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Ira
Posts: 24688 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 8/14/2001 Member: #91 |
2/26/2015 4:56 PM
Thanks for posting this. He makes it look so easy.
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
2/26/2015 5:32 PM
Come on lucky lotto balls!!! It sucks that it's up to chance but at least we're in the pool. This kid would look great in a Knicks jersey.
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Bonn1997
Posts: 58654 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 2/2/2004 Member: #581 USA |
2/26/2015 6:48 PM
Not sure what to make of that. A few of the shots were really impressive. Some of the other shots were with a low release point and would probably be blocked in the NBA. Then a few were awful point blank misses.
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
2/26/2015 6:52 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:Not sure what to make of that. A few of the shots were really impressive. Some of the other shots were with a low release point and would probably be blocked in the NBA. Then a few were awful point blank misses. Yeah OK |
Dude you gotta be kidding. You do realize that he's 6-11 with a 7'-5" wingspan and 9'-2.5" standing reach. He's also 270lbs. He only makes it look easy, but really defenders will have a tough time with his girth and length. Sure he'll face some tougher defenders in the NBA but really how many good post defenders are there in the NBA? Please list all the great defenders he's gonna have to deal with on a nightly basis.|
Stevo718
Posts: 20456 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/21/2004 Member: #559 |
2/27/2015 12:42 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:Not sure what to make of that. A few of the shots were really impressive. Some of the other shots were with a low release point and would probably be blocked in the NBA. Then a few were awful point blank misses. I agree... I just can't say with absolute confidence that his game will translate the same way at the NBA level... Its like he just barely scores against college athletes... His scoring is just stretching his body over opponents barely, i cant picture him doing well against tall athletic centers, just size alone doesn't guarantee success in the NBA... Jerome James ring a bell? He has the same spin moves cept with slightly different variations. Towns also gives me the same uneasiness. On the other hand Russell and Mudiay I have without a shadow of a doubt that they will be all stars in the NBA... If we have the first pick I'd definitely pick Okafor and trade him for Russell or Mudiay plus something else. |
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BigRedDog
Posts: 22195 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 1/23/2004 Member: #569 |
2/27/2015 12:50 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:Not sure what to make of that. A few of the shots were really impressive. Some of the other shots were with a low release point and would probably be blocked in the NBA. Then a few were awful point blank misses. Dude good thing you aren't a scout. Not sure what you were looking at. I saw some quick offensive moves, great hands, Good power and balance when getting hit, ran the floor well, nice 10' ft outside shot. Really you weren't impressed at all? fishmike
9/27/2024 11:00 PM
Ug I hate this. The idea of Towns is great until you see what a pussy he is. Jules is a dog. DD was a flamethrower locked up cheap for 3 more years.
First Leon move I hate
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tj23
Posts: 21851 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 4/20/2010 Member: #3119 |
2/27/2015 2:05 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:Not sure what to make of that. A few of the shots were really impressive. Some of the other shots were with a low release point and would probably be blocked in the NBA. Then a few were awful point blank misses. I thought the same thing watching that. Definitely a very skilled player but there are some flaws. I've seen numerous times where he doesn't get rid of the ball when the double is coming. Plus he's going to have to work a bit harder to score against some bigs that are going to be more athletic than him. He's still my 1st or 2nd pick though. |
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Splat
Posts: 23774 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2014 Member: #5862 |
2/27/2015 2:16 AM
If his highlight reels included more blocks and assists that would make him more compelling. So far, it seems every reel is the same with him taking on double teams. He's still a high pick, but if he's a one-way player he'll ultimately appeal mostly to easy to impress fans or GMs who draft for firepower alone.
The Duncan comparisons don't make much sense. Duncan was very dangerous on offense because he has the mentality of a classic pivot man who can pass out of the low post. And Duncan is a great post and help defender. I don't know if Okafor shows any of those qualities yet, mostly just an elite nose for the basket. He looks very much like a one-on-one player at this point. I've got a fever and the only prescription is more cowbell!
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Bonn1997
Posts: 58654 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 2/2/2004 Member: #581 USA |
2/27/2015 7:18 AM LAST EDITED: 2/27/2015 7:23 AM
Stevo718 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Not sure what to make of that. A few of the shots were really impressive. Some of the other shots were with a low release point and would probably be blocked in the NBA. Then a few were awful point blank misses. The new CPR ratings, which have an excellent track record, were just released and have Russell in 1st and little ahead of Okafor. http://www.basketballanalyticsbook.com/2015/02/20/updated-midseason-college-prospect-ratings-cpr-russell-and-okafor-on-top/ Stephen Shea argues out that after taking into account position scarcity (top centers are rare) Okafor is still the better pick. |
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
2/27/2015 7:44 AM
Splat wrote:If his highlight reels included more blocks and assists that would make him more compelling. So far, it seems every reel is the same with him taking on double teams. He's still a high pick, but if he's a one-way player he'll ultimately appeal mostly to easy to impress fans or GMs who draft for firepower alone. Okafor is five miles ahead of Duncan at the same stage on offense. Let's be serious about this player--hes off the charts for a freshmen. Hes going to be a guy who will help an NBA team right away. I think why there are some people who now prefer KAT over him is that he shows a two way game at a fairly high level. I think once he streamlines his body there is no reason why he cant be a good 1-1 defender. Hes going to be a very solid rebounder--he's already a good passer--he just hasnt shown lateral quickness D poor timing/slow reaction on D but hes been ok in the 1-1 battles hes had. You'd like to see more shotblocking from a 6=10 man with a 7-5 wingspan. I also noticed from watching him so many times that he runs the floor hard going to the offensive end and not so much the defensive end. So I think you are talking defensive fundamentals here. If we are LUCKY enough to be in position to get him, perhaps in year 1 we hire an assistant who can help develop his defensive game over the SL and summer time. Hes going to score 20 points right away in the nBA and command respect from other teams in the post. If we can surround him with shooters--he'll have an avenue to score and pass out of--and the backside will be open for drive penetration(if we find a player who can actually drive the ball. If we need to run a variance to the triangle because we have Melo and Okafor--than you just put it in. He's a good passer a great scorer and a solid rebounder. RIP Crushalot😞
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Splat
Posts: 23774 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2014 Member: #5862 |
2/27/2015 8:23 AM
BRIGGS wrote:Splat wrote:If his highlight reels included more blocks and assists that would make him more compelling. So far, it seems every reel is the same with him taking on double teams. He's still a high pick, but if he's a one-way player he'll ultimately appeal mostly to easy to impress fans or GMs who draft for firepower alone. He's a specimen and I do agree he will score in the NBA. I don't think he plays particularly big at his size. He looks more like a guy with simply fantastic footwork, an uncanny pivot move and superb hands at the rim. So he has the tools to adjust at a higher level and keep scoring. It's hard to say no to that, but if Towns is two-way in any way near the level of an Anthony Davis, doesn't that have more of a potential impact on building a contender? If Okafor does become a top defender then he probably is the best choice. You're better at this stuff than I am. I've got a fever and the only prescription is more cowbell!
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
2/27/2015 8:25 AM
Splat wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Splat wrote:If his highlight reels included more blocks and assists that would make him more compelling. So far, it seems every reel is the same with him taking on double teams. He's still a high pick, but if he's a one-way player he'll ultimately appeal mostly to easy to impress fans or GMs who draft for firepower alone. I actually have KAT just a fringe higher than Okafor in my mock. But the motto would be Id be happy with either--we really need a big man. RIP Crushalot😞
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dk7th
Posts: 30006 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/14/2012 Member: #4228 USA |
2/27/2015 8:30 AM
Stevo718 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Not sure what to make of that. A few of the shots were really impressive. Some of the other shots were with a low release point and would probably be blocked in the NBA. Then a few were awful point blank misses. you guys are right, i believe....his game won't translate to the nba. he is going to get his shot blocked a ton. plus his defense is probably going to be below-average unless he really devotes himself. i just don't see it working out for this kid, especially as a knick. i don't see him as a difference maker. looks like a solid bench player in the nba though. i haven't seen towns play yet but i plan to. admittedly sight unseen i think he would end up being the better choice. knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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fishmike
Posts: 53866 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
2/27/2015 8:38 AM
Dude would be one of the bigger centers in the NBA, and one of the longest players in the league with a 7'5+ wingpsan... but yea, who knows if he could score against... who again?
Who in the NBA is stopping OK4 for getting position in the post at 275 lbs, and with a 7'5 wingspan and Hakeem caliber footwork who's stopping that 8 foot turnaround jumper again? This guy is an exceptionally unique scoring talent. WAAAAAY ahead of anyone else in this draft "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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dk7th
Posts: 30006 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/14/2012 Member: #4228 USA |
2/27/2015 8:48 AM
fishmike wrote:Dude would be one of the bigger centers in the NBA, and one of the longest players in the league with a 7'5+ wingpsan... but yea, who knows if he could score against... who again? now i'm convinced okafor would be a regrettable pick for the knicks. knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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SupremeCommander
Posts: 34067 Alba Posts: 35 Joined: 4/28/2006 Member: #1127 |
2/27/2015 8:49 AM
Briggs -- I have been telling you -- there is no way in hell you take Towns over Okafor. None.
DLeethal wrote:
Lol Rick needs a safe space
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SupremeCommander
Posts: 34067 Alba Posts: 35 Joined: 4/28/2006 Member: #1127 |
2/27/2015 8:50 AM
nixluva wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Not sure what to make of that. A few of the shots were really impressive. Some of the other shots were with a low release point and would probably be blocked in the NBA. Then a few were awful point blank misses. he has uncommon polish for someone his age. DLeethal wrote:
Lol Rick needs a safe space
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SupremeCommander
Posts: 34067 Alba Posts: 35 Joined: 4/28/2006 Member: #1127 |
2/27/2015 8:51 AM
dk7th wrote:fishmike wrote:Dude would be one of the bigger centers in the NBA, and one of the longest players in the league with a 7'5+ wingpsan... but yea, who knows if he could score against... who again? if you would look past the numbers and at the game you would see that Okafor's limit is the sky DLeethal wrote:
Lol Rick needs a safe space
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SupremeCommander
Posts: 34067 Alba Posts: 35 Joined: 4/28/2006 Member: #1127 |
2/27/2015 8:51 AM
dk7th wrote:fishmike wrote:Dude would be one of the bigger centers in the NBA, and one of the longest players in the league with a 7'5+ wingpsan... but yea, who knows if he could score against... who again? if you would look past the numbers and at the game you would see that Okafor's limit is the sky DLeethal wrote:
Lol Rick needs a safe space
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