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4/18/2015  1:24 AM
The upside with Stephenson is tremendous. He is only 24, 16 days older than youth Travis Wear. Moving Jose and Tim for the potential of Lance is worth it in my opinion. Charlotte doesn't want Lance. Maybe you sweeten the deal with a 2019 second rounder but not much more. Lance, Melo, a top 5 pick and two or three free agents set the Knicks up nicely.
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4/18/2015  1:36 AM
I'm not a fan of Lance but you can't deny he's got talent. However there should be a special clause in his contract that he is allowed to shoot further from 16ft only during practice.
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4/18/2015  2:06 AM
Worse comes to worse, Stephenson sucks but expires a full year earlier than 34 year old Jose Calderon.
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4/18/2015  2:35 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/18/2015  2:37 AM
He seems to only to know to play with the ball and not OFF the Ball
Though if we had Ajinicia/Towns he could penetrate all day, though so could Shved/Tony Wroten depeending on if we needed assets to move Calderon

Saying it now


Thanasis and Orlando Sanchez will be like having some picks this summer

Orlando Sanchez really would fit this system and is very skilled

Maybe Shved, especially if we sign Ajincia, and if Galloway can continue to learn from Billups, would be great


Teaming up Thanasis with players and talents that could help him develop and fit his skills would make a great difference
I think Wesley Johnson would fit that as both have similiar skills sets/physical abilities/weakness's

Other's that would fit include


DeMaRRee Carroll
Wesley Johnson/Danny Green


some trade targets I would like to buy low if possible


Meyers Leanard for salary dump and future 2nd rounder so they can resign most of their UFA's
Tony Wroten, maybe Thomas/COvington, would give a future 1st for a trio of talents if they gave us some 2nd rounders while swapping

Tim Hardway JR/Early and whoever in the process

Some surprise signings could be

Andray Blatche
Dante Cunningham
Anthony Tolliver *team option*
Randy Foye *team option*
Derrick Williams

Koufus/Brandon Wright

Lavoy Allen/Serephin

Of course there will be Andrew Bynum


Development Coaches and Trainers, are very important, especially if they can work together, same trainer for CP3 and Steph Curry
Practice is very important along with training on and off the court, in the gym *do not believe in the traditional weights training in the gym*
Depending on who we draft/sign
Pay them good money if needed to work on some of our younger guys


Rasheed Wallace a bit of old school and the stretch 4/5 on BOTH ENDS
JO - solid PF/C that fully utilize length/speed/quickess mobolity and skinny frame to POST and DEFEND at a HIGH LEVEL, 2way player with Rasheed
Billups/Ron Harper with Galloway and our PG's
Pippen with Thanasis
Shane Battier as a DEFENSIVE COACH
Ray Allen/Peja/Delfino as shooting coach though Billups is a very good shooter and Jason Kapono played in the Triangle


Could all be GREAT DEVELOPMENT COACHES

Maybe a few other Triangle specialist as well

There are some RFA and UFA in New Orleands as well as trainers/develpoment coaches/maybe some of Kentucky's staff as well

But Ajinicia should be our #1 UFA that is realistic, if he gets to shine this playoffs, we might have to pay extra do so though
This series could really make AJincia the attainable Hassam Whiteside at 7-2 and could score both inside and inside 1v1 that the other BIG's can not with him and AD together with KAT's type potential but with actual NBA experience
New Orleans would need AJinicia/Anthony Davis in addition to Jrue Holiday/Tyrke Evans/Eric Gordon/Ryan Anderson to step up both OFF and DEF, without TO's, as the game will change in the play offs

With

Dante Cunningham/Quincy Pondexter/Norris Cole all are defensive specialists/2nd units with Ajinicia's ability to cover much ground with AD together
Though these guys are not as good on OFFENSE, their intensity/motor/defensive abiltiies/versatility and energy would be just as important, while if they play well, could finish some of the games with AD
While Asik does some pounding, they need more from Ajincia/Ryan Anderson after Asik does some dirty work first to set the tone/wear some guys out
THey need more OFFENSE after the sets that tone


IF Jrue Holiday was a bit more in NBA shape already, it would help much as he is their best defensive guard with good size/strength, though only played in 3 games since a couple months
They payed Noel and a future protected 1st that they do not have to give up this summer for him, which was a pretty hefty price if he isn't producing/healthy
Though could be underpaid a bit if he was in shape

If we did draft KAT, we should sign some of the development coaches that have worked with AD and Ajincia who have similar skill sets/strengths and took huge leaps forward this year and sicne AD's rookie year
In addition to Rasheed Wallace...

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4/18/2015  2:39 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/18/2015  2:42 AM
I can totally see Bulls going for Brian Shaw if they decide they want to go from a different direction from Thibs
They have the talent that Denver never did to execute the Triangle, especially with Pau/Noah/Butler


Their defensive princibles thought from Thibs would stay the same while Shaw could help their OFFENSEIVE CHANGE
They do not need Derrick Rose and his lack of defense, with those 3 having the ability to cover much of the OFFENSE by themselves, especially in the Triangle

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4/18/2015  7:48 AM
TripleThreat wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:The upside with Stephenson is tremendous. He is only 24, 16 days older than youth Travis Wear. Moving Jose and Tim for the potential of Lance is worth it in my opinion. Charlotte doesn't want Lance. Maybe you sweeten the deal with a 2019 second rounder but not much more. Lance, Melo, a top 5 pick and two or three free agents set the Knicks up nicely.


No one is taking in Calderon's toxic contract and treat it as an asset to be bartered.

No one.

To move Calderon's contract, the Knicks will need to package A REAL ASSET with Calderon to get him off the roster. And accept getting Calderon off the books is the return, not expecting to actually get a REAL ASSET from another team.

For example, sending out Early, THJr and Calderon for a conditional 2nd round pick is something that might be feasible. Thats if some team just loves and loves Early and thinks THJr can be fixed.

Calderon is one of the worst contracts in the league. Even some overpaid pivots can at least clog the lane for you. Or maybe give you six hard fouls. Calderon is an aging overpaid reserve who plays the position with the least overall positional value in the entire league.

I agree, no reason for Hornets to take Jose when they can just waive Lance rather then eat Jose's contract. Calderon's value is shot at the moment. Its best to see if we can bring it back up with an improve roster.

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4/18/2015  11:33 AM
CrushAlot wrote:The upside with Stephenson is tremendous. He is only 24, 16 days older than youth Travis Wear. Moving Jose and Tim for the potential of Lance is worth it in my opinion. Charlotte doesn't want Lance. Maybe you sweeten the deal with a 2019 second rounder but not much more. Lance, Melo, a top 5 pick and two or three free agents set the Knicks up nicely.

Why would we mess up the culture we're trying to build with him?? He's a distraction on the court and i absolutely in no way want that guy on the Knicks.
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4/18/2015  12:54 PM
TripleThreat wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:The upside with Stephenson is tremendous. He is only 24, 16 days older than youth Travis Wear. Moving Jose and Tim for the potential of Lance is worth it in my opinion. Charlotte doesn't want Lance. Maybe you sweeten the deal with a 2019 second rounder but not much more. Lance, Melo, a top 5 pick and two or three free agents set the Knicks up nicely.


No one is taking in Calderon's toxic contract and treat it as an asset to be bartered.

No one.

To move Calderon's contract, the Knicks will need to package A REAL ASSET with Calderon to get him off the roster. And accept getting Calderon off the books is the return, not expecting to actually get a REAL ASSET from another team.

For example, sending out Early, THJr and Calderon for a conditional 2nd round pick is something that might be feasible. Thats if some team just loves and loves Early and thinks THJr can be fixed.

Calderon is one of the worst contracts in the league. Even some overpaid pivots can at least clog the lane for you. Or maybe give you six hard fouls. Calderon is an aging overpaid reserve who plays the position with the least overall positional value in the entire league.

Look at the cap projections for the next t 3 years- Calderón 's contract is about to be one peanuts. Hornets would get some much needed outside shooting and get rid of a player who does not fit on that team. It's a risky move- I'm not sold on it, but I'd consider it depending on how free agency went.

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4/18/2015  12:56 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:The upside with Stephenson is tremendous. He is only 24, 16 days older than youth Travis Wear. Moving Jose and Tim for the potential of Lance is worth it in my opinion. Charlotte doesn't want Lance. Maybe you sweeten the deal with a 2019 second rounder but not much more. Lance, Melo, a top 5 pick and two or three free agents set the Knicks up nicely.

Why would we mess up the culture we're trying to build with him?? He's a distraction on the court and i absolutely in no way want that guy on the Knicks.

You can have 1 prickly player on your team, as long as you've got vets and solid leadership around them

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4/18/2015  1:48 PM
smackeddog wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:The upside with Stephenson is tremendous. He is only 24, 16 days older than youth Travis Wear. Moving Jose and Tim for the potential of Lance is worth it in my opinion. Charlotte doesn't want Lance. Maybe you sweeten the deal with a 2019 second rounder but not much more. Lance, Melo, a top 5 pick and two or three free agents set the Knicks up nicely.


No one is taking in Calderon's toxic contract and treat it as an asset to be bartered.

No one.

To move Calderon's contract, the Knicks will need to package A REAL ASSET with Calderon to get him off the roster. And accept getting Calderon off the books is the return, not expecting to actually get a REAL ASSET from another team.

For example, sending out Early, THJr and Calderon for a conditional 2nd round pick is something that might be feasible. Thats if some team just loves and loves Early and thinks THJr can be fixed.

Calderon is one of the worst contracts in the league. Even some overpaid pivots can at least clog the lane for you. Or maybe give you six hard fouls. Calderon is an aging overpaid reserve who plays the position with the least overall positional value in the entire league.

Look at the cap projections for the next t 3 years- Calderón 's contract is about to be one peanuts. Hornets would get some much needed outside shooting and get rid of a player who does not fit on that team. It's a risky move- I'm not sold on it, but I'd consider it depending on how free agency went.


I'd rather keep Jose as a spot up 3 point back up. Lance is a team killer
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4/18/2015  1:59 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/18/2015  2:10 PM
Hardaway started putting the ball on the floor and got to the rim after he returned from his injury..It made him a different player..I remember Ewing got hurt early in his career and came back for the last six games of the year..He average about 28 pts per over the last 6 and never looked back as a dominant scorer..Sometimes it takes sitting on the sidelines and seeing how your game can fit into what the team is doing, putting it into action and gaining confidence..

I want to see Tim Jr next year and how much he work he put in during the off season..
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4/18/2015  2:23 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:The upside with Stephenson is tremendous. He is only 24, 16 days older than youth Travis Wear. Moving Jose and Tim for the potential of Lance is worth it in my opinion. Charlotte doesn't want Lance. Maybe you sweeten the deal with a 2019 second rounder but not much more. Lance, Melo, a top 5 pick and two or three free agents set the Knicks up nicely.


No one is taking in Calderon's toxic contract and treat it as an asset to be bartered.

No one.

To move Calderon's contract, the Knicks will need to package A REAL ASSET with Calderon to get him off the roster. And accept getting Calderon off the books is the return, not expecting to actually get a REAL ASSET from another team.

For example, sending out Early, THJr and Calderon for a conditional 2nd round pick is something that might be feasible. Thats if some team just loves and loves Early and thinks THJr can be fixed.

Calderon is one of the worst contracts in the league. Even some overpaid pivots can at least clog the lane for you. Or maybe give you six hard fouls. Calderon is an aging overpaid reserve who plays the position with the least overall positional value in the entire league.

I agree, no reason for Hornets to take Jose when they can just waive Lance rather then eat Jose's contract. Calderon's value is shot at the moment. Its best to see if we can bring it back up with an improve roster.

Well they can't waive lance until next year. If they waive him next season they would owe him the money for the full length of his contract. They want Lance gone and teams were asking for 1st rders, the Pavers wanted 2.

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4/18/2015  3:18 PM
CrushAlot wrote:The upside with Stephenson is tremendous. He is only 24, 16 days older than youth Travis Wear. Moving Jose and Tim for the potential of Lance is worth it in my opinion. Charlotte doesn't want Lance. Maybe you sweeten the deal with a 2019 second rounder but not much more. Lance, Melo, a top 5 pick and two or three free agents set the Knicks up nicely.

you need very strong leadership in place for him to work. the knicks have none and until they do there is no place on the roster for behavioral outliers. can't look at players in a vacuum.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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4/18/2015  3:47 PM
Imo, Lance best position is pg/facilitator. He's ineffective without the ball in his hands. He is a horrible perimeter shooter so running off screens or driving and kicking to him is worthless. However, if you put the ball in his hands and let him facilitate the triangle, i think ha can average a near triple double. Lance can also guard 1-3. He also has the toughness to play and thrive in NYC. I would take a chance on him if the plan is to utilize his strengths.
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4/18/2015  6:43 PM
dk7th wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:The upside with Stephenson is tremendous. He is only 24, 16 days older than youth Travis Wear. Moving Jose and Tim for the potential of Lance is worth it in my opinion. Charlotte doesn't want Lance. Maybe you sweeten the deal with a 2019 second rounder but not much more. Lance, Melo, a top 5 pick and two or three free agents set the Knicks up nicely.

you need very strong leadership in place for him to work. the knicks have none and until they do there is no place on the roster for behavioral outliers. can't look at players in a vacuum.

Its a no brainer if Hornets were willing to do it which they probably won't. Lance has a team option for next season. If he doesn't work out you could buy him out or cut him as he is expiring

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4/18/2015  7:39 PM
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newyorker4ever wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:The upside with Stephenson is tremendous. He is only 24, 16 days older than youth Travis Wear. Moving Jose and Tim for the potential of Lance is worth it in my opinion. Charlotte doesn't want Lance. Maybe you sweeten the deal with a 2019 second rounder but not much more. Lance, Melo, a top 5 pick and two or three free agents set the Knicks up nicely.

Why would we mess up the culture we're trying to build with him?? He's a distraction on the court and i absolutely in no way want that guy on the Knicks.

You can have 1 prickly player on your team, as long as you've got vets and solid leadership around them

He's more then a prickly player he's a idiot with some of the dumb crap he does. JR Smith all over again.

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4/18/2015  7:44 PM
holfresh wrote:Hardaway started putting the ball on the floor and got to the rim after he returned from his injury..It made him a different player..I remember Ewing got hurt early in his career and came back for the last six games of the year..He average about 28 pts per over the last 6 and never looked back as a dominant scorer..Sometimes it takes sitting on the sidelines and seeing how your game can fit into what the team is doing, putting it into action and gaining confidence..

I want to see Tim Jr next year and how much he work he put in during the off season..

He had other games before his injury where he was driving to the rim and he was successful in doing it and then he'd come back the next game and he'd be right back to chucking up three pointers again. I definitely think Timmy deserves another shot with us next year and hope he gets that chance. I know a lot of people are hoping we trade him and if it's a trade where we're getting something good back then i'm cool with it but i don't want to trade him just to get rid of him like some do.
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4/18/2015  7:48 PM
Uptown wrote:Imo, Lance best position is pg/facilitator. He's ineffective without the ball in his hands. He is a horrible perimeter shooter so running off screens or driving and kicking to him is worthless. However, if you put the ball in his hands and let him facilitate the triangle, i think ha can average a near triple double. Lance can also guard 1-3. He also has the toughness to play and thrive in NYC. I would take a chance on him if the plan is to utilize his strengths.

Wow you think he can average a near triple double?? He would have to become almost Lebron like to even come close to averaging a triple double.
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4/18/2015  7:57 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:
Uptown wrote:Imo, Lance best position is pg/facilitator. He's ineffective without the ball in his hands. He is a horrible perimeter shooter so running off screens or driving and kicking to him is worthless. However, if you put the ball in his hands and let him facilitate the triangle, i think ha can average a near triple double. Lance can also guard 1-3. He also has the toughness to play and thrive in NYC. I would take a chance on him if the plan is to utilize his strengths.

Wow you think he can average a near triple double?? He would have to become almost Lebron like to even come close to averaging a triple double.

He might be able to have a few in a season, but I cant see him averaging more than 6 assists per game. We wants to score and isnt very good at it.
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4/18/2015  8:30 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:
Uptown wrote:Imo, Lance best position is pg/facilitator. He's ineffective without the ball in his hands. He is a horrible perimeter shooter so running off screens or driving and kicking to him is worthless. However, if you put the ball in his hands and let him facilitate the triangle, i think ha can average a near triple double. Lance can also guard 1-3. He also has the toughness to play and thrive in NYC. I would take a chance on him if the plan is to utilize his strengths.

Wow you think he can average a near triple double?? He would have to become almost Lebron like to even come close to averaging a triple double.

I'm not saying he is gonna put up Oscar Robertson #s. I think he can average about 13-7-7. Give or take a rebound or 2.

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