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VDesai
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7/3/2004  11:41 AM
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It was believed Thomas could give the lesser exception to ex-Knick Michael Doleac. But players can get only a two-year deal with that exception, and Doleac wants more.

"We're looking at a longer-term deal," said agent Glenn Schwartzman, who was not contacted by Thomas as of midday Thursday. "Michael likes it in New York basketball-wise, but if that were the offer and all they could offer him, I don't think it would enable it to happen."
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Nalod
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7/3/2004  12:32 PM
Doleac can make more than a 2 year min deal. ANd he has earned every penny.
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7/3/2004  2:29 PM
someone would have to use part of their MLE on doleac if that is the case. Thats the whole deal. You have to have plans abc and be some what aggresive in free agency THIS year IMHO because of the extensive cap room out there. A team could pick up a Doleac and a Fizer for 3 years 7mm each which could be significant--something of that ilk.
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7/3/2004  2:57 PM
If the Knicks can't get someone like a Crawford or a Stephen Jackson or Etan Thomas for the MLE, I would not be upset splitting the MLE on Doleac and Fizer.

And something like that is probably what the Knicks will end up with
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7/3/2004  6:53 PM
It's all posturing by his agent in attempt to gain leverage. He may have to settle for the LLE.
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7/3/2004  7:52 PM
Its a good move for Isiah to split the entire MLE among multiple players.

Doleac could be one of those players, we'd still have enough loot for another.

That's two players (with reasonable, tradeable salaries) instead of just of for the whole MLE. Add a LLE signing somewhere and you have the makings of a solid 2nd unit.

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7/6/2004  9:28 AM
Doleac is only worth the LLE imho.
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7/6/2004  10:01 AM
Posted by TMS:

Doleac is only worth the LLE imho.

When you see how much are paid the big men today, you have to disagree. And btw, the problem is not the value of is contractn but the duration.
If you could pay him the LLE for 3 or 4 yrs ? Would you do it ?

We could give him a part of the MLE, equivalent to the LLE but with 3 yrs.

Look at what he brings. Good attitude, works hard, and a deadly pick and roll.

IMO dole is good value for money, even if we have to pay three yrs.

After all nowadays in this league, you can buy anything now with a MLE, so why not splitting it ?
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7/6/2004  10:41 AM
i'd much rather sign a Mark Blount or Etan Thomas to the full MLE than split it on Doleac & someone else.

(i assume Crawford is not attainable w/the MLE now w/the latest articles being written, & Swift, Sheed & Dampier are not realistic options either imho)

[Edited by - TMS on 07/06/2004 10:42:22]
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7/6/2004  10:44 AM
blount if for the MLE will play for the sixers where obrian is. He had a great relationship with his coach, so for that price, he'll go there.

Ethan thomas is pipedream.

We can get nothing with the MLE. get real.
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7/6/2004  10:52 AM
if you can get nothing for the MLE, then you know what? don't use it! we have enough talent to be a mediocre team...no need to add guys like Doleac, Sura or whoever else...they aren't impact makers & won't bring this team to the next level.

if you can get Doleac for the LLE, then fine.
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7/6/2004  10:55 AM
we really could use doleac, if you remember our last playoff series.

We suffered a lot from a lack of outside shooting. Doleac helps the spreadong on the floor. That may not be flashy, but it's an impact.
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7/6/2004  11:06 AM
if we had Doleac on the team last year, they lose by a few less points...what's the difference? if we are going to add a frontcourt player w/the MLE, then i want an athletic defensive minded guy first & foremost...that is what they were sorely missing all of last year...i'd rather have Chris Anderson for a portion of the MLE than Doleac to tell u the truth.
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7/6/2004  11:14 AM
why not both ? They both can do something that the other can't. Good mix.

"if we had Doleac on the team last year, they lose by a few less points..."

I agree with that, since this guy can't change a game by himself. But if he can help stephon to be a lil more free, that's what you really gain.
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7/6/2004  11:28 AM
if you can trade KT for Crawford in a sign & trade package, then i would be ALL FOR signing Anderson & Doleac by splitting the MLE (more than likely, either Deke, Othella or Cezary - or a combination of them - will be included in that package anyway & we would probably get JYD)

that would give us a nice, defensive frontcourt w/a good shooter in Doleac to complement Marbury's game:

C - Nazr / Doleac
PF - Sweetney / Anderson / JYD
SF - Thomas / Penny / Ariza or DerMarr
SG - Houston / Crawford
PG - Marbury / Frank
IR - Moochie / Shandon

[Edited by - TMS on 07/06/2004 11:28:58]
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7/6/2004  11:41 AM
I like everyone there except Nazr Mohammed.

Get Dampier and then that team looks good. I know's he's no Wilt Chamberlein but he's better than anything we have. Nazr is not a starting center simply because he can't play defense or at least block a couple of shots. I mean Kurt Thomas blocks more shots than him! If only we can trade Nazr and have a center tandem of Dampier/Doleac. That would cover all the basics. Defense, Rebounding, blocks and shooting.

of course this is assuming we pull off a miracle and land Dampier

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/06/2004 12:10:59]
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7/6/2004  11:50 AM
If we can't afford to get Dampier than screw it. We will suck for another 3 years. Maybe then they'll be able to afford to put a real team on the court
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7/6/2004  12:04 PM
could we also buy shandon out ?
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7/6/2004  12:11 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

I like everyone there except Nazr Mohammed.

Get Dampier and then that team looks good. I know's he's no Wilt Chamberlein but Nazr is not a starting center simply because he can't play defense or at least block a couple of shots. I mean Kurt Thomas blocks more shots than him!

of course this is assuming we pull off a miracle and land Dampier

if you're using KT to get Crawford, there aren't any other desirable pieces to get Dampier with, unless you want to use Tim Thomas to get him...& imo, the Warriors wouldn't even be interested in TT when they already have some good, young talented swingmen on the roster already that come alot cheaper.

& about Nazr, he will be very tradeable after this season, because his contract expires in '06 & he's only signed at MLE type money...so hopefully, he improves on his progress from last season & his trade value goes up.
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7/6/2004  12:13 PM
Nazr is like 27 years old! he's not a rookie who needed to break in the rotation! He is what he is....a solid backup center if your starting center knows how to play defense. I hate it when they say "We like the way Nazr's progressing" It's alright to say that about Sweetney but not Nazr. I didn't see his defense progress one bit and he's certainly not Ewing when he shoots.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/06/2004 12:14:45]

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/06/2004 12:17:11]
Doleac looking for longer term deal from NY

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