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3/22/2015  5:18 PM
(If we land a top 2 pick) This may be the best route we can take. Even if Ok4 is the best player. Its harder to find a player like Towns. If you land Ok4 to me its seems harder to find pieces to build around him. Then I look at Cousins, Griffin, Randolph, Jefferson, Monroe, Hortford, Love etc. And you would see that while these guys are all highly productive. The success in terms of winning games in today's NBA usually come down to who there PGs are and none of them have been to the finals yet in there careers. Ok4 is going to have to be Tim Duncan to surpass them. Blake put up 24pts 9.5rebs 3.9ast, 1.2stls 50fg% last season.

Ok4 may be a better player then Monroe or Towns(Though these aren't guarantees) but a Towns/Monroe combination is a very good fit for the triangle as well as a harder combination to find. With Towns you are looking at a guy who not only could potentially be a defensive anchor but also have a offensive skill set. Meaning a Paul Gasol type of player. If you look around the league there aren't many Paul Gasol type of players. Gasol, Bosh, Aldridge, past prime Duncan, Garnett yrs ago off the top of my head. Most likely you land Ok4 and you are looking for a stretch 4/5 to give him space to operate &/or a defensive anchor 5 to put around him. With Towns you potentially get both aspects in 1 which again is way harder to find while.

Then look at the passing potential and versatility of a Towns-Monroe-Melo frontcourt. With Melo being a 3/4, Towns and Monroe being 4/5s. Melo & Monroe capable of posting up in the low post, Melo & Towns capable of working the high post. Small ball spread PNR with Towns at the 5 and Melo at the 4 or big with Towns, Monroe, Melo. Rebounding should be strong as well. All you would be looking for is a defensive hustle 3/4 to back up Monroe & Melo (Thanasis??). 3&D PGs & SGs to complete the lineup with one that can penetrate to balance it all out(Shved?).

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3/22/2015  5:21 PM
I don't have anything against what you propose and would be fine with it. OK4, Lopez or Ajinca could also work. Main thing is having more shooting around him so we'd need to get a Danny Green or Matthews in here to be able to knock down 3's. IN the end i'd be happy with either situation. We just need a massive improvement.
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3/22/2015  5:23 PM
This post makes me moist
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3/22/2015  6:13 PM
nixluva wrote:I don't have anything against what you propose and would be fine with it. OK4, Lopez or Ajinca could also work. Main thing is having more shooting around him so we'd need to get a Danny Green or Matthews in here to be able to knock down 3's. IN the end i'd be happy with either situation. We just need a massive improvement.

My concern is Ok4 needing to be force fed to be an impact player. While Towns seems like he could just come in and be an instant fit grabbing rebounds crashing the offensive glass, blocking shots, hitting open jumpers.

Ajinca-Ok4-Melo isn't bad, it doesn't have the potential of Towns-Monroe-Melo, but it would save a lot of money to throw at a Guard and other pieces.

Is Ajinca a high post player?

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3/22/2015  6:30 PM
Why everyone so obssessed with Monroe?
Can't shoot, can't play defense and he is going to cost us a lot.
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3/22/2015  6:41 PM
TPercy wrote:Why everyone so obssessed with Monroe?
Can't shoot, can't play defense and he is going to cost us a lot.

cause he will probably be here next year so we may as well get a head start on over hyping him.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/22/2015  6:48 PM
I'd much rather replace Monroe with Millsap
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3/22/2015  6:50 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:I'd much rather replace Monroe with Millsap

shorter and cheaper contract.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/22/2015  6:51 PM
mreinman wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:I'd much rather replace Monroe with Millsap

shorter and cheaper contract.


Which would be shorter and cheaper? I think they'll both command a lot of money
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3/22/2015  6:52 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:I'd much rather replace Monroe with Millsap

shorter and cheaper contract.


Which would be shorter and cheaper? I think they'll both command a lot of money

Milsap will definitely be shorter and cheaper.

I would say maybe 3-4 @ 10-12 per?

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/22/2015  6:55 PM
Its going to take more than that to get Millsap out of Atlanta

Monroe is 6yrs younger. Rather pay him $15-16mil per

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3/22/2015  6:57 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Its going to take more than that to get Millsap out of Atlanta

Monroe is 6yrs younger. Rather pay him $15-16mil per

Don't think that I would pay him more than that.

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3/22/2015  7:00 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/22/2015  7:00 PM
How do u pay a guy 15/16 mil per and he isn't an impact player??..No Monroe..
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3/22/2015  7:04 PM
holfresh wrote:How do u pay a guy 15/16 mil per and he isn't an impact player??..No Monroe..

how about Kanter?

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/22/2015  7:10 PM
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:How do u pay a guy 15/16 mil per and he isn't an impact player??..No Monroe..

how about Kanter?

Monroe..Kanter discussion in the other thread..

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3/22/2015  7:14 PM
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:How do u pay a guy 15/16 mil per and he isn't an impact player??..No Monroe..

how about Kanter?

Monroe..Kanter discussion in the other thread..

then feel free to answer the question in the other thread ..

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/22/2015  7:14 PM
TPercy wrote:Why everyone so obssessed with Monroe?
Can't shoot, can't play defense and he is going to cost us a lot.

But he can score, he can rebound, and he can pass, and he is only 24. Besides all that he is one of the few realistic options we have. I'm not really married to Monroe, I mean if we can find a cheaper productive option instead I'm not going to complain about it. But that isn't likely, odds are we aren't going to find a bunch of cheap bargain role players that come together to win 50 games under the triangle. We are going to probably have to pay for talent. And under the scenario in the OP we would still have money available and a good foundation set up.

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3/22/2015  7:20 PM
There are only so many players we have a chance to get and so we have to keep an open mind. The best players in Free Agency in terms of Win Shares are listed below in bold. It comes down to having your list of players and placing a value on them then targeting them. Also you have to factor in age which will impact their max as well as the value you get for your dollar since they are younger and have more years to offer at their prime. Greg Monroe is mentioned because he's likely one of the gettable FA's at the top of the list. He's still young and has upside.


Rk Player Pos Age USG% OWS DWS WS ▾ WS/48 OBPM DBPM BPM VORP
1 James Harden SG 25 31.1 9.8 3.7 13.4 .258 7.1 1.2 8.3 6.5
2 Stephen Curry PG 26 28.8 9.2 3.7 12.9 .280 8.9 0.5 9.3 6.3
3 Chris Paul PG 29 23.8 10.0 2.5 12.6 .246 6.8 0.0 6.8 5.5
4 Anthony Davis PF 21 27.8 8.2 3.3 11.5 .280 4.3 2.7 7.0 4.5
5 DeAndre Jordan C 26 13.2 6.1 4.4 10.5 .209 0.7 3.1 3.7 3.5
6 Kyrie Irving PG 22 25.7 7.9 1.6 9.4 .186 4.8 -1.6 3.3 3.2
7 Jimmy Butler SG 25 21.7 6.9 2.4 9.3 .208 4.1 0.6 4.6 3.6
8 Damian Lillard PG 24 26.8 6.3 3.0 9.3 .182 5.2 0.2 5.4 4.6
9 Tyson Chandler C 32 12.7 6.2 2.8 9.0 .219 2.0 2.5 4.5 3.2
10 Marc Gasol C 30 24.5 4.8 4.1 8.9 .183 1.2 3.4 4.6 3.9
11 Russell Westbrook PG 26 38.3 6.2 2.7 8.9 .233 9.0 2.4 11.5 6.2
12 Pau Gasol PF 34 24.3 5.2 3.6 8.8 .183 0.7 2.0 2.7 2.8
13 LeBron James SF 30 32.9 6.5 2.3 8.8 .194 6.3 0.7 7.1 5.0
14 Kevin Love PF 26 21.6 5.5 2.5 8.0 .170 2.1 -0.1 2.0 2.3
15 Gordon Hayward SF 24 26.3 5.5 2.4 7.9 .161 3.7 0.0 3.6 3.4
16 LaMarcus Aldridge PF 29 30.1 4.4 3.4 7.8 .171 0.3 0.1 0.4 1.3
17 Derrick Favors PF 23 23.4 4.9 2.8 7.7 .181 1.2 1.6 2.8 2.5
18 Draymond Green SF 24 17.1 3.0 4.7 7.7 .168 1.0 4.1 5.1 4.0
19 Al Horford C 28 22.0 4.4 3.1 7.5 .180 1.3 2.7 4.0 3.1
20 John Wall PG 24 25.5 3.8 3.6 7.5 .146 2.7 1.2 3.9 3.7
21 Paul Millsap PF 29 23.9 3.5 3.9 7.4 .163 1.5 2.5 4.1 3.3
22 Klay Thompson SG 24 27.6 4.6 2.7 7.3 .169 3.4 -0.9 2.5 2.4
23 Tim Duncan PF 38 22.8 3.5 3.7 7.2 .185 0.4 4.3 4.7 3.1
24 Rudy Gobert C 22 13.5 3.8 3.3 7.1 .201 0.5 5.2 5.7 3.3
25 Blake Griffin PF 25 28.7 5.3 1.8 7.1 .174 3.0 0.9 3.9 2.9
26 Jeff Teague PG 26 25.5 4.7 2.4 7.1 .174 2.7 -0.8 1.9 1.9
27 Jonas Valanciunas C 22 18.7 5.0 2.0 7.0 .191 0.0 -0.8 -0.8 0.5
28 Eric Bledsoe PG 25 23.7 4.2 2.6 6.8 .138 2.2 1.1 3.3 3.2
29 Kyle Lowry PG 28 25.3 5.0 1.8 6.8 .144 4.4 -0.6 3.8 3.3
30 Ty Lawson PG 27 20.8 5.6 1.1 6.7 .137 3.2 -1.9 1.4 2.0
31 Marcin Gortat C 30 17.7 3.2 3.4 6.6 .152 -1.0 2.0 1.0 1.6
32 Kyle Korver SG 33 14.2 4.5 2.1 6.6 .151 3.3 0.2 3.4 2.9
33 Mike Conley PG 27 24.0 4.1 2.3 6.4 .157 3.6 -0.6 3.0 2.5
34 Danny Green SG 27 17.7 3.1 3.2 6.3 .153 2.5 2.2 4.7 3.3
35 Wesley Matthews SG 28 19.9 4.0 2.3 6.3 .150 3.8 0.1 3.9 3.0

36 Dirk Nowitzki PF 36 25.3 4.6 1.8 6.3 .157 1.7 -1.2 0.5 1.2
37 Kawhi Leonard SF 23 22.6 2.8 3.3 6.1 .182 1.9 3.1 5.0 2.8
38 Greg Monroe PF 24 23.9 3.6 2.6 6.1 .147 0.5 1.2 1.7 1.9

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3/22/2015  7:22 PM
nixluva wrote:There are only so many players we have a chance to get and so we have to keep an open mind. The best players in Free Agency in terms of Win Shares are listed below in bold. It comes down to having your list of players and placing a value on them then targeting them. Also you have to factor in age which will impact their max as well as the value you get for your dollar since they are younger and have more years to offer at their prime. Greg Monroe is mentioned because he's likely one of the gettable FA's at the top of the list. He's still young and has upside.


Rk Player Pos Age USG% OWS DWS WS ▾ WS/48 OBPM DBPM BPM VORP
1 James Harden SG 25 31.1 9.8 3.7 13.4 .258 7.1 1.2 8.3 6.5
2 Stephen Curry PG 26 28.8 9.2 3.7 12.9 .280 8.9 0.5 9.3 6.3
3 Chris Paul PG 29 23.8 10.0 2.5 12.6 .246 6.8 0.0 6.8 5.5
4 Anthony Davis PF 21 27.8 8.2 3.3 11.5 .280 4.3 2.7 7.0 4.5
5 DeAndre Jordan C 26 13.2 6.1 4.4 10.5 .209 0.7 3.1 3.7 3.5
6 Kyrie Irving PG 22 25.7 7.9 1.6 9.4 .186 4.8 -1.6 3.3 3.2
7 Jimmy Butler SG 25 21.7 6.9 2.4 9.3 .208 4.1 0.6 4.6 3.6
8 Damian Lillard PG 24 26.8 6.3 3.0 9.3 .182 5.2 0.2 5.4 4.6
9 Tyson Chandler C 32 12.7 6.2 2.8 9.0 .219 2.0 2.5 4.5 3.2
10 Marc Gasol C 30 24.5 4.8 4.1 8.9 .183 1.2 3.4 4.6 3.9
11 Russell Westbrook PG 26 38.3 6.2 2.7 8.9 .233 9.0 2.4 11.5 6.2
12 Pau Gasol PF 34 24.3 5.2 3.6 8.8 .183 0.7 2.0 2.7 2.8
13 LeBron James SF 30 32.9 6.5 2.3 8.8 .194 6.3 0.7 7.1 5.0
14 Kevin Love PF 26 21.6 5.5 2.5 8.0 .170 2.1 -0.1 2.0 2.3
15 Gordon Hayward SF 24 26.3 5.5 2.4 7.9 .161 3.7 0.0 3.6 3.4
16 LaMarcus Aldridge PF 29 30.1 4.4 3.4 7.8 .171 0.3 0.1 0.4 1.3
17 Derrick Favors PF 23 23.4 4.9 2.8 7.7 .181 1.2 1.6 2.8 2.5
18 Draymond Green SF 24 17.1 3.0 4.7 7.7 .168 1.0 4.1 5.1 4.0
19 Al Horford C 28 22.0 4.4 3.1 7.5 .180 1.3 2.7 4.0 3.1
20 John Wall PG 24 25.5 3.8 3.6 7.5 .146 2.7 1.2 3.9 3.7
21 Paul Millsap PF 29 23.9 3.5 3.9 7.4 .163 1.5 2.5 4.1 3.3
22 Klay Thompson SG 24 27.6 4.6 2.7 7.3 .169 3.4 -0.9 2.5 2.4
23 Tim Duncan PF 38 22.8 3.5 3.7 7.2 .185 0.4 4.3 4.7 3.1
24 Rudy Gobert C 22 13.5 3.8 3.3 7.1 .201 0.5 5.2 5.7 3.3
25 Blake Griffin PF 25 28.7 5.3 1.8 7.1 .174 3.0 0.9 3.9 2.9
26 Jeff Teague PG 26 25.5 4.7 2.4 7.1 .174 2.7 -0.8 1.9 1.9
27 Jonas Valanciunas C 22 18.7 5.0 2.0 7.0 .191 0.0 -0.8 -0.8 0.5
28 Eric Bledsoe PG 25 23.7 4.2 2.6 6.8 .138 2.2 1.1 3.3 3.2
29 Kyle Lowry PG 28 25.3 5.0 1.8 6.8 .144 4.4 -0.6 3.8 3.3
30 Ty Lawson PG 27 20.8 5.6 1.1 6.7 .137 3.2 -1.9 1.4 2.0
31 Marcin Gortat C 30 17.7 3.2 3.4 6.6 .152 -1.0 2.0 1.0 1.6
32 Kyle Korver SG 33 14.2 4.5 2.1 6.6 .151 3.3 0.2 3.4 2.9
33 Mike Conley PG 27 24.0 4.1 2.3 6.4 .157 3.6 -0.6 3.0 2.5
34 Danny Green SG 27 17.7 3.1 3.2 6.3 .153 2.5 2.2 4.7 3.3
35 Wesley Matthews SG 28 19.9 4.0 2.3 6.3 .150 3.8 0.1 3.9 3.0

36 Dirk Nowitzki PF 36 25.3 4.6 1.8 6.3 .157 1.7 -1.2 0.5 1.2
37 Kawhi Leonard SF 23 22.6 2.8 3.3 6.1 .182 1.9 3.1 5.0 2.8
38 Greg Monroe PF 24 23.9 3.6 2.6 6.1 .147 0.5 1.2 1.7 1.9

Win Shares!

Thats what I'm talkin bout!

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3/22/2015  7:35 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/22/2015  7:38 PM
mreinman wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:I'd much rather replace Monroe with Millsap

shorter and cheaper contract.


Which would be shorter and cheaper? I think they'll both command a lot of money

Milsap will definitely be shorter and cheaper.

I would say maybe 3-4 @ 10-12 per?


You sure about that? He's a repeat all-star and he's on the top team in the conference. The contract you're stating would be a gift for us. I think he'll get closer to 4 years, 60 mil.
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