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StarksEwing1
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2/28/2015  10:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/28/2015  10:16 PM
First off let me say i HATE losing. Usually i would never root for losses. But maybe if the knicks did their job in the first half of the year we wouldnt be in this spot. Sure cap space is nice but doesnt guarantee anything especially since the top free agents will likely resign. We need a impact player like okafor towns or russell
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2/28/2015  10:23 PM
The team with the worst record won the top pick 3 times since 1990..Enjoy the ride..
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2/28/2015  10:25 PM
holfresh wrote:The team with the worst record won the top pick 3 times since 1990..Enjoy the ride..
Agree. Beating the raptors is always awesome especially when they rest their best player because they are playing the Knicks.
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2/28/2015  10:25 PM
At this moment it is really between us phily and the the wolves and we still have the worst record so we good.
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2/28/2015  10:28 PM
holfresh wrote:The team with the worst record won the top pick 3 times since 1990..Enjoy the ride..
thats true but we could easily see ourselves out of top 4 if we win more
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2/28/2015  10:29 PM
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holfresh wrote:The team with the worst record won the top pick 3 times since 1990..Enjoy the ride..
Agree. Beating the raptors is always awesome especially when they rest their best player because they are playing the Knicks.
not sure why its so awesome. Toronto already raped us in the bargs deal
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2/28/2015  10:34 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
holfresh wrote:The team with the worst record won the top pick 3 times since 1990..Enjoy the ride..
Agree. Beating the raptors is always awesome especially when they rest their best player because they are playing the Knicks.
not sure why its so awesome. Toronto already raped us in the bargs deal
What if the Bargs deal leads to the Knicks getting a top 3 pick this year and Bargs is resigned next year for a reasonable deal and has a good career in NY? He has looked great for two consecutive games. He definitely has been a disappointment but his value is very low and there is a lot of upside if he can stay healthy. It would be nice if it worked out that way.
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2/28/2015  10:43 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
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holfresh wrote:The team with the worst record won the top pick 3 times since 1990..Enjoy the ride..
Agree. Beating the raptors is always awesome especially when they rest their best player because they are playing the Knicks.
not sure why its so awesome. Toronto already raped us in the bargs deal
What if the Bargs deal leads to the Knicks getting a top 3 pick this year and Bargs is resigned next year for a reasonable deal and has a good career in NY? He has looked great for two consecutive games. He definitely has been a disappointment but his value is very low and there is a lot of upside if he can stay healthy. It would be nice if it worked out that way.
yes but the knicks are starting to win now which makes me nervous
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2/28/2015  10:47 PM
Bargs biggest issue has been health. He had a series of injuries that robbed him of being able to properly prepare in the off season and each time it set him back and he had to start all over again trying to get his conditioning and timing back. Now he's finally getting his confidence back. He had stretches even last year when he started to show what he could do if healthy but he got injured again and went back to zero.

As for the draft lets just say that this team is going to be in the lottery no matter what they do. Winning a few games won't change that. I'd rather see the team at least show that we have some quality young players still developing and some role players who should be brought back at very low prices. That's a net win for this team if it works out that way.


Denver	        20	38	.345	26 ½	12-17	8-21	4-8	13-21	99.5	104.3	-4.8	Lost 5	1-9
Orlando	        19	41	.317	28 ½	9-19	10-22	4-9	12-26	95.6	101.1	-5.5	Lost 2	4-6
LA Lakers	16	41	.281	30	9-19	7-22	2-9	7-29	99.6	106.0	-6.4	Won 3	3-7
Philadelphia	13	45	.224	33 ½	8-20	5-25	1-10	9-27	90.3	100.7	-10.4	Won 1	3-7
Minnesota	13	45	.224	33 ½	8-22	5-23	2-7	5-29	97.7	105.5	-7.8	Lost 2	5-5
New York	12	46	.207	34 ½	8-21	4-25	4-7	8-30	93.0	100.9	-7.9	Won 2	2-8
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2/28/2015  10:47 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
holfresh wrote:The team with the worst record won the top pick 3 times since 1990..Enjoy the ride..
Agree. Beating the raptors is always awesome especially when they rest their best player because they are playing the Knicks.
not sure why its so awesome. Toronto already raped us in the bargs deal
What if the Bargs deal leads to the Knicks getting a top 3 pick this year and Bargs is resigned next year for a reasonable deal and has a good career in NY? He has looked great for two consecutive games. He definitely has been a disappointment but his value is very low and there is a lot of upside if he can stay healthy. It would be nice if it worked out that way.
yes but the knicks are starting to win now which makes me nervous
They have to work really hard to win. The talent isn't there for them to win a lot. They will have a top 3 pick. Nice that they are getting rewarded for their hard work. Wins like this are great for these guys and for the coaching staff.
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2/28/2015  10:50 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
holfresh wrote:The team with the worst record won the top pick 3 times since 1990..Enjoy the ride..
Agree. Beating the raptors is always awesome especially when they rest their best player because they are playing the Knicks.
not sure why its so awesome. Toronto already raped us in the bargs deal
What if the Bargs deal leads to the Knicks getting a top 3 pick this year and Bargs is resigned next year for a reasonable deal and has a good career in NY? He has looked great for two consecutive games. He definitely has been a disappointment but his value is very low and there is a lot of upside if he can stay healthy. It would be nice if it worked out that way.
yes but the knicks are starting to win now which makes me nervous

They are 12-46..
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2/28/2015  10:53 PM
I just want to continue to build this team. If this group plays hard for each other....let them play **** it. I can deal with not getting okafor, russell, towns and mundiay....none of those guys have really been that mind blowing truthfully. Of course we'd be better off with one of them. I'm just saying....I could take Willie stein as a consultation price with no problem.
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2/28/2015  10:53 PM
holfresh wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
holfresh wrote:The team with the worst record won the top pick 3 times since 1990..Enjoy the ride..
Agree. Beating the raptors is always awesome especially when they rest their best player because they are playing the Knicks.
not sure why its so awesome. Toronto already raped us in the bargs deal
What if the Bargs deal leads to the Knicks getting a top 3 pick this year and Bargs is resigned next year for a reasonable deal and has a good career in NY? He has looked great for two consecutive games. He definitely has been a disappointment but his value is very low and there is a lot of upside if he can stay healthy. It would be nice if it worked out that way.
yes but the knicks are starting to win now which makes me nervous

They are 12-46..

i understand that but they Won 2 in a row and are only 4 losses behind of la who is trying to tank
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2/28/2015  10:56 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/28/2015  10:58 PM
I was waiting to see who would start this thread....Unbelievable!

I feel sorry for the knick players and management, if they actually read these threads.

This is why I like Phil.....not because of the GM skills, but his strong will to ignore NY fans and stay on course.

Otherwise, any other GM would've did some stupid move, just to try and please everybody. And you can't please people who want to tank...want to lose....but want to win. LMAO

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2/28/2015  11:00 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/28/2015  11:01 PM
blkexec wrote:I was waiting to see who would start this thread....Unbelievable!

I feel sorry for the knick players and management, if they actually read these threads.

This is why I like Phil.....not because of the GM skills, but his strong will to ignore NY fans and stay on course.

would you like to know where phil has been the past few days, he was scouting russell and towns. Im the biggest knick fan out there. I go to at least 5—6 games every year and im not rich so i wouldnt waste money if i hated the team. I simply feel getting a top 3 pick helps get better quicker
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2/28/2015  11:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/28/2015  11:11 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
blkexec wrote:I was waiting to see who would start this thread....Unbelievable!

I feel sorry for the knick players and management, if they actually read these threads.

This is why I like Phil.....not because of the GM skills, but his strong will to ignore NY fans and stay on course.

would you like to know where phil has been the past few days, he was scouting russell and towns. Im the biggest knick fan out there. I go to at least 5—6 games every year and im not rich so i wouldnt waste money if i hated the team. I simply feel getting a top 3 pick helps get better quicker

Year Team Previous season Lottery Probability Player selected
record chances
1985 New York Knicks 24–58 (3rd-worst) — 14.29%[a] Patrick Ewing
1986 Los Angeles Clippers 32–50 (7th-worst) — 14.29%[a] Brad Daugherty
(conveyed to the Cleveland Cavaliersvia Philadelphia 76ers)[b]
1987 San Antonio Spurs 28–54 (4th-worst) — 14.29%[a] David Robinson
1988 Los Angeles Clippers 17–65 (Worst) — 14.29%[a] Danny Manning
1989 Sacramento Kings 27–55 (6th-worst) — 11.11%[c] Pervis Ellison
1990 New Jersey Nets 17–65 (Worst) 11 (out of 66) 16.67% Derrick Coleman
1991 Charlotte Hornets 26–56 (5th-worst) 7 (out of 66) 10.61% Larry Johnson
1992 Orlando Magic 21–61 (2nd-worst) 10 (out of 66) 15.15% Shaquille O'Neal
1993 Orlando Magic 41–41 (11th-worst) 1 (out of 66) 1.52% Chris Webber
1994 Milwaukee Bucks 20–62 (2nd-worst) 163 (out of 1000) 16.30% Glenn Robinson
1995 Golden State Warriors 26–56 (5th-worst) 94 (out of 1000) 9.40% Joe Smith
1996 Philadelphia 76ers 18–64 (2nd-worst) 200 (out of 593)[d] 33.73% Allen Iverson
1997 San Antonio Spurs 20–62 (3rd-worst) 157 (out of 727)[d] 21.60% Tim Duncan
1998 Los Angeles Clippers 17–65 (3rd-worst) 157 (out of 696)[d] 22.56% Michael Olowokandi
1999 Chicago Bulls 13–37[e] (3rd-worst) 157 (out of 1000) 15.70% Elton Brand
2000 New Jersey Nets 31–51 (7th-worst) 44 (out of 1000) 4.40% Kenyon Martin
2001 Washington Wizards 19–63 (3rd-worst) 157 (out of 1000) 15.70% Kwame Brown
2002 Houston Rockets 28–54 (5th-worst) 89 (out of 1000) 8.90% Yao Ming
2003 Cleveland Cavaliers 17–65 (T-Worst) 225 (out of 1000) 22.50% LeBron James
2004 Orlando Magic 21–61 (Worst) 250 (out of 1000) 25.00% Dwight Howard
2005 Milwaukee Bucks 30–52 (6th-worst) 63 (out of 1000) 6.30% Andrew Bogut
2006 Toronto Raptors 27–55 (5th-worst) 88 (out of 1000) 8.80% Andrea Bargnani
2007 Portland Trail Blazers 32–50 (6th-worst) 53 (out of 1000) 5.30% Greg Oden
2008 Chicago Bulls 33–49 (9th-worst) 17 (out of 1000) 1.70% Derrick Rose
2009 Los Angeles Clippers 19–63 (2nd-worst)[f] 177 (out of 1000) 17.70% Blake Griffin
2010 Washington Wizards 26–56 (5th-worst) 103 (out of 1000) 10.30% John Wall
2011 Los Angeles Clippers 32–50 (8th-worst) 28 (out of 1000) 2.80% Kyrie Irving
(conveyed to the Cleveland Cavaliers)[g]
2012 New Orleans Hornets 21–45[h] (T-3rd-worst) 137 (out of 1000) 13.70% Anthony Davis
2013 Cleveland Cavaliers 24–58 (3rd-worst) 156 (out of 1000) 15.60% Anthony Bennett
2014 Cleveland Cavaliers 33–49 (9th-worst) 17 (out of 1000) 1.70% Andrew Wiggins


The only thing tanking guarantees is a losing culture....It doesn't guarantee a top pick, that's for sure.

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2/28/2015  11:21 PM
Damn man golden state got chris weber with the 11th worse record? I think that would kill me a little bit inside
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2/28/2015  11:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/28/2015  11:30 PM
EnySpree wrote:Damn man golden state got chris weber with the 11th worse record? I think that would kill me a little bit inside
Yeah but it ruined them. Nellie made all his guys talk to the press and cweb wouldn't. Nellie ended being fired and Weber ended up being traded. A buddy of mine had the warriors beat back then and said Nellie was an amazing person and coach. He has a great story about going to Nellie's house to do a story on him and having dinner with Nellie and Pop.
***The guy I know was the fill in reporter for the Warriors. He covered high school ball but got to go to Nellie's house and did cover the warriors a lot. He also covered them when Karl coached them and PJ.
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2/28/2015  11:48 PM
getting the worst record guarantees a top 4 pick and a high chance at top 3...

even getting the 2nd worst record could be really really bad.... if we get pick 5 there is a stark drop off...

winning is the worst thing we could be doing... i do have a lot of faith that we will have the worst record but we can't be winning too many more games...
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3/1/2015  12:15 AM
Jackson is getting a truck load of grief from fans and the media for the worst season in the history of this franchise. There is so much losing you can ask of a member of the last Knicks championship squad.

The way things are playing out right now, we should have a top 3 pick. The team with the worst record more often than not doesn't get the first pick in the draft so ignoring the players on the roster now, thinking about losing and nothing else, won't accomplish very much.
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