crazy.

Melo for #2 and players makes sense, but giving our pick? No effing way. Melo is a "super"-star in this league, whether you like him or not.

Yes I thought the same. Okafor and Randle for Melo done deal.

Melo is 31 coming off knee surgery. LA would have to be high on Phil Jackson's old supply to make this deal.

Lakers don't work about stuff like that. They get Melo and a gift is right around the corner for them. They will probably find a way to add Jordan to the team. And go with Kobe, Melo and Jordan get a run. They will be back in the finals in no time.

For a second I thought you meant Michael Jordan and you were kidding. I think it's about as likely. If the Lakers trade for Melo, they have no cap room left.

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5/31/2015  12:59 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Moonangie wrote:If we're giving up Melo, why on earth would we have to include our #4? That crazy.

Melo for #2 and players makes sense, but giving our pick? No effing way. Melo is a "super"-star in this league, whether you like him or not.

Yes I thought the same. Okafor and Randle for Melo done deal.

Melo is 31 coming off knee surgery. LA would have to be high on Phil Jackson's old supply to make this deal.

And Love is coming off shoulder surgery and a season long back issue. And Aldridge is 30 coming off wrist or thumb surgery. And Gasol is 30, etc etc. No one gives a **** if an all star is 30, 31- only a few people on this board.

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5/31/2015  1:11 PM
smackeddog wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Moonangie wrote:If we're giving up Melo, why on earth would we have to include our #4? That crazy.

Melo for #2 and players makes sense, but giving our pick? No effing way. Melo is a "super"-star in this league, whether you like him or not.

Yes I thought the same. Okafor and Randle for Melo done deal.

Melo is 31 coming off knee surgery. LA would have to be high on Phil Jackson's old supply to make this deal.

And Love is coming off shoulder surgery and a season long back issue. And Aldridge is 30 coming off wrist or thumb surgery. And Gasol is 30, etc etc. No one gives a **** if an all star is 30, 31- only a few people on this board.

Love is 25.

Gasol has never had a major injury.

Melo has had shoulder and knee problems the last three off-seasons in a row, came in to the league at 19, has always played heavy starter minutes. It's fair to question whether he'll wear down.

I think given the choice, the Lakers would take Love over Melo - they wouldn't have to trade for him and so could keep Randle.

Lakers can roll out a lineup next season of

Mudiay / Clarkson
Kobe
???
Love / Randle
J Hill /

That's decent with Kobe coming off the books, build around Mudiay / Love and have $40M in cap room with Kobe retiring.

I could sort of see the Lakers taking Mudiay over Okafor if they like Mudiay... we'll see though...

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5/31/2015  1:15 PM
These rumors have the Lakers interested in DeMarre Carroll (that dude made himself some cheddar in the playoffs...) and drafting a point guard. This report also has the Lakers interested in Greg Monroe. LOL. sigh.

http://www.hngn.com/articles/94588/20150522/l-a-lakers-rumors-interest-free-agent-demarre-carroll-emmanuel-mudiay-d-angelo-russell-top-choices-2015-nba-draft.htm

The Los Angeles Lakers reportedly have "big-time interest" in signing Atlanta Hawks forward DeMarre Carroll in free agency. The Lakers also reportedly are eying a point guard - Emmanuel Mudiay or D'Angelo Russell - in the 2015 NBA draft, not a center.

Things are looking up for what will likely be Kobe Bryant's final season. Los Angeles lucked out and walked away Tuesday night with the No. 2 pick of the upcoming draft, and the team is projected to have enough salary cap space in July to make a max-level offer to one of the bigger-name free agents.

In terms of free agency, the Lakers have been linked to just about every player expected to be available. One of the soon-to-be free agents at the top of Los Angeles' list, though, reportedly is Carroll. An NBA source told Sean Deveney of Sporting News the Lakers "have big-time interest in Carroll," whom NBA.com reported last week would be a free-agent target for the Los Angeles.

Carroll, a 28-year-old journeyman currently on his fifth NBA team, carried his breakout season into the playoffs and has made his market value skyrocket. In addition to being a premier defender, Carroll is now a legitimate threat beyond the arc - his 3-pointer improved to 39.5 percent during the regular season and to 42.6 percent during the regular season - capable of spacing the floor.

Signing Caroll won't be cheap, however. The bone bruise on his knee he suffered Wednesday won't hurt his value, with one league executive believing Carroll's $2.4 million annual salary this season could increase to as high as $15 million next season. Atlanta, where Carroll has thrived under coach Mike Budenholzer, would seemingly have the inside track on re-signing Carroll - if the team is willing to pay. The Lakers' competition for Carroll also reportedly includes the New York Knicks, the Boston Celtics and the Detroit Pistons.

Other free-agent targets for Los Angeles are believed to be Kevin Love, DeAndre Jordan, LaMarcus Aldridge, Greg Monroe and restricted free agents Jimmy Butler and Tobias Harris. Although Rajon Rondo has been linked to the Lakers for some time, the latest reports indicate he's no longer Los Angeles' top choice to give a max-contract to in free agency.

Reports from Marc Berman of the New York Post and Kevin Ding of Bleacher Report, if true, further bolster the notion that the Lakers have moved on from Rondo. Although most mock drafts have Los Angeles selecting centers Jahlil Okafor or Karl-Anthony Towns, Berman and Ding both reported the team is looking to use the draft to add a point guard.

"There are multiple reports Lakers brass isn't locked in on either of the draft's top two projected picks, big men Karl-Anthony Towns or Jahlil Okafor," Berman wrote Friday. "The reports have suggested intrigue in mystery point guard Emmanuel Mudiay, who played his season out of high school in China, and Ohio State point guard D'Angelo Russell."

Ding was more specific, saying Mudiay was "the guy" for the Lakers.

There could be truth to the two reports. While disseminating misinformation ahead of drafts isn't uncommon, the Lakers' having the second overall pick somewhat takes away the need for them to use pre-draft smokescreens. And, as mentioned, it fits with the previous indications that Los Angeles no longer believes Rondo is worth a max-level contract, something which the mercurial veteran will certainly seek in the offseason. Los Angeles needs a 1-guard, but the free-agent market for that position will be sparse. If Los Angeles doesn't believe Rondo will sign for a less-than-the-max deal, then picking up a franchise-caliber point guard through the draft makes the most sense - especially given the number of big men expected to be available in July.

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5/31/2015  1:17 PM
One nice thing - you have to think Phil will have the inside track on the Laker's thinking in the draft because of Jeannie.
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5/31/2015  1:20 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/31/2015  1:21 PM
What'll probably happen is that the Lakers will take Mudiay, he'll turn into a star, the Knicks will get Okafor at 4, he'll be terrible and fans who lamented missing Okafor and having to settle for Mudiay will kill the Knicks for losing the #2 pick in the draft to at least give ourselves a shot at Mudiay. This will likely happen because we're the Knicks!

But seriously, if the Lakers covet Mudiay, we should talk about swapping picks 2 and 4. Timmy Hardaway could be a decent Kobe replacement.

But leave the Melo part out of any potential trade, please, there is no way in hell Dolan is trading Melo.

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5/31/2015  1:24 PM
If the Lakers don't want him, I think there is a high chance Rondo falls out of the league
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5/31/2015  1:29 PM
smackeddog wrote:If the Lakers don't want him, I think there is a high chance Rondo falls out of the league

I think someone will sign him, but his playoffs performance was not good.

Heck, I like the guy and so does Melo. If we could get him on the cheap, I'd do it.

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5/31/2015  1:41 PM
crzymdups wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Moonangie wrote:If we're giving up Melo, why on earth would we have to include our #4? That crazy.

Melo for #2 and players makes sense, but giving our pick? No effing way. Melo is a "super"-star in this league, whether you like him or not.

Yes I thought the same. Okafor and Randle for Melo done deal.

Melo is 31 coming off knee surgery. LA would have to be high on Phil Jackson's old supply to make this deal.

And Love is coming off shoulder surgery and a season long back issue. And Aldridge is 30 coming off wrist or thumb surgery. And Gasol is 30, etc etc. No one gives a **** if an all star is 30, 31- only a few people on this board.

Love is 25.

Gasol has never had a major injury.

Melo has had shoulder and knee problems the last three off-seasons in a row, came in to the league at 19, has always played heavy starter minutes. It's fair to question whether he'll wear down.

I think given the choice, the Lakers would take Love over Melo - they wouldn't have to trade for him and so could keep Randle.

Lakers can roll out a lineup next season of

Mudiay / Clarkson
Kobe
???
Love / Randle
J Hill /

That's decent with Kobe coming off the books, build around Mudiay / Love and have $40M in cap room with Kobe retiring.

I could sort of see the Lakers taking Mudiay over Okafor if they like Mudiay... we'll see though...


Love will be 27 in September.
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5/31/2015  1:55 PM
Moonangie wrote:If we're giving up Melo, why on earth would we have to include our #4? That crazy.

Melo for #2 and players makes sense, but giving our pick? No effing way. Melo is a "super"-star in this league, whether you like him or not.

Are you aware that you've got problems with reading comprehension? This is like the 4th response of yours that I've read where you flip out on a point that was never made. Once again, the proposition is Melo and our 4th for Randle and their 2nd. That's why we're talking a out Randle and Okafor, not just Randle.

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5/31/2015  2:00 PM
Moonangie wrote:If we're giving up Melo, why on earth would we have to include our #4? That crazy.

Melo for #2 and players makes sense, but giving our pick? No effing way. Melo is a "super"-star in this league, whether you like him or not.

makes sense to who? No way in hell that LA would give up the #2 pick and randle for Melo (not even if the knicks include the #4). You kidding me?

Crazy how much he is still over valued by fans.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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5/31/2015  2:02 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Vmart wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Moonangie wrote:If we're giving up Melo, why on earth would we have to include our #4? That crazy.

Melo for #2 and players makes sense, but giving our pick? No effing way. Melo is a "super"-star in this league, whether you like him or not.

Yes I thought the same. Okafor and Randle for Melo done deal.

Melo is 31 coming off knee surgery. LA would have to be high on Phil Jackson's old supply to make this deal.

Lakers don't work about stuff like that. They get Melo and a gift is right around the corner for them. They will probably find a way to add Jordan to the team. And go with Kobe, Melo and Jordan get a run. They will be back in the finals in no time.

For a second I thought you meant Michael Jordan and you were kidding. I think it's about as likely. If the Lakers trade for Melo, they have no cap room left.

They'd have just short of $20 million if Nick Young were included....

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5/31/2015  2:07 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Moonangie wrote:If we're giving up Melo, why on earth would we have to include our #4? That crazy.

Melo for #2 and players makes sense, but giving our pick? No effing way. Melo is a "super"-star in this league, whether you like him or not.

Yes I thought the same. Okafor and Randle for Melo done deal.

Melo is 31 coming off knee surgery. LA would have to be high on Phil Jackson's old supply to make this deal.

Unless they had a very good supporting cast already in place, the bigger question would be, Can two aging stars coming off season ending injuries, who both require 25 shots apiece would work, and i say hell no.

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