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3/12/2015  2:06 PM
“He’s awfully good and I think he’s going to get so much better,” Bilas said.

“He’s got a ceiling that is so high, I don’t see that he’s anywhere near as good as he’s going to be and he’s the best player in college basketball right now.”

One NBA executive told SNY.tv of Okafor: “Okafor is future All-Star and franchise center. He’s as close as anyone [to Tim Duncan] as anyone has ever been at this stage.”

The Duncan comparisons have come fast and furious for Okafor, with Duke assistant Jeff Capel telling the New York Times that Okafor is ahead of the Spurs big man at this stage of their careers.

“I played against Duncan, and Okafor, I think, is much more advanced as a freshman than Tim was,” Capel said. “I haven’t seen an offensive big guy in college basketball with gifts that Jahlil has at this age — and I recruited and coached Blake Griffin at Oklahoma.

“Offensively, I think Jahlil is off the charts. Obviously, Duncan had an advantage in the areas of defense and rebounding.”

Bilas tends to agree with comparisons to both Duncan and Al Jefferson.

“As a freshman at his age, I think he’s more advanced offensively than either one of them,” Bilas said.

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3/12/2015  2:09 PM
What about the defense?
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3/12/2015  2:11 PM
yea... all this. Guys who have already picked Towns as their golden mooby see this as an attack. Passing on OK who is doing what he's doing is lunacy. Towns is a great prospect. OK4 is a superstar toying with his peers.
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3/12/2015  2:17 PM
I really just wonder about Okafur's defense, as do many who look closer at him as a TOTAL player.
Offensively, he is going to be nothing short of incredible imo. But, what happens at the other end of the floor.
Sometimes having great offense and great defense is better than incredible offense and so so defense.
I hope we get more of an idea here as if we do get the #1 pick, it puts a great deal of pressure on the franchise.
If we get the #2 pick and he is off the boards, I grab Towns with little thought (outside of what Russell or Mudiay do the rest of the year.)
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3/12/2015  2:18 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:What about the defense?

Allan--here's my take on Okafor's D. He needs to shed 10 pounds and work agility drills to expand lateral speed. Hes 19 years old. He also plays pretty solid 1-1 defense for a freshmen. I think with a 10 pd reduction to 260 and time spent building lateral agility and timing--he'd be a fine defender in the NBA. How good was Karl Malone on defense? Pretty good but they had a solid rim protector next to him.

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3/12/2015  2:23 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/12/2015  2:26 PM
fishmike wrote:yea... all this. Guys who have already picked Towns as their golden mooby see this as an attack. Passing on OK who is doing what he's doing is lunacy. Towns is a great prospect. OK4 is a superstar toying with his peers.

You talking about me? Where did I say I have a problem drafting Ok4? I prefer Towns because of his multiple dimensional abilities. I already made it clear OK4 has an NBA ready offensice game
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3/12/2015  2:27 PM
People compare him to Al Jefferson, but could he be a bit more like Z-Bo? He didn't defend much either, neither was he particularly athletic even in his youth, but he showed your team can still have great success with scoring and rebounding at PF
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gunsnewing wrote:
fishmike wrote:yea... all this. Guys who have already picked Towns as their golden mooby see this as an attack. Passing on OK who is doing what he's doing is lunacy. Towns is a great prospect. OK4 is a superstar toying with his peers.

You talking about me? Where did I say I have a problem drafting Ok4? I prefer Towns because of his multiple dimensional abilities. I already made it clear OK4 has an NBA ready offensice game

if you would take Towns over OK4 right now then yes, Im talking about you.

Read the above again... Bilas is pretty respected. Its just one opinion. Look at the data. Taking a 9ppg 6reb project over a polished star at the same age toying with his competition is lunacy. You cant convince me of any sound thinking there. When was the last time that was done? Marvin Williams over CP3 and Deron. Wow.

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3/12/2015  2:32 PM
fishmike wrote:yea... all this. Guys who have already picked Towns as their golden mooby see this as an attack. Passing on OK who is doing what he's doing is lunacy. Towns is a great prospect. OK4 is a superstar toying with his peers.

I agree...OK4 is the best college prospect in the draft. He's proven that, over all the other guys in the draft. So as a Towns guy, I don't see this as a knock on Towns. But I would still pick Towns over OK4. It's a gamble I'm willing to make, based on all the other college greats that came to the NBA and never reached their potential. But I do go back and forth between these two.....It's really a toss up. Do you gamble with Towns who will fill up the stats with blocks, rebounds, points, assist, or pick OK4 since you know what you get in a low post scorer who demands double teams, and you know what to work on as far as defense. I think they both have Hall A Fame potential. But who will impact the game more in their rookie contract years (during Phil and Melo era). Towns has multiple ways to impact an NBA game...OK4 is just a post player right now who will impact the offense. I'm happy with either one, but as a diffensive guy, I'm always leaning towards defense....especially when Towns is no scrub on offense....

If we get OK4, then we need to add a defensive player to fill in the major defensive weakness of OK4 and Melo. Otherwise, players will be able to get to the rim, the same way they do now with Bargs or when Amari playing center. It's like OK4 doesn't exist on defense, from what I saw. And thats an on going problem with the knicks old culture. All about scoring and nothing on defense. Melo's no trade clause hurts our ability to move Melo for a defensive center, while OK4 would be our PF.

C- (Monroe)
PF- OK4
SF- Melo

C- (Monroe)
PF- Towns
SF- Melo

C- Towns
PF- Melo
SF- ????

C- (Monroe)
PF- Melo
SF-
SG-
PG- Russell

Man, that FA pickup is key to our rebuild. It's not the pick. As you can see, regardless who we pick, it will fill a need. The problem with going big, it leaves a huge hole at PG. Picking Russell and hopefully getting Monroe, brings balance to your roster at two key positions.

I don't know.....we have too many unknowns for me, at this early stage. Knowing where we will pick would help! I don't trust the FA guards this year. But between FA's and the draft, this is a good year to add a few quality bigs.

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3/12/2015  2:33 PM
smackeddog wrote:People compare him to Al Jefferson, but could he be a bit more like Z-Bo? He didn't defend much either, neither was he particularly athletic even in his youth, but he showed your team can still have great success with scoring and rebounding at PF
No... a much better scoring Andrew Bynum. Big long strong body with quick feet (pre-injuy) but OK4 has post moves Bynum has never had... but that type of physical player. OK4 will get plenty of blocks and rebs.
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3/12/2015  2:33 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/12/2015  2:35 PM
Had he said something about his ability to defend NBA bigs I would put more stock into what he is saying. It's pretty clear he is light years ahead of most 19yr olds offensively. I don't need Jay Bilas to tell me that. If you are going to compare him to Duncan offensively at least gives us a slight idea about how he defends in comparison to Duncan who was a beast defensively in college. I don't trust his opinions anymore than I trust the opinions of some posters here who've been watching ok4 all year
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3/12/2015  2:34 PM
fishmike wrote:yea... all this. Guys who have already picked Towns as their golden mooby see this as an attack. Passing on OK who is doing what he's doing is lunacy. Towns is a great prospect. OK4 is a superstar toying with his peers.

thanks for the heads up.

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3/12/2015  2:45 PM
Either player will be special. Im not unhappy either way 95%+++ Knick fans would be thrilled with either
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3/12/2015  2:51 PM
ok4 is good but there is just not that much evidence to suggest he's better than towns... i'm sorry.. defense counts a good deal for a center...

and bilas doesn't really know what he's talking about when he talks about prospects..
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3/12/2015  2:54 PM
Every time I watch Okafor I switch to wanting Okafor. Then I watch Towns and I switch back to Towns. I will be happy with either one. If we get the #1 pick then Uncle Phil has a big decision to make.
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3/12/2015  3:04 PM
FistOfOakley wrote:ok4 is good but there is just not that much evidence to suggest he's better than towns... i'm sorry.. defense counts a good deal for a center...

and bilas doesn't really know what he's talking about when he talks about prospects..

yeah Im sure anyone here knows more than Bilas.

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3/12/2015  3:08 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
FistOfOakley wrote:ok4 is good but there is just not that much evidence to suggest he's better than towns... i'm sorry.. defense counts a good deal for a center...

and bilas doesn't really know what he's talking about when he talks about prospects..

yeah Im sure anyone here knows more than Bilas.

Is this sarcasm? Just wondering how you really feel about Bilas
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3/12/2015  3:13 PM
fishmike wrote:yea... all this. Guys who have already picked Towns as their golden mooby see this as an attack. Passing on OK who is doing what he's doing is lunacy. Towns is a great prospect. OK4 is a superstar toying with his peers.

so like picking emeka ok4 over dwight?
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3/12/2015  3:17 PM
OK4 and Towns are both top flight Prospects. We'd be fortunate to get either one. I think people overdo the OK4 defense thing. He's not terrible. He's just not the shot blocker that Towns is. It really wouldn't stop me from taking him. I think OK4 is going to be so dominant offensively by the time he is fully developed. Towns will also be a very good all around offensive player and defender so it would be great to have him in the fold. It's just great to even be talking about the possibility of getting one of them given how we're usually on the outside looking in with no shot.
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3/12/2015  3:23 PM
FistOfOakley wrote:ok4 is good but there is just not that much evidence to suggest he's better than towns... i'm sorry.. defense counts a good deal for a center...

and bilas doesn't really know what he's talking about when he talks about prospects..

The fact that he's dominated other NBA prospects on a consistent basis is't enough evidence that OK4 will e better than Towns? We know OK4 is going to dominate each game. We're still guessing what Towns is going to be from game to game. I can't even project the role of Towns at the next level. Bilas has played college basketball and he watches more tape than this board put together. He's not Chad Ford. Wingspan jokes aside, his observations are usually grounded in reality.

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