I wouldn't really worry about it. There's nothing we can do. Minny and Philly will probably try to tank in their games against us, but I don't get the feeling that the Knicks will do that. It's going to be up to the other teams the Knicks face to actually play to win.

nixluva wrote:I don't think there's any tanking plan at all. They seem to be functioning normally without regard for draft position or fear of losing players like Shved. That's just the feeling I get from the actions they've taken. I think the Knicks are playing it straight and letting he chips fall where they may. It may scare the hell out of us but that seems to be what they're doing. It's clear by how the players are playing that they haven't gotten any idea that they should be holding back of letting up. They're going hard in every game. Just so happens they won this one, but they seemed to be trying in all the losses too.

I wouldn't really worry about it. There's nothing we can do. Minny and Philly will probably try to tank in their games against us, but I don't get the feeling that the Knicks will do that. It's going to be up to the other teams the Knicks face to actually play to win.

Nix....if you had kids at home, a wife cooking diner and bills to pay....Are you going to care about tanking?

Tanking is not something players control. Thats an upper management decision. Fisher level and below.....They are all playing within their contract. As for the rest, they are playing for a new contract. This is Phils decision. And if everybody read between the lines, Phil already said the draft is not as important as free agency. Yes he said you can find a franchise player in the draft, but he didn't say this draft. But I believe Phil thinks we are so bad, even if we play with energy, we will still lose. And if we win, then he knows who he can bring back....And will probably pull off some kind of draft day trade, for multiple picks or players in return, if we fall out of the top 3.....Thats just my gut feeling. So I agree, its out of our control.....Its a Phil decision to simply shut down your best player(s) if they are truly in TANK MODE.

blkexec wrote:

nixluva wrote:I don't think there's any tanking plan at all. They seem to be functioning normally without regard for draft position or fear of losing players like Shved. That's just the feeling I get from the actions they've taken. I think the Knicks are playing it straight and letting he chips fall where they may. It may scare the hell out of us but that seems to be what they're doing. It's clear by how the players are playing that they haven't gotten any idea that they should be holding back of letting up. They're going hard in every game. Just so happens they won this one, but they seemed to be trying in all the losses too.

I wouldn't really worry about it. There's nothing we can do. Minny and Philly will probably try to tank in their games against us, but I don't get the feeling that the Knicks will do that. It's going to be up to the other teams the Knicks face to actually play to win.

Nix....if you had kids at home, a wife cooking diner and bills to pay....Are you going to care about tanking?

Tanking is not something players control. Thats an upper management decision. Fisher level and below.....They are all playing within their contract. As for the rest, they are playing for a new contract. This is Phils decision. And if everybody read between the lines, Phil already said the draft is not as important as free agency. Yes he said you can find a franchise player in the draft, but he didn't say this draft. But I believe Phil thinks we are so bad, even if we play with energy, we will still lose. And if we win, then he knows who he can bring back....And will probably pull off some kind of draft day trade, for multiple picks or players in return, if we fall out of the top 3.....Thats just my gut feeling. So I agree, its out of our control.....Its a Phil decision to simply shut down your best player(s) if they are truly in TANK MODE.

I think Phil realizes the draft can be important but he also knows that nothing he does can really control which pick he gets, with the exception of the worst overall record locking in a top 4. Also Phil knows that nothing is guaranteed with drafted players either. Sure we all think we know how good these young players will be but it's not guaranteed. This is why Phil is counting more on what he can get in Free Agency. He'll be dealing with proven talent and that's just the reality of the situation. Still hope it all works out that we get that draft pick we all want and also do well in Free Agency.

again it really all depends on who we draft... depending on how these next couple of games go it could literally be anybody now...

Finestrg wrote:Well how does it work exactly? He's our player and a RFA with a QO next year of approx. $4mm. So another team can come along and offer up more I guess, right? He is a FA after all, right? Restricted or not... How high can another team go? Poison pill level? Go back to that Shved vid someone posted the other day, I think after the Denver game maybe? That Australian dude or whatever--big Knicks fan who puts highlight vids together--mentioned something like we could wait on Shved until after we use up all our cap room rebuilding, then forgo Alexey's QO and sign him back to a Bird right's deal. Is that even possible?? Sounds like he wasn't accounting for Shved to really take off the way he has and wasn't accounting for other teams' possible interest. Unbelievable huh -- we find a diamond in the rough here potentially and may not even be able to keep him...WOW.

Finestrg wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Hector wrote:Any team could have has this guy 3 different times this year. I think all teams know what this guy is about.

Do you think it was just divine intervention that The Knicks got him?
Some people may have him as an all star next year but safe to say the GM's out there aren't
sweating trying to sign him out from under The Knicks.

He didnt get the burn anywhere like he is getting here. I also see this guy somewhere in the next 15 having a real eye opening game--like 32 points 8 assists 6 rebounds type. If this kid commits to weight training and honing that jumper--he'll be a very nice player for a team for the next 7-8 years.

Id rather see us keeping his minutes at 24 and keeping the numbers down. I think they can see what he is capable of.

Hector clearly doesn't know much about Shved but Phil and his staff did. The reason you know that is cuz they didn't just get Shved as a throw in. They actually used part of one of the Trade Exceptions in order to get Shved. Those who are pissin on the idea of Shved don't realize that he was targeted and not just a throw in. He's always had talent. He just didn't have the right situation to show what he could do. Here has had that chance and you can see his skills are legit. Like you said BRIGGS, if he can get with a real conditioning program he can really improve his game going forward. I don't think Phil will let him get away. He's a very good fit for this team as Phil had hoped when he used that Trade Exception to get him.

Definitely agree about upping his conditioning and strength. That would help this kid tremendously going forward...So what's the number where we say forget it. Honestly, I don't know if I even wanted to pay him the $4mm QO. We've got a ridiculous amount of retooling to do. And even though he's surprised and looked good--I don't know about committing big money to this kid now all of a sudden.. Now we're looking at much more than that potentially.. I mean WOW man. We just can't catch a friggin' break with anything...So how high do we go? Gimmie a ballpark.

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Hector wrote:Any team could have has this guy 3 different times this year. I think all teams know what this guy is about.

Do you think it was just divine intervention that The Knicks got him?
Some people may have him as an all star next year but safe to say the GM's out there aren't
sweating trying to sign him out from under The Knicks.

He didnt get the burn anywhere like he is getting here. I also see this guy somewhere in the next 15 having a real eye opening game--like 32 points 8 assists 6 rebounds type. If this kid commits to weight training and honing that jumper--he'll be a very nice player for a team for the next 7-8 years.

Id rather see us keeping his minutes at 24 and keeping the numbers down. I think they can see what he is capable of.

Hector clearly doesn't know much about Shved but Phil and his staff did. The reason you know that is cuz they didn't just get Shved as a throw in. They actually used part of one of the Trade Exceptions in order to get Shved. Those who are pissin on the idea of Shved don't realize that he was targeted and not just a throw in. He's always had talent. He just didn't have the right situation to show what he could do. Here has had that chance and you can see his skills are legit. Like you said BRIGGS, if he can get with a real conditioning program he can really improve his game going forward. I don't think Phil will let him get away. He's a very good fit for this team as Phil had hoped when he used that Trade Exception to get him.

Yeah, okay genius. Keep slurping your knick kool aid, maybe you'll get a pat on the head from Alexey while your waiting out side the garden for an autograph.

He's got to raise his fg 5% just to hit 39 for his career - keep working at it son, you'll be at 50% by the time your 60.

Amazing. I'm not even trying to kill this guy, it's just the ways some of you guys suck on him, like you knew all along that he was gonna be some future hall of famer. It's a joke. He was traded twice this year, anyone could have got him, but they're gonna wait 'till the summer just to out bid the Knicks.

Anytime someone does something, they're the next coming of one hall of famer or another.

If you don't suck Knick penis at this place, you're either a troll, or you know nothing, right?

Suckers.

nixluva wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Hector wrote:Any team could have has this guy 3 different times this year. I think all teams know what this guy is about.

Do you think it was just divine intervention that The Knicks got him?
Some people may have him as an all star next year but safe to say the GM's out there aren't
sweating trying to sign him out from under The Knicks.

He didnt get the burn anywhere like he is getting here. I also see this guy somewhere in the next 15 having a real eye opening game--like 32 points 8 assists 6 rebounds type. If this kid commits to weight training and honing that jumper--he'll be a very nice player for a team for the next 7-8 years.

Id rather see us keeping his minutes at 24 and keeping the numbers down. I think they can see what he is capable of.

Hector clearly doesn't know much about Shved but Phil and his staff did. The reason you know that is cuz they didn't just get Shved as a throw in. They actually used part of one of the Trade Exceptions in order to get Shved. Those who are pissin on the idea of Shved don't realize that he was targeted and not just a throw in. He's always had talent. He just didn't have the right situation to show what he could do. Here has had that chance and you can see his skills are legit. Like you said BRIGGS, if he can get with a real conditioning program he can really improve his game going forward. I don't think Phil will let him get away. He's a very good fit for this team as Phil had hoped when he used that Trade Exception to get him.

Definitely agree about upping his conditioning and strength. That would help this kid tremendously going forward...So what's the number where we say forget it. Honestly, I don't know if I even wanted to pay him the $4mm QO. We've got a ridiculous amount of retooling to do. And even though he's surprised and looked good--I don't know about committing big money to this kid now all of a sudden.. Now we're looking at much more than that potentially.. I mean WOW man. We just can't catch a friggin' break with anything...So how high do we go? Gimmie a ballpark.

I think Phil will already talk to his agent about holding off until after he makes his other Free Agent Moves and then he can resign him to whatever he wants using his Bird Rights. If he does that he can have his starting role in NY with the money he wants as well. It's a good spot for him and would be good form to show a bit of loyalty to the man who gave you your big break. Shved was on his way out of the league before this showcase.

Good points. Hopefully Shved and his agent look at it like that. You know the deal though, Nix: money talks. Say Shved agrees to hold off initially so we can reshape the roster but then a week or 2 later, someone comes at him strong with a 4 yr/$24mm deal....What do we do then?? What's he supposed to do there, not sign that offer sheet? I just wasn't counting on that type of pressure from another team. A little bit to think about now. Hey, I guess it's a good thing in a way -- who would've thought we'd be talking about one of our own players on this crumby roster like this -- as a guy who may get some nice offers from suitors around the league.