I did not know scott layden was working for chicago!

I would not mind getting Crawford and Eddie Robinson and JYD- but we would need to ship back something else besides Tim Thomas and Kurt Thomas-

perhaps Tim Thomas, Shandon Anderson or Moochie and Kurt or some combination of stuff- but if this were a legit starting point and not just some silly internet rumour, it could lead somewhere positive.

IMHO, while TT has upside and all of the tools to be great, all he is now is talk. He's more dead weight than KVH was, imho... and like KVH, he's a man who doesn't have a true position.

I wouldn't mind so much if we made this sign/trade deal for Crawford. While as presently consitituted, this clearly isn't the ideal playing situation for Crawford. He can't step in as a clear starter nor be penciled in for a guaranteed 30 minutes. After all, your 3 best players will all be guards.

For the Knicks, he'd be a great SG of the future when and if Houston's time has run out (though as I've said before, I think Q-Rich is better).

I like JYD--- he'd be just another part of the Georgetown connection--- and he's another "baby" Rodman, a guy willing to sacrifice his body, play defense and do the dirty work. Eddie Robinson showed so much promise a few years ago, but hasn't been able to get it going in Chicago. He signed a long term contract back then, but it probably only has a year or three left by now, right?

Clearing out KT/TT will allow us to play Penny and a defensive oriented SF... and gives Sweetney some guaranteed burn. It'd also open the door for a return for McDyess--- toward the end of the season, he showed flashes of his former self, and he's probably in even better shape now.

NOT ONLY THAT... but doing a sign-and-trade for Crawford will allow us to keep our MLE, perhaps to split on Doleac and McDyess.

Another thought, Frank Williams could potentially be included in whatever deal, as an Illinois native... leaving open another roster spot.

You could see a starting lineup of:

Mohammed
McDyess
Penny
Crawford
Marbury

Houston could play limited minutes (25-30mpg) in a starting or bench role... or maybe fit in as a spot up shooter at the 3 in a 3 guard lineup.

Is there a link for this trade offer. Where did you get this information from because I have not seen Tim Thomas included.

I agree...this would never be the deal, and if anything is probably some opening offer. You always aim high. So we counter and sub Shandon...they'll reject that and sooner or later we'll get closer to the middle. Its no big deal and I wouldnt put much stock into this.

As for McDyess, I agree, I'm not exactly pining for his return, and there are plenty of reasons to not want him back. But if we get to the point where we have split our MLE and we need a backup PF, he's probably one of the better high upside/cheap contract options. The early reports said that he's willing to come back and Isiah is willing to take him back...take that for what its worth I guess.

[Edited by - VDesai on 07/04/2004 15:00:38]

No way Isiah would be stupid enough to trade TT unless we got Curry and Craw. Briggs where did you get this from?

I smell it myself. If u think about it, the salaries do add up though...

I don't even think that trade is so bad. We get 45 million in expiring delals in a couple of years, which would give us about 10 mil to sine a major FA then.

I alos not a fan of TT. Considering the value of Craw, who should eventually become our starting SG, its not such a big deal to give up an often injured, soft, and no real positoin player. E-Rob could start for him btw, he can jump our of the gym, is a great defender, has a very good midrange jumper, and shoots 50% overall, and yes, he is a better rebounder then TT, even thou that prolly does not say much.

JYD is a favorite of mine, he is a great energy guy of the bench, is an outstanding rebounder, excellent defender, he can even defend big smalls like Camby used to do for us.

So essentially, we clear up room for Sweetney to start by moving KT, get our man at SG to replace Houston as his body is falling apart, get a great backup big in our rotation, and get solid starter at the 3 who brings much needed defense to the table.

I think giving up an over the hill PF with a long deal, and a soft, perennial underachiever without a real position for all that is not a bad idea at all. We have to realize that in order to get what you want you have to give up some good thigns too, the Bulls are not just gonna gift wrap Crawfard for us.

Get Etan Thomas with the MLE and Foyle with the LLE and here is the team we would have:

C Thomas/Foyle/Mohammed
PF Sweetney/Mohammed/JYD
SF E-Rob/Penny/JYD
SG Houston/Craw/Penny/FW
PG Marbury/Craw/FW/Penny

This team is much much better defensively, is much more athletic, especially if you replace Houston with Craw in the starting lineup, which will prolly happen anyways as I don't beleave Houston will come back from his injury. The absence of Penny or Anderson at the SG means that whoever starts there can shoot (Craw or Houston) so we should have enoguh jumpshooting on this team to get by. It is also obvoius that this team is much much deeper.

"bulls want KurtThomas AND Tim Thomas for Crawford E-Rob and JYD"

I'd do that. KT is an unathletic, overpaid, below average PF prone to mood swings and TT is far from an untouchable. I'm not a big fan of Crawford, E-Rob, or JYD but IMO it is an upgrade.