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knicks1248
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3/4/2015  9:28 AM
If Fisher goes into next season with more talent, and it results in pretty much the same record maybe slightly better, is that when phil should fire him. I think phil is going to have to hire a back up plan this off season. I'm not sure if that's the approach Glen took when he hired Mike woodson, but I have zero confidence in any of the current assistants, and the fact that he hired them as,assistant despite having more experience, is a good indication he doesn't have faith in them either.

Some think that I go out my way to bash fisher, but it's starting to become a no brainer. I like the guy, and wish phil hired as an assistant, but he's a long long way from being a head coach, and the quicker he's relieved, the quicker the transformation can start.

Rookies teaching Rookies is about as assinine as one can get. You certainly wouldn't have your 9 yr old taking care of your 3 yr old..smh

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3/4/2015  9:31 AM
dude, this hard on is ridiculous. the team sucks, the starting lineup, is filled with several d-league guys. what the **** do you expect from fisher? he's a rookie coach, learning the ropes. chill the **** out and start worrying about the roster instead of the coach.
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3/4/2015  9:33 AM
nyk4ever wrote:dude, this hard on is ridiculous. the team sucks, the starting lineup, is filled with several d-league guys. what the **** do you expect from fisher? he's a rookie coach, learning the ropes. chill the **** out and start worrying about the roster instead of the coach.

+1

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3/4/2015  9:34 AM
Thank you

nyk4ever wrote:dude, this hard on is ridiculous. the team sucks, the starting lineup, is filled with several d-league guys. what the **** do you expect from fisher? he's a rookie coach, learning the ropes. chill the **** out and start worrying about the roster instead of the coach.

Coaches do not get outrebounded or shoot 2-20 from three point range.

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3/4/2015  9:38 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:dude, this hard on is ridiculous. the team sucks, the starting lineup, is filled with several d-league guys. what the **** do you expect from fisher? he's a rookie coach, learning the ropes. chill the **** out and start worrying about the roster instead of the coach.

+1

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knicks1248
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3/4/2015  9:45 AM
nyk4ever wrote:dude, this hard on is ridiculous. the team sucks, the starting lineup, is filled with several d-league guys. what the **** do you expect from fisher? he's a rookie coach, learning the ropes. chill the **** out and start worrying about the roster instead of the coach.

Can't believe you guys can't see through the bull sht, you guys brains are so wrap around tanking and this one draft pick, that you actually think it's just because of the roster.

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3/4/2015  9:47 AM
"Talent" is vague. A lot of people would say Bargnani or Eddy Curry is talented.
If the team drastically underachieves relative to the model projections, maybe this is a relevant discussion.
Otherwise, if the team is still bad next year, maybe Phil should fire himself.
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3/4/2015  9:50 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:dude, this hard on is ridiculous. the team sucks, the starting lineup, is filled with several d-league guys. what the **** do you expect from fisher? he's a rookie coach, learning the ropes. chill the **** out and start worrying about the roster instead of the coach.

Can't believe you guys can't see through the bull sht, you guys brains are so wrap around tanking and this one draft pick, that you actually think it's just because of the roster.

no, i see right-through your bull**** pretty easily. you don't even know what you are talking about. all you say is, fisher is bad. pretty easy to say the coach is bad when the record is what it is ...IF you don't actually know what you're talking about. watch closely next game and point out a number of things that you see fisher doing wrong.

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3/4/2015  10:08 AM
nyk4ever wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:dude, this hard on is ridiculous. the team sucks, the starting lineup, is filled with several d-league guys. what the **** do you expect from fisher? he's a rookie coach, learning the ropes. chill the **** out and start worrying about the roster instead of the coach.

Can't believe you guys can't see through the bull sht, you guys brains are so wrap around tanking and this one draft pick, that you actually think it's just because of the roster.

no, i see right-through your bull**** pretty easily. you don't even know what you are talking about. all you say is, fisher is bad. pretty easy to say the coach is bad when the record is what it is ...IF you don't actually know what you're talking about. watch closely next game and point out a number of things that you see fisher doing wrong.

what is he doing right?

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3/4/2015  10:21 AM
Fisher is the perfect coach for this team. He is even keel and unassuming. He as well as everyone knows this is arguably the worst roster ever assembled but Fish is not going to rock the boat. Another cosch would be embarrassed and pressure the front office into a quick fix. Phil & Fish are on the same page. Fish is going nowhere until the roster improves and the knicks miss the playoffs next year. So no point in even discussing his job status til then
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3/4/2015  10:24 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:dude, this hard on is ridiculous. the team sucks, the starting lineup, is filled with several d-league guys. what the **** do you expect from fisher? he's a rookie coach, learning the ropes. chill the **** out and start worrying about the roster instead of the coach.

+1

yeah, we have the worst roster in the league. The coach is the furthest thing from the problem right now.

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3/4/2015  10:53 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:"Talent" is vague. A lot of people would say Bargnani or Eddy Curry is talented.
If the team drastically underachieves relative to the model projections, maybe this is a relevant discussion.
Otherwise, if the team is still bad next year, maybe Phil should fire himself.

We've learned- we no longer accept the Isaiah Thomas definition of talent (Eddy Curry, Bargs, etc).

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3/4/2015  11:01 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/4/2015  11:02 AM
We are Knicks, we need to fire somebody every 2 years so you have that. Hard to build when you have a new roster/coach/gm/system every other year.
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3/4/2015  11:19 AM
Fisher's real clock won't start until next year IMO. Until we see a roster that has starting quality talent how can we really tell how much is the coach and how much is the players? I could sit on the bench and coach with the right talent on the floor. The better the players the better the coach will look. It's not like Kerr is making Steph Curry hit ridiculous shots every night. Curry is just that good. Now Kerr can maximize the way the team functions so that they reach their full potential but it would still be a good team pretty much no matter who was coaching cuz they're loaded with talent. With Phil taking over the Bulls you could judge his impact and the same is true with Kerr in GS or Pop in SA. It's not like they could make a horrid team great, but they can help push a very good team higher and that's what you want from your Coach. We won't know if Fish is capable of doing that for a good while. There are a lot of talent levels between the bottom of the league where the Knicks are now and Good.
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3/4/2015  11:22 AM
misterearl wrote:Thank you

nyk4ever wrote:dude, this hard on is ridiculous. the team sucks, the starting lineup, is filled with several d-league guys. what the **** do you expect from fisher? he's a rookie coach, learning the ropes. chill the **** out and start worrying about the roster instead of the coach.

Coaches do not get outrebounded or shoot 2-20 from three point range.

+1 billion

Or go -40. Poor Langston, that's got to be some sort of record.

Howabout we give Fisher at least two cups of spilled pepsi?

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3/4/2015  11:40 AM
AS Fisher gets more talent, he will win. If not, he will not coach.
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3/4/2015  11:55 AM
is there a cap on management/coaching staff and development caoches/training staff?

If not, do we pay Brian Shaw close to HEAD COACH money in order to get him while it may also cause a rift of power similar to what we experienced with Tebow and Sanchez?
Shaw was a huge part of the reason why Indiana was successfull though they had talent to actually develop and were young, so they didn't have bad habits and had to change their approach to their game with habits from a typical system

Management never gave Shaw a roster thtat had the tools to execute the Triangle and Shaw never actually ran the Triangle knowing he lacked the skill sets to do so, especially with the injuries with Wilson Chandler and Gallo throughout the years...
The Denver Nugggets have an uptempo fast paced roster that fits an uptempo system like for Dantoni, with Lawson being the best player on the roster
In the end, he loss the team and the team lost faith in Shaw and his system....

While The Pacer's had and have multiple post options in David West, Paul George, and Roy Hibbert, in addition to a BIG shooter to facilitate the OFFENSE in George Hill
Like the Triangle, they do not initate their OFFENSE through the PnR or through the PG's ability to penetrate, while The Pacers best years were with Shaw as the lead assistant
They always had MULTIPLE BIGS like in Phil Jackson's eras with players like Roy Hibbert, Mahimi, Scola, Lavoy Allen, and a stretch 4 in Copleand *similar on OFFENSE to what Horry did though not the same player on DEFENSE/REBOUNDING/CUTTING
They continued to run similar philosophies without Shaw though, as they always have been a very good defensive team and rebounding team but the loss of Shaw surely hurt their execution
Even as a YOUNG team, they constantly made it to the Eastern Conference Finals, losing to Lebron almost every year, coming down to the last shot in a 6-7 game series, with games going down to the last shot almost every game/every year
However, the development of Lance Stephenson and loss of Shaw, slightly changed their system, with Stepehnson's ability to penetrate/faciltate, often playing the PG role with shooters and post players
They successfull in the regular season, they eventually went away from the POST UP's and less touches for both David West and Roy Hibbert, with the development of Paul George as the #1 as well playing a Tmac Role
George Hill became a player to spread the floor, sacrificing his abilities to more touches for Stephenson and right now we are seeing why George Hill was traded for a early/middle 1st rounder and has had more responsiblities since he got back healthy and in NBA shape, with George sidelined
That is why they their system didn't like talents like Darren Collison and DJ Augustine who both have done very well on other teams, though their are borderline Starter PG's and GREAT BACKUP PG's

While I want Shaw, I do not know if Shaw would like to join the NYK's not knowing if we can attain/attract the pieces needed to execute the Triangle, especially with CA's health/role being a big question mark while he is being paid TOP NOTCH money, while he isn't a leader or a good defensive player...

Does he really want to take his chances and put his career on the line, joining a team that could add more losses to his career, as we clearly are one of the worst teams in the NBA, without many future picks that we can develop/draft with high potentia
It will not help his coaching career if joins a staff/team that do not do well with 2 consective teams
Would it be better if he takes his talents to another team, maybe Bulls, who has the players to execute the system* or join the Pacer's as the lead assistant where he has familiarity with the players estabilished already, where he doesn't have to worry about lack of motivation/proffesionalistm and trust from his players....

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3/4/2015  11:59 AM
wow. You lost me at the Jets analogy.
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3/4/2015  12:00 PM
this guy is being paid 1 million less then pop and he's the 4th highest paid coach in the league, 12 fckng wins, phill could have gotten any space cadet to coach 12 wins.
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3/4/2015  12:01 PM
"I, a Knick fan need to lay upon blame to whom ever is responsible for this mess!!!!! I cast thy doubt because I cannot see what has yet to exist!"

"The one they call FISH has never coached. His assistants are losers who can't procure a gig of their own! So what they have much bline amung them!"

"Phil, what has he ever done!!!"

"We need to get back to NY Knick Basketball"

"What would Oak do"!

"We need someone different, but I cannot say whom!"

"I am correct to say what we need because its abstract and vague and without specific recommondations I am unaccountable, and thus, never wrong!"

whats your time line for fisher

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