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TPercy
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4/15/2015  10:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/15/2015  10:32 PM
This thread is a discussion about what went on during the season, what were the best moments and what were the worst moments. What did we takeaway from the season? Who are the guys to keep? How can e improve? Should the triangle still be kept? Do you still believe in Phil?

This was one putrid season;nevertheless, we still got the opportunity to get a high pick for this upcoming draft.

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4/15/2015  10:36 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/15/2015  10:42 PM
Main takeaways:
-Calderon should never have been a starting pg
-Larkin is a bad fit for this team
-Thjr is a terrible player who luckily got his trade value up at the end of the season.
-This triangle system needs some serious modifications if it wants to be successful
- When Melo shares the ball this team looks very good

- Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard. Look at How Thomas and Amundson and even Galloay looked a lot better than Shump,Jr Smith and Timmy. Next year we need guys who can do both.

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4/15/2015  10:37 PM
There were no good moments. The worst moment might actually have been our final 2 wins
TPercy
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4/15/2015  10:40 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:There were no good moments. The worst moment might actually have been our final 2 wins

Really? Upsetting Lebron James's homecoming to the cavs was not a good moment?

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4/15/2015  10:43 PM
TPercy wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:There were no good moments. The worst moment might actually have been our final 2 wins

Really? Upsetting Lebron James's homecoming to the cavs was not a good moment?

i guess since it happened early in the season where optimism was still high. But im being honest its tough to find any positive in a 17 win season. We have a lottery pick but even that we kinda screwed up
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4/15/2015  10:48 PM
TPercy wrote:Main takeaways:
-Calderon should never have been a starting pg
-Larkin is a bad fit for this team
-Thjr is a terrible player who luckily got his trade value up at the end of the season.
-This triangle system needs some serious modifications if it wants to be successful
- When Melo shares the ball this team looks very good

1. Jose was injured and I don't know if he was ever 100%.
2. Larkin just just too small IMO. He'd have to be a lights out shooter and able to drive and use a floater against bigs, but he's only just beginning to develop that part of his game.
3. THJ may be used in a trade this summer.
4. The Triangle should not be judged by watching players who aren't starting quality run it. Not to mention some guys who are a poor fit. The fact that just 4 years ago Phil was in the playoffs with this system and 5 years ago he won a title, shows that it's more than good enough to win with. Nothing wrong with some tweaks but overall it's about the talent.
5. Melo just needs a better group around him and to be healthy.

My take on the year:
IMO it was great to see Galloway have a good rookie season. Early and THJ came on a little bit towards the end of the year. They still have a lot more developing to do.
Schved was an eye opener for just how much better things can look with a guard who fits the system. We needed a big guard who could drive and pass and it totally changed the way the offense looked.
Amundson and Thomas brought hustle and energy and showed that it's not hard to learn the Triangle. They picked it up very quickly as did Schved. More importantly LG and LT played hard and it influenced the rest of the team.
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4/15/2015  10:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/15/2015  10:52 PM
TPercy wrote:Main takeaways:
-Calderon should never have been a starting pg
-Larkin is a bad fit for this team
-Thjr is a terrible player who luckily got his trade value up at the end of the season.
-This triangle system needs some serious modifications if it wants to be successful
- When Melo shares the ball this team looks very good

- Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard. Look at How Thomas and Amundson and even Galloay looked a lot better than Shump,Jr Smith and Timmy. Next year we need guys who can do both.

I agree 200%. You are just missing one thing; the terrible job done by Fisher. Specifically; his defensive principles

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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4/15/2015  11:00 PM
If Galloway keeps at it during the summer for his 3pt shooting and physical strength, he could surprise people. I watched the clip of his career high performance and when he is hot he is hot. He keeps the same form, same concentration and hits the same spot every single time. It has potential to reach the 40s.
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4/15/2015  11:02 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:
TPercy wrote:Main takeaways:
-Calderon should never have been a starting pg
-Larkin is a bad fit for this team
-Thjr is a terrible player who luckily got his trade value up at the end of the season.
-This triangle system needs some serious modifications if it wants to be successful
- When Melo shares the ball this team looks very good

- Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard. Look at How Thomas and Amundson and even Galloay looked a lot better than Shump,Jr Smith and Timmy. Next year we need guys who can do both.

I agree 200%. You are just missing one thing; the terrible job done by Fisher. Specifically; his defensive principles


Yep those defensive principles of us daring the 3 must be thrown out of the door. We are leading the NBA by a substantial amount for 3pts made against us.
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4/15/2015  11:06 PM
TPercy wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
TPercy wrote:Main takeaways:
-Calderon should never have been a starting pg
-Larkin is a bad fit for this team
-Thjr is a terrible player who luckily got his trade value up at the end of the season.
-This triangle system needs some serious modifications if it wants to be successful
- When Melo shares the ball this team looks very good

- Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard. Look at How Thomas and Amundson and even Galloay looked a lot better than Shump,Jr Smith and Timmy. Next year we need guys who can do both.

I agree 200%. You are just missing one thing; the terrible job done by Fisher. Specifically; his defensive principles


Yep those defensive principles of us daring the 3 must be thrown out of the door. We are leading the NBA by a substantial amount for 3pts made against us.

Fisher and the coaching staff are living in Stone Age. The new era of basketball demands that the perimeter is protected; because teams are no longer afraid to shoot the three on a fast break

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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4/15/2015  11:07 PM
nixluva wrote:
TPercy wrote:Main takeaways:
-Calderon should never have been a starting pg
-Larkin is a bad fit for this team
-Thjr is a terrible player who luckily got his trade value up at the end of the season.
-This triangle system needs some serious modifications if it wants to be successful
- When Melo shares the ball this team looks very good

1. Jose was injured and I don't know if he was ever 100%.
2. Larkin just just too small IMO. He'd have to be a lights out shooter and able to drive and use a floater against bigs, but he's only just beginning to develop that part of his game.
3. THJ may be used in a trade this summer.
4. The Triangle should not be judged by watching players who aren't starting quality run it. Not to mention some guys who are a poor fit. The fact that just 4 years ago Phil was in the playoffs with this system and 5 years ago he won a title, shows that it's more than good enough to win with. Nothing wrong with some tweaks but overall it's about the talent.
5. Melo just needs a better group around him and to be healthy.

My take on the year:
IMO it was great to see Galloway have a good rookie season. Early and THJ came on a little bit towards the end of the year. They still have a lot more developing to do.
Schved was an eye opener for just how much better things can look with a guard who fits the system. We needed a big guard who could drive and pass and it totally changed the way the offense looked.
Amundson and Thomas brought hustle and energy and showed that it's not hard to learn the Triangle. They picked it up very quickly as did Schved. More importantly LG and LT played hard and it influenced the rest of the team.


4) I disagree, that traingle needs a little bit of more work. They need to include different modern options in the plays so that we are less predicatable

5) We saw what Melo could do with a worst sporting cast, he still made them look good, if only he did this more often.

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4/15/2015  11:17 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/15/2015  11:18 PM
The triangle is not really a problem. I have seen layers used in Chicago and LA that were not deployed under this coaching staff. I believe you need great coaching and great players to make that system a success. Precisely why I want Shaw as coach.

If this team were able to DEFEND, the abysmal offensive performances would not have been this apparent.

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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4/16/2015  12:46 AM
The Triangle is only there to have a flow the team can get into when there's nothing else there. The idea isn't to only get into the Triangle action but rather to push the ball and look for early offense and easy scoring opportunities. If the defense is back then you have the Triangle to rely on, but even then, players have to use their talent to break from the basics of the offense and create. To trick the defense into thinking they know what you're going to do. When you lack talent and experience you will only see basic and predictable stuff.

You guys are really underestimating the Triangle. It's a tried and tested system that has already seen lots of tweaking over the years. It's a very flexible system and we didn't see every facet of it but more than that is the guys running it weren't really being stopped as much as they simply couldn't finish the great looks they did get. It's amazing how different things looked with Schved even tho they ran the same exact stuff. Schved was able to take full advantage of the openings that the offense creates. Schved would push the ball and prove the defense, which led to better looks. That's why it's more about the talent then the system.
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4/16/2015  9:35 AM
A lot of Calderon hate and I understand. Briggs would have him tarred and feathered. Dump him your making the exact same mistake you made with Tyson. Selling low. Tyson came off his worst year as a Knicks and it killed his value. Same with Calderon. He's this season removed from starting every game at PG for a 50 win Mavs team and his no defense playing selse did so with Monta Ellis as his running mate. If we upgrade the talent Calderon can 100% be a good player for us. There is nothing Kidd did to start that 54 win season that Calderon cant do.

Galloway is a good NBA player and a great find.
Shved looked really good and I would pick up his QO (especially if we draft big)
Lou and Lance are perfect vet min players. You dont want them playing big rotation minutes but there were be times in the season where they give you good minutes, much like Kurt and Sheed were in the past.
Ledo showed enough to get a Langston type look and deal if he plays well in the summer league

Terrrible season, but with a healthy Melo, some nice role players, a blue chip player from the draft and hopefully some nice FA signings things can turn around quickly.

Looking forward to Thanisis as well. We have some young athletic guys. WE need some heady vets and that nice young cornerstone piece now. Hoping like hell Phil can execute on this offseason

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fishmike wrote:A lot of Calderon hate and I understand. Briggs would have him tarred and feathered. Dump him your making the exact same mistake you made with Tyson. Selling low. Tyson came off his worst year as a Knicks and it killed his value. Same with Calderon. He's this season removed from starting every game at PG for a 50 win Mavs team and his no defense playing selse did so with Monta Ellis as his running mate. If we upgrade the talent Calderon can 100% be a good player for us. There is nothing Kidd did to start that 54 win season that Calderon cant do.

Galloway is a good NBA player and a great find.
Shved looked really good and I would pick up his QO (especially if we draft big)
Lou and Lance are perfect vet min players. You dont want them playing big rotation minutes but there were be times in the season where they give you good minutes, much like Kurt and Sheed were in the past.
Ledo showed enough to get a Langston type look and deal if he plays well in the summer league

Terrrible season, but with a healthy Melo, some nice role players, a blue chip player from the draft and hopefully some nice FA signings things can turn around quickly.

Looking forward to Thanisis as well. We have some young athletic guys. WE need some heady vets and that nice young cornerstone piece now. Hoping like hell Phil can execute on this offseason


When the rest of the nba puts high emphasis on pg and you roll out Jose Calderon you are behind the8 ball before the toss
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4/16/2015  9:49 AM
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4/16/2015  10:08 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
fishmike wrote:A lot of Calderon hate and I understand. Briggs would have him tarred and feathered. Dump him your making the exact same mistake you made with Tyson. Selling low. Tyson came off his worst year as a Knicks and it killed his value. Same with Calderon. He's this season removed from starting every game at PG for a 50 win Mavs team and his no defense playing selse did so with Monta Ellis as his running mate. If we upgrade the talent Calderon can 100% be a good player for us. There is nothing Kidd did to start that 54 win season that Calderon cant do.

Galloway is a good NBA player and a great find.
Shved looked really good and I would pick up his QO (especially if we draft big)
Lou and Lance are perfect vet min players. You dont want them playing big rotation minutes but there were be times in the season where they give you good minutes, much like Kurt and Sheed were in the past.
Ledo showed enough to get a Langston type look and deal if he plays well in the summer league

Terrrible season, but with a healthy Melo, some nice role players, a blue chip player from the draft and hopefully some nice FA signings things can turn around quickly.

Looking forward to Thanisis as well. We have some young athletic guys. WE need some heady vets and that nice young cornerstone piece now. Hoping like hell Phil can execute on this offseason


When the rest of the nba puts high emphasis on pg and you roll out Jose Calderon you are behind the8 ball before the toss
1 year ago, 50 wins, West conference, playing for a guy who stresses defense and taking care of the ball. The guy's #s are better than Felton's have even been and there arent a lot of guys who can shoot like Jose. I get you dont like him. He's not 5% as bad as you make him out to be. He's played well on several teams, and can do a lot of things. It was a bad year. I could have said the exact same thing about Tyson after last season.
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4/16/2015  10:21 AM
Takeaways:

My kids are healthy. One is engaged to be married and one is in south america study abroad. Thriving and surviving!
My tennis game is good. Im doing more volunteer work this year. Stock market is good, clients are happy.
My new Landscaper is doing a great job!
I have some touch up paint work to do on the house.
Some trips to plan.
My dog is happy.
My parents are a pain in the arse, but greatful they are still with me at their advanced age.
Knicks had a bad season. We'll get a nice draft pick, maybe some free agents, hopefully Melo returns to form and blends in with new players, I think we have a shot at .500 and a 7-8 seed next year.
LIfe goes on.
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4/16/2015  11:12 AM
Negatives

1) fisher a bad hire
2) tyson trade was pointless
3) wear signing was worthless
4) triangle means nothing without passionate defenders
5) Shump and JR trade.. bad

Positives

1) Loved Amare, but letting him walk was a honorable thing to do.
2) Finding Galloway was a solid move

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